This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?  Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake. It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this? You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble. Do you need help? It is self-evident, no? Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it. Why can't you? Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light. Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things. The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened. Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult. ''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know? |
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Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.
There has never been a single fact that proves any of the thousands of gods, or other mythical creatures. And there has never been a single fact that disproves god or gods or vampires or other mythical creatures. The reality is we really don’t know what real is. Movies like matrix can not be proven to be true or false. Which simply means any info we get could be true or not true. Since the only fact I know is I don’t know anything for sure I simply chose to believe in certain things. And if I am wrong oh well. Yes there has. For the god of the bible there are tons of facts that disprove him. For instance, the age of the earth or the universe are wrong in the bible. Also many other scientific errors regarding biology. Choosing to believe randomly in stuff is not a good way to live your life. |
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God concept is not testable. Science cannot be used to prove or disprove God's existence. Full stop.
Batty knows this, but he is a troll. He will continue this thread forever. :/ I just want him to admit he cannot prove there is only 1 god and not multiple. |
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You're hallucinating or lying if you claim there's observable and measurable proof of a globe that can be repeated. The gyroscope is never observed to move and sextant works every time the horizon is sighted.
Show us your measurements or stop lying, you haven't measured shit, you just believe what you are told which is ironic because that's what you think we do. Knucklehead.. The sextant measures the angular size of the Sun at 32 minutes, a documented measurement repeated countless times. Watching a gyroscope remain motionless is more of an observation than a measurement. That makes you the liar caught in a lie screaming that gyroscopes and a tool used for thousands of years to navigate don't work. Look at all the laughable claims you have to stand behind just because you're a faggot who swallows buckets of NASA ejaculate. Fisheye lens, boats over the curve, astronauts hanging from wires, landing a man on the Moon in cardboard box, etc..the list of fake and gay things you claim are real just goes on and on. Who is the sextant, a person? How do you know it has been documented? How do you know it's not wrong? How many times have you done it yourself? We have countless of measurements of the earth's size. ''Earth rotates too slowly to be detected by a cheap mechanical gyroscope.'' ''gyroscopes on board of planes DO show the rotation of the Earth - non-mechanical gyroscopes DO show the rotation of the Earth - the mechanical gyroscopes always suffer from friction, because of which they cannot follow very slow changes in orientation (especially the cheaper ones); that is not "explaining it away", it is simple physics. Besides there is additional evidence for the rotation of the earth. Just to name a few: - doppler shift of stars - abberation of starlight - coriolis forces on projectiles, weather systems and ocean currents - Foucault's pendulum'' And again, you are a liar and an idiot. |
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I can't believe this is still a topic in my experience thanks to vaccines I was able to avoid all these nasty diseases when I was still a kid
People like to believe all sort of things to make themselves feel important. They think the ''government'' controls everything, sometimes they forget government is just people like you and me. |
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The question remains where do you get the objective morality from. ... Morality changes over time, whether you like it or not. ... Hmm, I think you are trolling me. I see it, I am not sure why you don't. Is it moral today to... You see it because you have assumed it. You assume morality is subjective thus you interpret variations in human behavior as spontaneous meaningless variations of that subjectivity rather than an error filled progression towards objective truth. We could discuss the morality of past times and criminal codes but you have left yourself no grounds to have such a discussion. You deny the existence of the very objective standard that we would need to judge those times. I have tried to explain the toxicity of your view. I have highlighted how any philosophy that does not accept value as eternal and objective can lead only to ruin. At the very best it takes us to an utter tyranny of the opinion makers over all others. In all probability it takes us somewhere far worse then that. You cannot see the danger and I appear to lack the eloquence or skill to open your eyes to the reality around you. Thus our conversation reaches its natural conclusion. Jesus what a load of horseshit and meaningless sentences. The point is easy to understand, the bible had immoral codes which means god doesn't exist or he is an idiot. It's a fairly simple argument and you can't get away with it. The bible is a simple simple book, the ''teachings'' in the bible are often extremely wrong, horrible or immoral, sometimes they are fine. Again, all of this proves that god doesn't exist. |
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You're hallucinating or lying if you claim there's observable and measurable proof of a globe that can be repeated. The gyroscope is never observed to move and sextant works every time the horizon is sighted.
