Apparently because Kyle was smart enough to get the fuck out of this Dash Mafia:



What did Kyle Hagan write that pissed off the Dash Mafia?

Please forgive me for my slow responses today, as I can barely see. I gorged on pizza last night (delicious like coming upon an oasis in the desert after eating oatmeal & broccoli for weeks) and made me nearly blind this morning. I really need to stick with my strict diet. i am squinting and everything is so incredibly blurry.


And he didn't notice that 32.1% of the long-term coin supply had been mined in less than 24 hours the second time


Yeah pretend to be totally incompetent as a nice deceptive way to hide a premine.

And I was born yesterday. And I have a bridge in China to sell you for 1000 DRK.

If you refuse to admit any sane comprehension of reality, then all I can conclude is you are a willful, unethical accomplice.


5% is not 32.1%. And because no one cared about crypto-currency, because he invented the entire sector. Evan invented only how to scam cleverly because there are many now who want to mine. And I dispute that 5% estimate.

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Macno apparently deleted that post. Thanks for quoting him. Yeah Evan ostensibly realized the only way you can profit on a shitcoin is to sell out 32.1% to a small group of scammers who conspire together to P&D. Again I noticed Erik Voorhees (who already paid fines to the SEC) pumping Dash at a YouTube of a recent conference.

Whereas a coin with widespread adoption could make its inventor very wealthy with only 1% of the coin, which is ostensibly not enough to manipulate (P&D) the exchange market.


I will need to quit for the rest of the day. I'll be blind if I don't get off this computer now.

It doesn't help when you claim something that Gmaxwell didn't write. He didn't state Dash in that post.

If you feel so smug, then you can disclose fully then. But the problem is if you feel so smug, you can also lie in your disclosure.

I think you are going to be suprised how much the world changes towards coordinated government action across the G20 and beyond. There is a massive contagion underway that will really kick into high gear in 2018.

I think you will find that totalitarianism will increase for many years before it finally implodes around 2033. I think this will mean the governments will join together and double-down on boots on throats. I would not want to have your attitude.

But moreover, I would not want your sleazy ethics. We are supposed to be helping humanity here, not making schemes that deceive n00bs. Come on you know the "no victims" diversion is an attempt to be unethical. Instead make a plan to deceive the bastards who are abusing us, which can empower the n00bs. That is what I am doing.

We all should know that wealth is power law distributed because most people spend rather than save[1].

However, there is competition within the 1 - 5% that control most of the wealth. So this is not valid rationalization for instamining to prevent the other 70 - 350 million savers from competing with you to obtain a fair distribution.

I warned you guys you will lose in a debate with me. My father is an very prolific attorney. I inherited the skill of debate. I don't typically start a debate (especially so forcefully as I have done here) unless I am sure I can win it.

[1] A. Dragulescu and V. Yakovenko. Exponential and power-law probability distributions of wealth and income in the United Kingdom and the United States

The "logic" (rationalization) of criminal is that everyone is a criminal so his actions are no worse than anyone else's. It is this warped mindset that is apparently held by 2.5% of the population.


Liar. Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero do not appear to be scams to me. My angst against Monero was when they were in every coin's thread spamming everyone about how only Monero could win. And some Monerotards making prouncements about DA MOON.

My angst against Dash has grown as the lies and deception have grown. When I originally went to the DarkCoin thread as the behest of illodin, I told Evan that CoinJoin could be jammed (since I was the first one to point out in gmaxwell's CoinJoin thread that a blacklist couldn't work because the point of the mixer is to prevent tracking identity, duh!). Evan responded by designing masternodes. I left the thread thinking he is an amiable but dumb man, so let him go ahead. Then later I come to find out about the instamine and using the masternodes as a scheme to enrich the insiders. So that is why I have gone ballastic on Dash, because I should have shut that down from the start instead of appearing to have given it my blessing. And because of Evan's greed! He should have stopped but he analogous to all criminal mindsets think they can continue, so they push it too far and end up caught. The Evolution hype can keep the fools coming in to perpetuate the scheme, but eventually the scheme will blow up. Because you can't print money out of thin air and always make the fools pay the insiders without eventually it eating up all the capital that is dumb enough. Probably you have some people who think the dividends they are getting from masternoodes are enriching them, but that illusion will fall away and then it will be a stampede to the exits or just stuck there watching their price decline towards 0. Most likely what will finally kill Dash is when there is a good enough altcoin that everyone just says fuck these shitcoins.


