Scientific proof that God exists?

[Vod]

God concept is not testable. Science cannot be used to prove or disprove God's existence.  Full stop.

Batty knows this, but he is a troll.  He will continue this thread forever. :/

[Astargath]

God concept is not testable. Science cannot be used to prove or disprove God's existence.  Full stop.

Batty knows this, but he is a troll.  He will continue this thread forever. :/

I just want him to admit he cannot prove there is only 1 god and not multiple.

[Vod]

God concept is not testable. Science cannot be used to prove or disprove God's existence.  Full stop.

Batty knows this, but he is a troll.  He will continue this thread forever. :/

I just want him to admit he cannot prove there is only 1 god and not multiple.

Why would he admit anything?  Trolls don't work that way.  They operate by changing the subject constantly.  They will find something they think annoys you and play it to death.

[philipma1957]

Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.

There has never been a single fact that proves any of the thousands of gods, or other mythical creatures.

And there has never been a single fact that disproves god or gods or vampires or other mythical creatures.

The reality is we really don’t know what real is.

Movies like matrix can not be proven to be true or false.

Which simply means any info we get could be true or not true.

Since the only fact I know is I don’t know anything for sure I simply chose to believe in certain things.

And if I am wrong oh well.

[Astargath]

Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.

There has never been a single fact that proves any of the thousands of gods, or other mythical creatures.

And there has never been a single fact that disproves god or gods or vampires or other mythical creatures.

The reality is we really don’t know what real is.

Movies like matrix can not be proven to be true or false.

Which simply means any info we get could be true or not true.

Since the only fact I know is I don’t know anything for sure I simply chose to believe in certain things.

And if I am wrong oh well.

Yes there has. For the god of the bible there are tons of facts that disprove him. For instance, the age of the earth or the universe are wrong in the bible. Also many other scientific errors regarding biology. Choosing to believe randomly in stuff is not a good way to live your life.

[BADecker]

Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.

There has never been a single fact that proves any of the thousands of gods, or other mythical creatures.

And there has never been a single fact that disproves god or gods or vampires or other mythical creatures.

The reality is we really don’t know what real is.

Movies like matrix can not be proven to be true or false.

Which simply means any info we get could be true or not true.

Since the only fact I know is I don’t know anything for sure I simply chose to believe in certain things.

And if I am wrong oh well.

Yes there has. For the god of the bible there are tons of facts that disprove him. For instance, the age of the earth or the universe are wrong in the bible. Also many other scientific errors regarding biology. Choosing to believe randomly in stuff is not a good way to live your life.

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

[af_newbie]

Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.

There has never been a single fact that proves any of the thousands of gods, or other mythical creatures.

And there has never been a single fact that disproves god or gods or vampires or other mythical creatures.

The reality is we really don’t know what real is.

Movies like matrix can not be proven to be true or false.

Which simply means any info we get could be true or not true.

Since the only fact I know is I don’t know anything for sure I simply chose to believe in certain things.

And if I am wrong oh well.

Yes there has. For the god of the bible there are tons of facts that disprove him. For instance, the age of the earth or the universe are wrong in the bible. Also many other scientific errors regarding biology. Choosing to believe randomly in stuff is not a good way to live your life.

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

[BADecker]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

[Astargath]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

[BADecker]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

[Astargath]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

How do you know that's what happened? Why should you trust anyone that claims to be an eye witness?

[af_newbie]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

So what you saying is, you know because you know, because you said so.  

The Bible is true because it says so.

The Bible is an eyewitness account because it says so.

God is real because the Bible says so.

Pinocchio is real because the book "The Adventures of Pinocchio" says so.

Here are more books for you, all based on eyewitness accounts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fairy_tales

[BADecker]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

So what you saying is, you know because you know, because you said so.  

The Bible is true because it says so.

The Bible is an eyewitness account because it says so.

God is real because the Bible says so.

Pinocchio is real because the book "The Adventures of Pinocchio" says so.

Here are more books for you, all based on eyewitness accounts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fairy_tales

Where did I say that?