Show us your measurements or stop lying, you haven't measured shit, you just believe what you are told which is ironic because that's what you think we do. Knucklehead.. |
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^^^ @vod,
1. The horizon line would be hidden by curved earth and I couldn't measure fuck all on a sphere with a sextant.
2. The gyroscope remains stationary in spite of your claim that it rotates 360 degrees in 24 hours.
Fuck you and your spinning sphere hallucination that can't be directly measured or observed!
1. You haven't measured anything, though. 2. You can see the earth moving. |
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 Monkeys begatting men on the surface of a sphere spinning a thousand miles an hour in a vacuum. Monkeys begatting men on the surface of a sphere spinning a thousand miles an hour in a vacuum. Monkeys begatting men on the surface of a sphere spinning a thousand miles an hour in a vacuum. Monkeys thinking the earth is everything surrounded by an invisible huge dome that has projections of stars and planets to fool us with no gravity. |
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Why do you think that I understand God? That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe. He is not understandable. Why do you think that God isn't a God, since creating all the stuff of the universe shows that He is? ''That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe.'' How do you know it's on of this traits if you don't know what god is? Why do you think god has to be 1 entity and not multiple? You cannot answer the question, there is no way to know if it was just one or many that created the universe which debunks your argument. Not knowing what God is, is one of the traits of people, that show that God is God. One of the rules of the forum is, that before you post in a thread, read through the thread. Of course, if the moderators decided to take everyone before a jury to see if he/she obeyed this rule all the time, people would be gone, and the forum would shut down. You are certainly most welcome to read through this thread to get the answers to your questions, which are answered in the thread. You have duplicated your questions many times, thereby, at least, coming close to breaking another rule of the forum... duplicate posts. Nah, your argument is bad. We already discussed this many times, we always end up with you unable to answer why there has to be just 1 god as a creator of the universe and not multiple beings. Your argument does not rule the possibility of multiple beings as creators of the universe. Even if we accept all your premises, we end up with ''something or someone/s'' must have created the universe and that something or someone/s have to be more ''complex'' than the universe. |
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There's no cult here you misguided half-witted sack of watery stool, only the individual and truth through direct measurement and observation. The globe followers are a group suffering form mass hallucination and are a lot further down the road to insanity than any so-called cult group. Their delusional mental state can be divided into two categories: I don't understand why batty and baddy don't get along - you are both literally in the same cult. :/ Cult vs Proof. Brainwashed join cults - the rest of us ask for proof. And that's how you know their conspiracies are just that, conspiracies. That's why science can come up with scientific theories that are accepted globally. Once we have enough evidence and enough experiments, we can create a scientific theory. They can't, they believe in all sort of conspiracies, debunking each other and contradicting each other. Badecker believes the earth is not flat but does believe in god. Notbatman also believes in god but thinks the earth is flat. |
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You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?
Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell. Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple? Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe. ''think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff'' So why do you keep claiming you do and you know it's a god? Why do you think that I understand God? That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe. He is not understandable. Why do you think that God isn't a God, since creating all the stuff of the universe shows that He is? ''That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe.'' How do you know it's on of this traits if you don't know what god is? Why do you think god has to be 1 entity and not multiple? You cannot answer the question, there is no way to know if it was just one or many that created the universe which debunks your argument. |
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You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?
Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell. Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple? Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe. ''think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff'' So why do you keep claiming you do and you know it's a god? |
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Everyone?
What is your great purpose?
The purpose i have choosed is to help homeless people in my place in my own little ways (its either giving food to them or making them smile) Seriously, our purpose is to provide genetic diversity to our species.
ahmm, how about those who doesn't have capabilities to contribute? Some of us make significant contributions to arts, science or engineering while others are here to do exactly what you suggested, pass their genes to the next generation.
I agree on this one BTW, the idea (feeling) of 'God' changes over time. The more you know about how the world works the less 'God' ideas you need to fill the gaps in your knowledge.
