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721  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Stories on Bitcoin's Value on: December 03, 2023, 10:38:28 AM
A warning to other reader, OP recycle his discussion from old thread to this thread. Here are short snippet from his other thread,

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474861.0

Finally, crypto units cannot be drunk, eaten, built into products, worn as jewelry, viewed as a picture or movie, or listened to as music. In short, they do not have an intrinsic value that creates a certain amount of benefit through the fulfillment of human needs, for this benefit to serve as a reference for the value of these units.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5472154.0

Let's therefore assume that those 100 units are 100 apples. Apples can fulfill the purpose of nutrion. By knowing that purpose, you can evaluate whether it is worth giving your bike for those 100 units. The same is true for other products that have historically been money - livestock, grain, wine, fur, metals, etc. All these products were able to fulfill purposes beyond serving as a medium of exchange. That was then used for estimating how many other products to give for them.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467415.0

For example. By wheat having a nutritional purpose, speculators approximately know how valuable it is to consumers and whether prices are cheap or expensive. Similarly, by fiat currencies having the purpose of paying debt to the banks and by debtors facing foreclosures in case of default, speculators know these currencies are worth to debtors somewhere in the range of pledged collaterals. Meaning, they will not trade houses for a specific number of currency units if they see that banks take cars as collateral when issuing that number of units.

But since OP bother rewrite his points, moderator couldn't just delete/lock the duplicated threads.
722  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: X.com (Twitter) is approving phishing website ads, beware on: December 03, 2023, 10:20:50 AM
As other users mentioned, it's nothing new. Although recently X also caught showing anti-semitism ads[1] and attempt to disguise ads as regular ads[2] which makes it more concerning.

This is not limited to only X. It is rampant on other social media platforms as well. There is nothing that the owners can do.

I disagree, with manual check performed by human many of such ads could be caught before it's shown to X users.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213836636/advertiser-exodus-grows-as-elon-musks-x-struggles-to-calm-concerns-over-antisemi
[2] https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/08/x-formerly-twitter-caught-running-unlabeled-ads-in-users-following-feeds/
723  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How mixers work? ELI5 and other questions on: December 03, 2023, 10:16:55 AM
2. The article also mentions that some exchanges might refuse to receive 'dirty' BTC. How they define and later find out if particular BTC is 'dirty'? I mean what makes BTC 'dirty' or 'clean'?

There is no clear definition or method how they (or third party they use) to definte whether certain BTC is "dirty" or not. At best you get rough example such as "stolen, from dark web, mixer, etc.".

3. If you bought your BTC from well know CEX, should you be concerned?

Assuming that CEX is legally registered, no.

Is there a way to check for 'dirtiness'?

There are several services which check "dirtiness" of an address. But you have to trust them to provide truthful result and take note each exchange have different way to check "dirtiness".

I am reading an article about mixers and how they work. While reading came up with these questions:

1. How mixer works in terms of blockchain and transactions? Is it like you sending your own BTC to address of the mixer and the same is done by other people, and they just forward your BTC to another address of your choice?
The simple answer is here-
Bitcoin mixers, also known as tumblers, are services that receive cryptocurrencies from users, pool them together, and then send the amounts to their corresponding recipient addresses. This is an effort to obfuscate the transaction trail.


How do you obtain that image? When people use mixer, usually the destination/receiver is their own cryptocurrency address.
724  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: How to buy a nano ledger s plus case anonymously? on: December 03, 2023, 09:58:23 AM
It wouldn't make sense to buy a 3d printer to make a case for it because buying the case from overpriced case from ledger is over 40 dollars only.  I wouldn't have any use of a 3d printer.

In that case, my suggestion isn't viable option for you.

Can you show examples of a case that can be created with a 3d printer?  I didn't even know a 3d printer can make a phone case.

Few random example which i found from google search,
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5631986
https://www.printables.com/model/290683-ledger-nano-s-case
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/ledger-sleeve-nano-s-plus

I just checked to look at what a 3d printer can make.  But what else you need to spend on besides the 3d printer?  Ink... but what else?

I don't know since i don't own 3d printer.
725  Other / Meta / Re: Switching to Presearch search engine for bitcointalk? on: December 03, 2023, 09:49:27 AM
Wouldn't it make sense? https://www.presearch.io/ can't be worst than the current engine...
The forum has its own native search engine and has not proven to be dormant neither is it faulty. The forum cannot therefore switch to a third party serach engine when it is self-sufficient on its very own.

I'd say 90 seconds delay between search could be considered as faulty.

I consider OP a good contribution but targeted at the wrong audience. I assume OP to be advocating for the external search engine project but lacks the capacity to convince, with facts, why his post should be adopted.

That's kind view. I bet some people see OP as shill when OP doesn't acknowledge weakness of presearch.
726  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Which Linux distribution would you use now? on: December 03, 2023, 09:33:37 AM
Aside from security, you might face unexpected behavior after long time it receive last update. For example,
  • Repository or website which host software for your OS no longer exist.
  • Some application cannot use internet connection properly due to certificate problem.
Yes, official repos may go down after some time. But like in case of Centos 6 there are some archive or even 3rd party repos you can continue using.

