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1221  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: My consternation regarding the monitoring of Bitcoin transactions. on: March 13, 2023, 12:53:27 PM
I asked other cryptocurrency users if bitcoin transactions could be tracked. Some of them say yes, but they don't explain how it can be tracked, and from what I read, all unconfirmed bitcoin transactions are sent to the mem-pool before the miners take it and mine it, then it is confirmed and added to the blockchain, so how do we know where and how bitcoin transactions can be tracked?

You might want to read basic explanation from Chainalysis at https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/is-bitcoin-traceable/. Obviously everyone have different way to track Bitcoin.

What is the distinction between Dash and monero?

Dash is a cash grab by Evan Duffield, amplifying his insta-mine through rent-seeking masternodes.
Dash doesn't offer much in the way of privacy.
Monero on the other hand does, by hiding amounts and addresses, and by almost completely obscuring the transaction graph.

In addition, CoinJoin feature also exist on some Bitcoin wallet such as Sparrow and Samourai wallet.
1222  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin block size on: March 13, 2023, 12:22:59 PM
Completely your opinion. Price is high enough apparently; difficulty is in ATHs lots of months now. Also, running a node is cheap enough.
With U.S. Treasury Department Planning 30% increase in Tax on Crypto Mining Firms, will this not affect the cost of a node?  [NEWS] Biden budget proposes 30% tax on crypto mining electricity usage

1. You can run full node without perform any mining.
2. For mining pool, cost of running few nodes is negligible compared with cost of running other infrastructure or pay their worker.
3. Miner who perform mining by connecting to centralized pool don't need to run full node.
1223  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: How to be notified about the status of the mempool on: March 13, 2023, 12:05:51 PM
the mempool size they show is 33.06 MB and Johoe page shows 167 vMB.
For what it's worth: my Bitcoin Core shows 278 MB. Update: my other Bitcoin Core shows 249 MB.
I noticed Electrum has a hard time predicting the Target distance from the tip too (this started with the mempool spam).
I can't tell you why there's such a difference.

If you obtain number "278 MB" and "249 MB" from column "Memory usage", then you're comparing 2 different things. "Memory usage" refer to RAM usage to store deserialized unconfirmed TX while some website simply show total size of all unconfirmed transaction.

For other user, you can visit https://www.statoshi.info/d/000000020/memory-pool?orgId=1 to know the difference. Pay attention to chart "Mempool Transactions" and "Mempool Dynamic Memory Usage".
1224  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: On Ordinals: Where do you stand? on: March 13, 2023, 10:16:31 AM
--snip--

The spam problem has its roots in two aspects:

1) the perceived low cost of the Bitcoin blockchain with respect to Ethereum,
2) the condition of Bitcoin as the "OG" cryptocurrency.

Problem 2 cannot be solved, it's even one of Bitcoin's main network effect generators of financial purposes. We can try to attack problem 1, although there is no perfect solution. IMO the goal should be to offer first "better" alternatives than Ordinals which do not generate spam conditions, like a data sidechain and OP_RETURN improvements, and only if the problem persists, then go and tighten rules (and @franky1: I sorta agree with you partially in your last post about rule tightening, although still - it's not my preferred way to act in this case, as the devs may have had their reasons allowing big taproot scripts).

--snip--

Your solution to 1st problem will not work. Various OP_RETURN[1] and sidechain based NFT already exist long time ago, but has very small userbase. In addition, Casey Rodarmor also state NFT user strongly prefer content stored on-chain due to various reasons[2].

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as for those that want a bitcoin NFT where a file hash is showing a proof of transfer (thus no need of bitcoin being a meme library but just a timestamp proof of transfer of file hash NFT system. there is a simple way to do that using features over a decade old, which does not cause any mass bloat compared to average tx size
room for improvement for ordinals i guess? you're giving casey some ammunition there franky  say casey puts in a filehash for the subsequent transfers of the dead weight.  not that anyone would care they don't care about how it works just that it works, at least those bitcoin nft enthusiasts. they could care less how any of it works as long as they can see a picture of a monkey and other people agree they "own" it.

but they probably are smart enough to realize that their monkey can never "go away" unlike on ethereum where their monkey could possibly disappear oneday due to file hosting issues. they're that smart but no further.

Someone already attempt that by creating PR to support BitTorrent hash/magnet link[3]. But even if this PR is merged, i expect only small user would include BitTorrent magnet link instead since many NFT user prefer storing data on-chain[2].