You posted it. Such can be expected from you. You seem to be willing to only accept the science that suits you. Science that shows the solidity of the Bible has all your science theories beat, hands down.

[af_newbie]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

So what you saying is, you know because you know, because you said so.  

The Bible is true because it says so.

The Bible is an eyewitness account because it says so.

God is real because the Bible says so.

Pinocchio is real because the book "The Adventures of Pinocchio" says so.

Here are more books for you, all based on eyewitness accounts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fairy_tales

Where did I say that?

You posted it. Such can be expected from you. You seem to be willing to only accept the science that suits you. Science that shows the solidity of the Bible has all your science theories beat, hands down.

Since you seem to be confused, let me help you a little bit.

Start here:
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http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs.html

then go one by one here:
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http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

[Astargath]

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

So what you saying is, you know because you know, because you said so.  

The Bible is true because it says so.

The Bible is an eyewitness account because it says so.

God is real because the Bible says so.

Pinocchio is real because the book "The Adventures of Pinocchio" says so.

Here are more books for you, all based on eyewitness accounts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fairy_tales

Where did I say that?

You posted it. Such can be expected from you. You seem to be willing to only accept the science that suits you. Science that shows the solidity of the Bible has all your science theories beat, hands down.

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

[Vod]

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

No it's not.

For eighty years (4+ generations) everyone forgot what happened.

The suddenly, four men remembered it in such fine detail? 

Read the bible!  - The four men reference each others stories, and the most original story talks about a temple that was built 80 years after the protagonist died.

Fiction.

[BADecker]

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

[BADecker]

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

No it's not.

For eighty years (4+ generations) everyone forgot what happened.

The suddenly, four men remembered it in such fine detail?  

Read the bible!  - The four men reference each others stories, and the most original story talks about a temple that was built 80 years after the protagonist died.

Fiction.

I have read. Nowhere does it talk about these things you posted. At least not the way you said them. Point me to the spot.

[Astargath]

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?

[BADecker]

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong, and shows that God is working in the hearts of people through the Bible. How? The billions of copies. The billions of people who, with Bible knowledge, understand that God exists.... the Bible record that shows true history because it has always been the strongest book in the hearts of people who believe.

How strong is the strength of Godly people with the Bible? Way stronger than any belief in any other writing. Not just a little stronger so that one would have to say something like, "Well, some book has to be strongest." Rather, the Bible is way stronger by many times.

How is this shown? Again, in the multitude of its copies. The biggest showing of this is that there are hand written copies or parts of copies, of the New Testament, from as long as almost 2,000 years ago, in the range of 25,000 copies. No other book comes even close.

In addition, if there were no easy method of copying books like the printing press, there would be no science of today. The Bible would be stronger than ever, because it would continue to be copied because of its strength in the hearts of people who were moved by it so strongly that they copied it. But science would not even exist because of its weakness.

What is the strength of the Bible that makes people want to copy it? The strength is the Holy spirit working in the hearts of people, to show them that the Bible is true, and real, and powerful. Science is only dabbling in what is happening in the universe. The Bible is from God Who made and understands all the workings of the universe. The way this is shown is that the Bible has power in people. Science doesn't have this power because it doesn't know how to move people. Science doesn't have the knowledge of how to move people spiritually, but the Bible does, because the Bible has more basic science in it than any science writing.

Why doesn't most of standard science acknowledge things like spirit and soul? Because modern science is so weak that it can't get a handle on them to measure and manipulate them. But the energetic distribution of the Bible shows that God has built the knowledge of soul and spirit right into the structure of the Bible. The Bible is truth. It is a true record. Its strength in moving people shows this.

Sure, science might play with a few things that are under the control of people. But God controls even this, so that His desires are the outcome.

Guess what I am really doing with this post? I am showing you how the Bible shows that it has power and strength, and that it is truth. But I am doing it in such a way that you won't understand the strength of the Bible unless you really want to. You won't understand because you don't want to, but if you wanted to, then you would.

Btw, this is only the beginning of the ways that the Bible can be shown to be way stronger than any other writing, for truth and accuracy, and that it is the Word of God.