Still can't agree with this one  , the more humans discovers something just leads to another looping questions or shall I say a new discoveries would leads us to new mysteries Eventually, you reach a point where the idea of God becomes ridiculous
Go back to me when we die and you have proved it. It's true, the more science discovers, the more ridiculous religions look. We got rid of witches and possessions a long time ago, science proved those things were not real, just like the earth wasn't flat and other ridiculous things that are said in the bible. |
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The Earth looks flat, I can see a flat horizon that rises to eye level just as it should do on a plane and, there's nothing in my daily experience that indicates otherwise. To claim I'm somehow going against common sense because I don't believe a word the flying circus clowns at nasa tell me is the opposite of true. It's only common sense sense to believe blood sucking liars have the hosts best interests in mind, right nutildah? Only an idiot would think otherwise right? What kind of fucking retard doesn't accept being lied to and having their blood sucked? What kind of sick bastard would let a bloodsucker go without blood, without giving up his own blood?  ''The Earth looks flat'' Almost nothing is flat though. I can use a telescope and see stars and other planets, common sense dictates that this planet should also be spherical, why would I go against common sense and observations? |
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'' Now if we can relate it to the issue of god's existence and the issue of life's essence is it just a common sense to think that there is a being who created everything makes sense?'' Not necessarily common sense but it's definitely not crazy to think some being could have created us. I personally never rejected that possibility, however, why does it have to be your particular god and not the others? Why any god at all? Why not super intelligent aliens, etc etc.
Well, even I am a Christian, I don't agree to everything that our priests says. I am now talking about the god that Einstein believes in pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza. Which actually makes since. Sources : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinozism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_EinsteinTho, since I am a Christian i consider this god as the god i believes in I don't care what Einstein believed in. To a certain degree we all believe in all of sorts of ideas even though we can't prove them. They are just ideas, though, can't be proven, at least not now, you have to live in the real world, you can't live your life based on ideas. While there are all kinds of things that CAN'T be proven, there are some that can be, and there are some that leave one with a sense of pain even though proving them is not particularly easy. The Bible and Christianity makes sense. A lot of things make sense but are not true. |
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'' Now if we can relate it to the issue of god's existence and the issue of life's essence is it just a common sense to think that there is a being who created everything makes sense?'' Not necessarily common sense but it's definitely not crazy to think some being could have created us. I personally never rejected that possibility, however, why does it have to be your particular god and not the others? Why any god at all? Why not super intelligent aliens, etc etc.
Well, even I am a Christian, I don't agree to everything that our priests says. I am now talking about the god that Einstein believes in pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza. Which actually makes since. Sources : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinozism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_EinsteinTho, since I am a Christian i consider this god as the god i believes in I don't care what Einstein believed in. To a certain degree we all believe in all of sorts of ideas even though we can't prove them. They are just ideas, though, can't be proven, at least not now, you have to live in the real world, you can't live your life based on ideas. |
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 @badecker, Did you know that you're the only other person I've seen that understands the difference between "angular size" and "apparent size"? It's really a shame you're batting for the wrong team here and place the center of the great circle in a globe and not at the horizon as seen by the human eye. I keep cringing every time I hear a flat earther refer to apparent visual size as "angular size". Understanding that "angular size" is a fixed value whose great circle is based on a planar horizon as seen by the human eye is paramount. The mental gymnastic involved with making this value (that can be measured directly with a sextant) work by replacing the human eye with a globe earth is actually outstanding. I want to be very clear here because once you understand how the constant value of "angular size" works, it becomes obvious what absolutely undeniable proof the earth is flat the sextant and its ability to directly measure this value is. "apparent size" = the angle between you and two sides of an object. [This value is a variable and changes as the distance between you and the object changes.] "angular size" = the angle between the horizon and two sides of an object. [This value is a constant and does not change as the distance between you and the object changes.]
 @nutildah, The Sun is directly measured to be 32 minutes in diameter; 1 minute = 1 mile. Plane trigonometry can be used to calculate the height of the Sun at about 3,000 miles. ''The Sun is directly measured to be 32 minutes in diameter; 1 minute = 1 mile. Plane trigonometry can be used to calculate the height of the Sun at about 3,000 miles'' What's the math for that? |
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You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?
Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell. Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple? |
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You also have a bad memory or you are under a spell of forgetting. Posting again for reminder: Top knucklehead of this thread (and probably) of this forum:
1. vo(i)d - believes that he is a monkeyman living on a spinning ball. Also believes that he will cease to exist when he dies.
 ''Also believes that he will cease to exist when he dies.'' Outrageous notion, who would ever think that, it's not like everything we know so far indicates that. |
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