[1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Colored_Coins
[2] https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2023-February/021413.html
[3] https://github.com/casey/ord/pull/1805
1225  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: BITCOIN CORE on: March 13, 2023, 09:11:36 AM
Dulu kalau tidak salah, saya pernah tes menggunakan prune node atau testnet (lupa yang mana), namun intinya filesize dari blockchain Bitcoin yang sudah terdownload itu lebih besar dari rata-rata milik user lain. Waktu itu penasaran sampai di hapus dulu data blockchain yang sudah ada dan memulai download dari awal, namun filesize nya lebih kurang hampir serupa dengan yang sebelumnya.
Selain prune dan sebagainya, faktor apa saja yang membuat perbedaan setiap user?. Padahal kan ketika didownload masih dalam source yang sama yaitu bitcoin core wallet?. Apakah faktor OS, Hardisk dan Ram juga berpengaruh?. karena seingat saya dulu, ketika saya pernah ganti PC ke yang lebih tinggi spesifikasinya, memang ada sedikit perbedaan beberapa MB di bitcoin core folder.

Beberapa faktor yang saya ketahui,
1. Jumlah orphan/stale block yang disimpan oleh Bitcoin Core. Jumlah tersebut dipengaruhi oleh durasi waktu operasional Bitcoin Core.
2. Menyalakan index opsional seperti txindex.
3. Ketika Bitcoin Core ditutup, isi mempool dari RAM dipindah ke HDD/SSD.
1226  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Mungkinkah untuk menambah Sub board lokal? on: March 11, 2023, 01:13:17 PM
Kalau dilihat dari jumlah request terbanyak sepertinya bisa dirangkum jadi tiga poin ini:

  • Mengubah nama child board Jual Beli menjadi Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia)
  • Menambah child board baru bernama Trading dan Spekulasi
  • Menambah child board baru bernama Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya

Menurut saya lebih baik jika nama child board konsisten, dimana semua menggunakan bahasa Indonesia atau bahasa Inggris.

Opini saya:
Secara umum tidak ada concern dari saya pribadi. Usulan board di atas hanya seperti versi lokal dari board internasional. Trading dan Spekulasi = Speculation. Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya = gabungan Economics dan Politics & Society. Terkait CB Jual Beli saya setuju untuk diganti nama agar lebih jelas bahwa CB ini bukan hanya untuk jual beli, tetapi bisa menjadi tempat untuk thread diskusi exchanger dan layanan lain seperti keadaan sekarang. Untuk usulan CB khusus Bitcoin dan Pemula saya rasa ini bisa ditampung di SF utama dulu untuk saat ini.

Ada input?

Untuk diskusi Bitcoin and pemula, saya tidak keberatan jika ditampung di SF utama.
1227  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: America's first nuclear-powered bitcoin mining farm on: March 11, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
$0.02/kWh is extremely cheap. And if they really can achieve 5.5EH/s by 2nd quarter, they'll have about 1.5% of total Bitcoin hashrate. But i hope they'll be careful about expanding their business quickly since in past year many similar company went bankrupt.

If Nuclear Energy is cheap, why aren't we seeing widespread use of it as compared to fossil fuel?

Probably because high initial cost and push back from some environmentalist and people who afraid Chernobyl disaster will happen again.
1228  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: P2P trader gets into LN need help. on: March 11, 2023, 12:49:17 PM
1) My understanding is that LN is better suited for smaller tx, not so much for larger ones. Would it be a problem to send and receive 0.1 BTC on LN? What can I do to push back against those restrictions?

Many LN wallet have default 0.16BTC capacity, so you should able to send/receive 0.1BTC. However you could face routing problem since there aren't many LN channel with such big capacity, which force both party (you and buyer/seller) to make new channel instead.

2) I believe if you are not running your own node, your LN sats are all custodial. And my living situation doesn't allow me to run my own node. Is there a safe way to use someone else's node for a lot of coin coming in and out? Like 0.3 BTC per day, and 2 BTC per week?

There are light non-custodial LN wallet out there such as Electrum. But you either have to,
1. Run your own watchtower, usually on VPS.
2. Use someone else watchtower, either free or paid.

As reminder, watchtower is needed to prevent cheating by broadcasting earlier state of LN channel on Bitcoin on-chain network.
1229  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory on: March 11, 2023, 12:36:46 PM
Every 210,000 blocks. If you propose to just create 50BTC or 6.25BTC per block until 21M cap is reached, there are some reasons against that, e.g. that the limit will be reached quicker and we will still have the issue with what to do when there is no reward at all, just over 100 years earlier than with satoshi's model.
no i proposed to create a fixed block reward forever. be that 50 or 6.25btc that's something that could be decided on. then miners wouldn't need to have new sources of income like the ordinals trash. i'm sure a fixed block reward has been discussed ad-nauseum in the past though but in light of this new nft thing, maybe it need to be revisited.