Fair point. Although using archive is less convenient (which isn't problem for Linux geek/administrator) while you need to trust that 3rd party repos.

I'm mostly using systems with no GUI but I'm yet to see an OS which can't connect to the internet because it's too old. Until recently I was running a Windows 2008R2 machine which was complaining all the time and the browser stopped updating but you could connect anyway.

Perhaps,
1. OS you used isn't that old.
2. There's background application which regularly obtain new trusted certificate.
3. The browser remain up to date even though it's on old OS.

Quote from: ETFbitcoin
What exactly do you mean by rock solid? Rarely crash?
Yeah, that, and also security-wise. Firewall keeps working, kernel has no critical vulnerabilities. Ar least they weren't exploited. Of course, I wouldn't run something connected with finance, payment processing, health, military or some other sensitive data on such a machine.

No critical vulnerabilities is impossible, although no hacker target that server sounds plausible.
727  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 03, 2023, 09:27:29 AM
On bright hide, i hope mixer will make new innovation where they offer non-custodial privacy-enchanting service. Or maybe they should switch business where they fork Wasabi Wallet and run their own WabiSabi coordinator without any blacklist.

Spot on! Talk about killing two birds with one stone.

Why stop at Wasabi though? A Whirlpool coordinator would also be cool, assuming such a thing can be extensible.

I mentioned that since AFAIK only Wasabi Wallet support WabiSabi coordinator. As for Whirlpool, user have choice between Samourai and Sparrow wallet. Although in practice, running either would be nice.
728  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] [banned mixer] | Best Bitcoin Mixer | Extra Layer of Privacy by XMR Bridge on: December 02, 2023, 11:26:34 AM
This service might survive if it completely switches from being called a mixer to an exchanger that converts your BTC to XMR.

It's interesting idea. Although looking at https://kycnot.me/search?q=&type=exchange&xmr=on&btc=on there are already several no-KYC exchange which support both BTC and XMR. In addition, AFAIK one of them currently run signature campaign and another one used to run same thing.
729  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: How to buy a nano ledger s plus case anonymously? on: December 02, 2023, 11:13:02 AM
I did quick google search and found out some people share design/file for Ledger Nano S case which can be created with printer 3D. If you don't mind people know that you own 3D printer and spend several hundred dollars for it, you can create/print your own case at home.

Okay so earphone cases are not that good because it can't stand the pressure.  But would it protect the nano ledger s plus though?
It depends on what kind of protection is needed for the device in question [you might want to mention that first].

I think OP refer to this product https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-case/ledger-nano-s-plus-case.
730  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software on: December 02, 2023, 11:01:51 AM
Reputation for innovation
Wasabi Wallet was awarded a share of Bitcointalk's longstanding coinjoin development bounty, along with JoinMarket:

Congratulations to the Wasabi and JoinMarket developers! JoinMarket pioneered a lot of CoinJoin science (and BTW, belcher wrote an excellent & comprehensive wiki article on privacy), while Wasabi is the first wallet that implements CoinJoin in both a highly-usable and sound way. As both a signer and a donor to the CoinJoin bounty fund, I'm thrilled that these two pieces of software exist!

Here are additional context about the bounty for other readers,
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg2983911#msg2983911.
2. It's awarded when only Wasabi Wallet version 1 exist, before controversy of Wasabi Wallet/zkSNACKs exist.
731  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Which Linux distribution would you use now? on: December 02, 2023, 10:51:54 AM
--snip--
I'm not sure why everyone is so obsessed with updates. Many would say it's not safe to keep using OS without getting regular updates,

Aside from security, you might face unexpected behavior after long time it receive last update. For example,
  • Repository or website which host software for your OS no longer exist.
  • Some application cannot use internet connection properly due to certificate problem.

but I've seen lots of machines running something ancient like Centos 5 for example and yet they're rock solid. Don't fix it if ain't broken they say.

What exactly do you mean by rock solid? Rarely crash?

For my Windows computer I was using Windows 7 until the very last day and I hope to do the same with Windows 10.

Talking about Windows, are you aware of LTSC version which has less bloat and longer support?
732  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: how to access from phrases only. on: December 02, 2023, 10:42:43 AM
Does that paper include any specific word/term? That word/term might refer to specific software or method used to generate that paper.

Hello

I have only a old paper phrase. 10 years ago.
Any assistance would be great. completely lost on how do access this.
Please provide a sample.
Of course, replace every character or word but keep the formatting correct like the number of characters and symbols.

Alternatively, you could find similar image from Google image search result and show it to us.
733  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Where the mixers will promote their projects? on: December 02, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
maybe if someone know about decentralized place, feel free to suggest and it might help the mixers. Grin

There are few decentralized place such as Nostr. Although i've no idea how mixers should promote their service on such place while remain on-topic on place they visit.

