Of course, we all know you are into propaganda rather than science. All the scientists who extrapolate into the past, state that they don't know if they missed something. They all state that it only looks like. That isn't proof. That is exactly the opposite of proof. Regarding the eye witnesses, none of them paint an exact picture with all the details. Many of them explain what they saw with descriptions of what it looked like to them. But the genealogies and dating times are accurate.  No reason to trust ''eye witnesses'' Do you know someone that knew someone that knew someone, etc etc until God? That's why the things the eye witnesses saw were immediately written down, and the writings were meticulously copied perfectly. Moses and the people saw and heard God on Mt. Sinai. Shortly after this, Moses wrote the whole thing down so that there would be a record. And the two stone tablets with the 10 Commandments written on them... the ones that wound up in the Ark of the Covenant... were written in stone by the finger of God. Not so with the stuff that says that the universe is billions of years old. All of that is guesswork, and the scientists who made the guesses essentially say so in their writings about the subject. '' That's why the things the eye witnesses saw were immediately written down'' How do you know LOL. How do you know what it's written down it's what happened? Israel. It exists. The people stubbornly hang onto the Old Testament. They stubbornly exist after being gone as a nation for almost 1900 years. They are an extremely stubborn people. The 2000-y-o Dead Sea Scrolls show how stubborn Israel is, by the accuracy when comparing the Bible Scrolls to the O.T. of today. Or are you trying to say that Israel and the Dead Sea Scrolls don't exist? Yea they exist, so do Muslims, Hindus, etc etc. They all claim the same things for their gods but how do you know? What method are you using to verify their claims? Are all books then true? Science proves the earth is older than 10.000 years with many different methods. |
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Of course, we all know you are into propaganda rather than science. All the scientists who extrapolate into the past, state that they don't know if they missed something. They all state that it only looks like. That isn't proof. That is exactly the opposite of proof. Regarding the eye witnesses, none of them paint an exact picture with all the details. Many of them explain what they saw with descriptions of what it looked like to them. But the genealogies and dating times are accurate. No reason to trust ''eye witnesses'' Do you know someone that knew someone that knew someone, etc etc until God? That's why the things the eye witnesses saw were immediately written down, and the writings were meticulously copied perfectly. Moses and the people saw and heard God on Mt. Sinai. Shortly after this, Moses wrote the whole thing down so that there would be a record. And the two stone tablets with the 10 Commandments written on them... the ones that wound up in the Ark of the Covenant... were written in stone by the finger of God. Not so with the stuff that says that the universe is billions of years old. All of that is guesswork, and the scientists who made the guesses essentially say so in their writings about the subject. '' That's why the things the eye witnesses saw were immediately written down'' How do you know LOL. How do you know what it's written down it's what happened? |
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d. all of the water in-between including the shore and the base of the lighthouse visible in the viewfinder,
Speaking of which, why do lighthouses tend to be built on tall cliffs/rocks and tend to be tall towers? Doesn't make sense on flat earth. So the confusion in your mind (implied but not established) about how perspective works somehow discredits a horizon greater than ten miles away, when it can only be three on a globe? None of this perspective bullshit matters for a lighthouse. On flat earth you would have a direct line of sight to the light on top of the lighthouse whether it's placed right on the beach or 100 feet above sea level. Seems like people hundreds of years ago figured out something that you still can't grasp today. Yes, I know, oven, rope, etc. Can I jump off a cliff next to a lighthouse? You're a fucking retarded idiot (or more likely a liar) that can't/won't understand perspective (and convergence) on a plane. It should be fucking obvious to anybody that you've change the quoted subject from proof and distance to the horizon to another topic in an attempt to derail and confuse the situation. You really need to go kill yourself for being a retarded idiot or an intellectually dishonest sack of shit whatever the case may be.
All these fucking people claiming the globe, their response to proof the earth is flat is changing the subject and gas-lighting the shit out of you. You realize you spend way too much time in here instead of real life and you are not even getting anything from it. |
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Science proved beyond a doubt that the earth and universe are far older than 10.000 years old, end of the debate, bible is fiction.