While i see appeal of fixed/lower-bound mining reward, i doubt it'll happen when it violate principle of Bitcoin[1].

--snip--

So my issue is BTC is fucked without addressing this in only 33 years.

So No NFT + Ordinals to make up for this issue in the next 33 years. Okay

Unlikely to happen since censorship violate principle of Bitcoin[1]. At most Bitcoiner only can push to make Ordinal transaction with data bigger than X bytes become non-standard.

And no larger blocks to generate more fees. Okay

I believe it's just matter of time before we'll see increase of maximum block size when people realize other scaling solution isn't enough.

and LN that reduces fees and makes btc a partial POW. Okay

What does "partial PoW" even mean?

No recovery of stale unclaimed coins to keep rewards higher. okay

Technically possible. But i doubt there'll be middle ground about how should "stale unclaimed" coins is re-distributed.

No stretching block time to six years a ½ ing then 8 years a ½ ing . okay

This would break expected behavior of bitcoin transaction/address which use block height as it's timelock, including LN.

[1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Principles_of_Bitcoin
1230  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: On Ordinals: Where do you stand? on: March 09, 2023, 12:11:00 PM
ok then pooya
seeing as many have tried to propose fixes for ordinal bloat and got no where
Have you got a example of this because if the proposed fixes bring more problems then fixes then I can see why they get rejected
If this had actually happened he would have filled bitcointalk about it instead of spreading misinformation with vague claims. As I pointed out above even if a PR is removed from BIPs repository it can not and will not be removed from the original repository of the person creating the PR.

I also barely found anything which could be count as "fix" towards Ordinal spam. Recently closed PR is either spam[1], duplicate[2], rejected modification[3] or self-closed without any response[4]. And it looks like GitHub doesn't let you delete PR, unless on very specific condition[5]. Even on bitcoin-dev mailing, there's only debate[6] rather than proposal.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1409
[2] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1426
[3] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1297
[4] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1419
[5] https://stackoverflow.com/a/18318431
[6] https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2023-February/021387.html
1231  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Look at this address and anwser this question on: March 08, 2023, 12:30:32 PM
19iAvuzfb8uH2SZLYcbb5wtbBZdn1o3vRm
And look at this tx:
d572c579f8de3c38b1dfab12928312fbe88f3d74a637d21a75b3f6d0510afe3a

there is a unknown sender called 1 of 1 multisig, ‎0.00010000 BTC

what shit is that?




It's old format address called P2MS[1]. If you see unknown, that means your wallet or block explorer missing few feature since you should see address such as "m-67202395617dc6a0a7e4eccba624f331".

[1] https://learnmeabitcoin.com/technical/p2ms
1232  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: worried about downloading blockchain... on: March 08, 2023, 12:21:57 PM
Ok, I understand your point of view that is correct with the performacne. But I still think that it would be a good idea, at least if it is implemented correctly.
The encryption on HDD would always be optional, so that the user can decide whether to encrypt or not.
There should then be a switch in the settings.

In principle, it would be an optional additional function, which is even switched off via dafault.
The update would therefore not change anything for those who do not switch it on. You could even implement these things by plugIn.
Is there a plugIn API for the core?

Nothing would change the protocol. So it would be a simple change that would contain very few risk.

I agree it's good idea and would be nice if such feature is available. But looking at few old discussion[1-2], Bitcoin user/Bitcoin Core contributor had similar thought with mine. As for plugin, AFAIK such feature/API isn't exist.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/46
[2] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9844
1233  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: On Ordinals: Where do you stand? on: March 08, 2023, 11:18:24 AM
Actually anyone can do it (create new BIP), assuming they follow the guideline and receive some support or being very persistent. Some BIP 10x are result of being persistent. But i said "they" because improvement/change sometimes written by same person. For example BIP 173 (about Bech32) and BIP 350 (about Bech32m) have same primary author.