Be very careful. I fell into that trap over the past years and almost justified some shady ideas because "the entire system is scam". That is sliding into a criminal mindset and forsaking any ethical backbone. With that attitude, we all steal from each other and end up in a clusterfuck Dark Age. Step back from the ledge before it is too late and recover the ethics you learned as a child perhaps from your grandparents who came from the honorable generation before the boomers (assuming you are my age or older).

Come on now boys. If you are so sure this is not a scam, then make your sworn disclosures about your involvement in it. Are you afraid of future SEC and FinCEN actions and thus afraid to disclosure. Hmmm.

Stop obfuscating with off topic diversionary tactics.

I am trying to rescue you idiots. But you are determined to dig own pathway to jail.

Wake up and see the light pronto for your own sake.

This has been explained to you numerous times. Now you are just trying to ignore and obfuscate answering the dicussion that would reveal you are an accomplice.


I suppose your hard-head will require some explaining from the SEC and FinCEN in the future. You will reap what you sow.

Document where it has always been in the official prospectus.


Q: What is the difference between a premine and a group planning to instantmine over a very short window of time 31.2% of the coins with overwhelming rented cloud hashrate and using multiple techniques of obscuring the plan and obscuring that the rate of issuance will be so fast that if you don't mine immediately, you do not get a portion on this 31.2%.

A: Former is honest, latter is deception. No functional difference on distribution fairness and implications on whether the market is manipulated by those who control the coin supply.


Those who control the coin supply vote, but they are the same insiders who stole the coin supply, thus the "Decentralized" term is another deception of this scam.

And remember you can only vote if you lockup 1000 DRK as a masternode. Which excludes lunch money investorsfools and also this lock up removes the voter from the float thus making the market more manipulatable by the insiders.

How does your criminal mind rationalize that Evan is not a scammer who is ripping people off? Perhaps you are an accomplice who is profiting off the masternodes as we speak. Care to do disclosure given you are attacking the motivations of others?

Here is diagram of the scam of the flow of electronic digits printed ongoing out of thin air:

PRINTING PRESS ----> INSIDERS -----> INVESTORSFOOLS

AlexGR your slimy attempts to obfuscate this discussion with long-winded off topic references as to the motivations of others is irrelevant.

Please stay on the facts of whether Dash was instamined, whether masternodes pay very high dividends to those who control the coin supply, that masternodes destroy the anonymity, masternodes make InstantX insecure (per the high school level math lie"error" I revealed), and whether these facts have been properly documented on Dash's website historically and currently.

Finding out about basic facts of issuance after investing because it was not mentioned in the prospectus, is a securities law violation of the issuer, not of the investor. Please go learn some basic facts about securities law.

An instamine is a premine and thus they lose all protections against securities law that a decentralized distribution would potentially give them, i.e. where no issuer is in control and thus no issuer exists to provide a prospectus.

Add the fact of the masternode scheme protocol which is paying coins to the developer, so thus there is a centralized party that investors are depending on for their expectations of future value. Thus this development group must issue a factual prospectus. The Dash website is a prospectus and makes certain statements of fact, which omit certain key facts.

Had the tokens not been distributed for investment, perhaps one could argue this token is like a game token and is not a security that investors are basing expectations. But we can see from the linked audio upthread, that Evan is actively planing incentives (such as offering DRK to the centralized exchange, which he asserts can be paid from the funds voted on, so he implies he can control the vote) to make DRK available in multiple centralized exchanges where investors have funds stored for trading. So obviously he is targeting investors.

Documented Darkcoin (DRK i.e. Dash) victim:

Actually I have to agree with illodin here. I have warned americanpegasus et al many times, but they seem to be very hard-headed. And smooth seems to downplay the culpability of this promotion in terms of securities law violations. At least now they seem to keep in their own thread, but that still does not negate illodin's point. Nevertheless this is off topic. Monero did not have an instamine nor does it have an ongoing masternode funnel scam. The false advertising of Dash is not admitting the truth about the instamine and ongoing implications of the masternode scheme. Every security has a prospectus which is required by law to make these facts known to the investors. If investors understood the lies of Evan, they would probably have some inkling that a person like that is incapable of leading Dash to successful adoption in the world and also some inkling of the scam they would be investing in and whether that is the sort of ethics they want to support for crypto-currency.

Shitcoins that were fraudulently distributed and continue to be fraudulently distributed with a masternode scam that funnels coins to the insiders (who stole the instamine) perpetually while breaking the security of the anonymity are not bad coins by your illogic.

Nothing is bad. Just eat shit (feces) for breakfast please and report back on your health later.

When you don't understand, why can't you just admit to yourself that you don't understand.

Last time I checked, the colors black and white were distinct. Seems you live in a world with one color: grey. Fried eggs are grey, fried feces is grey, etc...