Google is not banning mixers and platforms that review and advertise mixers so a user will just have to type the word mixer, unless Google filters out mixer keywords and platforms that advertise and promote mixers, you can still find them here in the mainnet not only on the darknet and other online communities discuss and promote mixers like Reddit.

It wouldn't be fun job for those who tasked to perform SEO, they'll have to compete with other and fake mixers for top search result while remain looking convincing.

734  Economy / Reputation / Re: Merit spamming [report] on: December 02, 2023, 10:11:18 AM
Good eye, OP but I don't know if you noticed but mods, DT members, and others don't really take any action against merit abusers and haven't for a while now.  Theymos basically doesn't want much tagging for that sort of thing, even though members are still free to do so.

That's true, but it's still worth to share his finding. Some member (including merit source) might add these members to ignore list.
735  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Segala tentang Mixer akan diban Bitcointalk on: December 02, 2023, 09:57:51 AM
  • Mixin Safe dengan total 5 peserta

Mixin Safe tidak menawarkan jasa mixer. Mereka menawarkan jasa untuk menyimpan Bitcoin dengan klaim aman dan desentralisasi.

  • Unijoin dengan total 25 peserta (masih debatable karena unijoin katanya based on coinjoin

Sepengetahuan saya, Unijoin bersifat custodial sehingga mereka seharusnya juga terdampak perubahan dari theymos.

  • Mixero dengan total 12 peserta (masih debatable karena mixero kalau tidak salah karena ada kaitannya dengan Monero

Mixero mempromosikan jasa mereka sebagai mixer. Fitur yang berhubungan Monero adalah salah satu metode mixing yang ditawarkan oleh Mixero.
736  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 02, 2023, 09:37:28 AM
On bright hide, i hope mixer will make new innovation where they offer non-custodial privacy-enchanting service. Or maybe they should switch business where they fork Wasabi Wallet and run their own WabiSabi coordinator without any blacklist.

If you are afraid US government might shut down Bitcointalk, move to servers where US has no jurisdiction, if you are concerned about your personal safety, officially "resign" as forum admin, and hand it over to an anonymous entity.

Aside from server, theymos probably also need to stop U.S. based service. Currently Bitcointalk depends on CloudFlare (AFAIK they based on U.S.) to prevent DDoS and other form of attack, so such option would be tall order.

Does using or acting as an escrow count as mixing?

Why?/Why not?

I would say no, especially when it doesn't even break transaction link.

  • Without escrow.

Code:
Sender address -> Receiver address

  • With escrow.

Code:
Sender address -> Escrow address -> Receiver address

If any of these address is known publicly, it should be to track rest of them.
737  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin Core IBD slow on: December 02, 2023, 09:09:14 AM
Edit: be careful with default linux swap behavior which perform some swap even though there are some free/unused RAM capacity.

I am sorry I don't follow you on this. You mean perhaps I should add less than 7000 and go for 6000 for example?

I was referring to swappiness value (each distro probably have different default value) which affect swap behavior. That means i suggest you to check that value and optionally reduce it. Here's an example guide, https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-change-the-swappiness-value-in-linux/.
738  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Need advice on building a secure Bitcoin Node at motherboard foundation level on: December 02, 2023, 09:03:26 AM
Lastly, I am thinking a possible work around to the problem with not having all the apps I need in a RISC-V format could possibly be resolved by using Docker and Portainer. From the little I know about Docker the apps are containerized so they are capable of running on any CPU platform. I would have to research this Docker option some more to confirm if it will actually work or not on a RISC-V board.  Thanks again for correcting my mistake.

I did quick research and surprised that Docker actually can run OS/image which use different CPU architecture. Anyway, have you consider software called Box64? Few news report it can run some x86-64 software/game on RISC-V device with relative good performance[1-2].

[1] https://riscv.org/news/2023/08/new-emulator-lets-some-x86-64-games-run-on-risc-v-dev-board/
[2] https://hackaday.com/2023/03/12/efficient-x86_64-emulation-with-box86/
739  Other / Meta / Re: Switching to Presearch search engine for bitcointalk? on: December 02, 2023, 08:57:31 AM
Why left value on the table for Someone else, when it's so effortless... This Someone else may use all those fractions of cents against your best interests...

I don't get this part of your statement. Someone else earning less than a cent per day doesn't bother me.

and to increase your "low" share, just stake more Wink.

Why should we bother doing that when we usually only want fast and good search result? And if price of PRE coin going lower in future, we'll end with financial loss.
740  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: bitcoinjs-lib without node.js on: December 02, 2023, 08:48:31 AM
ETFbitcoin, what did you exactly put in the first field of the tx, labeled
 Address, WIF key, Redeem Script or Transaction ID:, an address, a script, a TxID or a key?  I enter my address and itīs not accepted, and my goal is to use my address, if possible.

Actually i didn't enter any value on first field. I haven't personally test it, but you should copy unsigned TX which created by https://coinb.in/#newTransaction and visit https://coinb.in/#sign to sign it with your private key.
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