not everyone can "just create a bip"
first you have to pass a few tests of core demands for core to even acknowledge the bip as acceptable just to be listed

many bips get removed/revoked/not acknowledged and users banned because bips didnt follow the core roadmap

secondly even if you get your bip listed in the core github list of possible bips. this does not mean core will automatically commit to code then merge it into a release candidate. especially if the proposal opposes the core roadmap


as for the bech32 and bech32m. they are not simple edits of one proposal being persistant..
bech32 was segwit using witness version0 which is limited to certain segwit functions of opcodes,, and bech32m is for a different level of tx formats of witness v1 opcodes. for things like descriptors of taproot and such

but yes both segwit and taproot stuff was wrote by Pieter Wuille(and luke JR help) and yes both segwit and taproot ended up getting pushed into code with activated rules due to his insider circle of devs
and yes both segwit and taproot got activated without majority node readiness prior to activation and where both segwit and taproot were activated without finishing the code to make both formats secure and fully functional for their purpose/promise

1. What do you mean by pass few tests? Guideline on BIP 1/2? Something else?
2. I don't know about user got banned. But do you mean "Status: Rejected" or "Status: Withdrawn" when you mention said "many bips get removed/revoked/not acknowledged"?
3. Yes, it's true not all BIP will be implemented on Bitcoin Core.
4. I mention Bech32/Bech32m only as example of same primary author. For example of listed BIP due to persistence, BIP 100 to 109 should be better example.
1234  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: worried about downloading blockchain... on: March 08, 2023, 09:46:25 AM
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One could in a new core version,
Simply encrypted the blockchain with AES.
The own private key for the wallet would also be suitable as an AES key.
Then no government of the world could decipher its blockchain.

Apart from that, everyone who is afraid can simply encrypt their hard drive.


Does upcoming Bitcoin Core have such feature? Could you point link to discussion or pull request?

Not that I know of.
But I would welcome it if someone submits such a proposal and he is discussed.

I see. But it's hard to imagine such proposal would be accepted when it reduce performance (especially on HDD) and increase maintenance burden when they could just suggest user to use encrypted provided by OS or certain software.

One could in a new core version,
Simply encrypted the blockchain with AES.
The own private key for the wallet would also be suitable as an AES key.
Then no government of the world could decipher its blockchain.

Apart from that, everyone who is afraid can simply encrypt their hard drive.

Encrypt the blockchain data on your hard drive, how would other nodes read your encrypted data? If it's accessible for other nodes, it will be accessible to everyone, you can't hide/ lock the data if you want to maintain a node.

The data would be decrypted by full node software before it's being used for any purpose. So in practice other node doesn't even know your node store blockchain data in encrypted manner.

Yes, any government (especially authoritarian ones) could use any kind of excuse to justify their action. Although if they're not stupid, they should realize they only waste their resource since user can use VPN/Tor or even host it elsewhere.
OK, then the State-Attackers should find easier targets who are publicly known to run full nodes = Miners and Mining Pools.

Users above us already mention pool usually run on least hostile country while most miner don't run full node.
1235  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Transaction Malleability on: March 07, 2023, 01:08:12 PM
Back then, wallet software in general was not very good at handling double spends. This would result in issues such as wallets thinking they had access to more coins than they actually did, wallets continuously displaying and trying to rebroadcast conflicts that are no longer valid, and wallets trying to spend coins that no longer exist.

Where can i find info about this ? From a google search i didn't find anything . Could anyone provide me any links to dig further ?

Some info/discussion can be found on GitHub page of each wallet. Few example,
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1898
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3816
https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/1543

I also expect you can find few discussion about it on this forum using search tool such as https://ninjastic.space/search.
1236  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: On Ordinals: Where do you stand? on: March 07, 2023, 10:13:24 AM
They definitely didn't consider bloat when considering removal of script limit, maybe they didn't consider existence of OP_PUSH.
so that means they need to go back to the drawing board and reconsider things a bit? or what?

They need to create new BIP which make size of taproot script or OP_PUSH data bigger than X bytes become non-standard.

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P.S. Don't forget to mention source statement you mentioned,
i wouldn't want to give it any publicity. let's hide it under the covers since it is quite an embarassment to bitcoin that such a thing could be misused to put pictures of monkeys and naked women on the blockchain... Shocked there's a time and place for those things maybe but on Bitcoin? seriously?

Validation of Taproot Scripts as it stands right now is garbage.

I see. Although i'd suggest you to mention the BIP number (BIP 342 in this case) to prevent plagiarism accusation. And despite flaw you mentioned, i'd argue in general Taproot in general is good improvement towards Bitcoin.


now even core devs (the sole reference client) is closing off its gates with new moderation policy and contributor ranking systems. heck even the top half dozen devs do not propose code and ask the rest to review and "ack" it. instead there are many instances they just self merge their own code. unreviewed
i wonder what craig wright thinks about all of this. he's probably laughing.

That person can't even code "Hello World" on C++.

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normal people did not need complex scripts and other cludge.
at least craig wright started things out with bsv to be the original bitcoin without adding all this new crap onto it. i could agree with that vision unfortunately bsv failed to hold true to it since they became something way different than the original bitcoin.

Do you know BSV facilitate storing arytbniary data where 98% of BSV TX used to store weather data[1]? Do you also know BSV has feature to steal BSV under feature called "DARA"[2-3]?

[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/98-bsv-transactions-used-writing-223000472.html
[2] https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/releases/tag/v1.0.13
[3] https://blog.bitmex.com/bitcoin-sv-hardfork-significant-security-risks/
1237  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: On Ordinals: Where do you stand? on: March 06, 2023, 10:51:19 AM
so they explained it here:

Script size limit The maximum script size of 10000 bytes does not apply. Their size is only implicitly bounded by the block weight limit.

but then as rationale for the above statement they say this:

Why is a limit on script size no longer needed? Since there is no scriptCode directly included in the signature hash (only indirectly through a precomputable tapleaf hash), the CPU time spent on a signature check is no longer proportional to the size of the script being executed.

can anyone make any sense of that explanation. franky? anyone? even though i don't understand what they're talking about it seems like they are basing their rationale on cpu time spent on a signature check and not even considering the bloat that it would add to the blockchain.  Shocked equals bad move on their part...

They definitely didn't consider bloat when considering removal of script limit, maybe they didn't consider existence of OP_PUSH. But IIRC 1000 bytes limit was imposed to reduce quadratic verification/hashing time problem (fixed with SegWit) and longer time to verify a transaction. But quadratic problem no longer exist and Taproot improve verification time (through Schnorr signatures, batch validation, and signature hash), so i guess there's no reason to impose the limit anymore from perspective of verification time.

P.S. Don't forget to mention source statement you mentioned, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0342.mediawiki.
1238  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do you know which Bitcoin wallets provides complete anonymity & privacy? on: March 03, 2023, 11:53:25 AM
You need to read about this thread to know if wasabi wallet is 100% privacy oriented or not The default Wasabi Wallet coordinator will start censoring "illegal" UTXOs

Also read their official statement at https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-blacklisting-update/.

I don't think it's enough to use the coinjoin feature to stay anonymous, you still need to use a mixer and follow a lot steps to achieve it.

Why do you think so? Even mixer cannot guarantee anonymity, see Breaking Mixing Services.

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High level of anonymity and privacy.
Is it true with Electrum wallet?

By default, no. Electrum wallet simply send list of address on your wallet to few random Electrum server.
1239  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Your Ultimate Guide to Bitcoin: From Basics to Adoption on: March 01, 2023, 10:42:22 AM
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1240  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory on: February 28, 2023, 12:34:50 PM
(1) Nobody uses Ordinals to store actual data, only pictures that they mainly hope to sell the rights to for some sweet cash
wrong. people also store text data on the blockchain using ordinals. at the moment, most of it appears to be readable and not encrypted but do expect that to change. also, you can't know that someone is not using some form of steganography in their images.

Actually you can store any data with Ordinals. Even the example of an inscriptions use plain text[4].

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I'm not sure what you find so funny about this. Again, you are comparing a new NFT hype thing to the industry standard of data storage and archiving and claiming that the former is better and easier than the latter. It makes no sense. This sounds a bit more funny than my realistic (pessimistic?) statements.
i didn't say it was better for all forms of data storage. obviously if you have gigabyte sized things to back up then bitcoin might be a bit pricey for that. but if you only need to store a few hundred kilobytes from time to time and that data does not need to change then, well, there's bitcoin.

Even for few hundred kilobytes it could be pricey. For example, with 200 KB data (50 vKB/50000 vB due to witness discount) and 1 sat/vB, you'll need to pay at least 50K satoshi (about $11.72). For comparison Microsoft 365 offer 100GB storage only for $19.99/year[1] and Tutanota (email provider) offer 1GB storage for 12 EUR/year[2]. And if it's not personal data (e.g. your phone number), you can even upload it to Internet Archive for free[3].

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/onedrive/compare-onedrive-plans
[2] https://tutanota.com/pricing
[3] https://help.archive.org/help/uploading-a-basic-guide/
[4] https://docs.ordinals.com/inscriptions.html
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