Now you are telling us that science has a time machine, or at least, a time viewer.  Aren't you the one telling us you have a time machine? Have you seen God? Have you seen him create the universe? Eye witness report called the Bible. And science proves the earth is older than 10.000 years. Also, science/experiments > eye witnesses which are proven to be unreliable, specially when it's a long amount of time. Of course, we all know you are into propaganda rather than science. All the scientists who extrapolate into the past, state that they don't know if they missed something. They all state that it only looks like. That isn't proof. That is exactly the opposite of proof. Regarding the eye witnesses, none of them paint an exact picture with all the details. Many of them explain what they saw with descriptions of what it looked like to them. But the genealogies and dating times are accurate. No reason to trust ''eye witnesses'' Do you know someone that knew someone that knew someone, etc etc until God? |
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Science proved beyond a doubt that the earth and universe are far older than 10.000 years old, end of the debate, bible is fiction.
Now you are telling us that science has a time machine, or at least, a time viewer. Aren't you the one telling us you have a time machine? Have you seen God? Have you seen him create the universe? Eye witness report called the Bible. And science proves the earth is older than 10.000 years. Also, science/experiments > eye witnesses which are proven to be unreliable, specially when it's a long amount of time. |
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Science proved beyond a doubt that the earth and universe are far older than 10.000 years old, end of the debate, bible is fiction.
Now you are telling us that science has a time machine, or at least, a time viewer. Aren't you the one telling us you have a time machine? Have you seen God? Have you seen him create the universe? |
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Science proved beyond a doubt that the earth and universe are far older than 10.000 years old, end of the debate, bible is fiction.
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Never shooting someone to death is never something that keeps a person out of Hell. Shooting a person to death is never something that sends a person to Hell. There is only one thing that keeps a person out of Hell. Lacking that one thing is the only reason why people go to Hell. What is that one thing? It is believing in Jesus salvation. Shooting someone, or voluntary sinning in other ways, are all things that wear on Jesus salvation faith. Enough voluntary sinning by a person of faith, may destroy that faith in him. But it is the faith in Jesus salvation, or lack of it, that determines a person's Heaven/Hell final position. Well then god is an absolute idiot. How can your brain actually write that and be ok with it? I can kill as many people as I want as long as I accept jesus salvation? Of course I would accept jesus salvation, knowing I'm going to hell if not or jail, why would a murderer not repent? It seems his best choice. God is an idiot. Seems like you can't read very well. Voluntarily doing evil wears on Jesus salvation faith. In other words, if you truly understand and have Jesus salvation faith, you will stop sinning. At least you will reduce your voluntary sinning to an absolute minimum. In other words, voluntary sinning and Jesus salvation faith are mutually exclusive... after a time. So, we see again, that you are attempting to cast doubt into the hearts of those who are saved. Why do you do this? You are simply a child of the devil. No animosity against you. Simply pointing out a fact. But you can change if you want... Bible clearly states that anyone can repent, therefore someone who killed 10.000 people can still go to heaven, taking away the freedom of 10.000 people means nothing to god as long as you repent, which is insane. |
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A few weeks ago ,I had a long debate with an Atheist friend, a debate about the existence of God. we have been trying to ignore such a debate for a while but it had to take place.
since i can not prove that there is a God , simply because you can't close your eyes and expect to see the light ! but i finally won the debate and opened my friend's eyes.
so after a long debate that led to no way. I had to ask my friend a simple question, and this goes to all the Atheists.
Since death is certain,what is the risk that each of us is taking now ? who is risking more ?
when we die, there are 2 possible scenarios
1- (there is no God) That's the end, , no judgment, no saving,no hell fire, no heaven.
2- (there IS God) resurrection will happen, judgement will happen, disbelievers will go to hell fire.
To me as a believe am risking nothing, i will be good with both scenario mentioned above, it's either heaven or nothing ! so i am not risking anything !
To my Atheist friend, he is good if scenario number one happen, but he sure as hell won't be good if it turns out that there is a God, its either hell or nothing!
so the certain fact here that Atheists are taking a great risk for almost no reward.
now as an Atheists i want you to explain to me why would you be taking a big risk even if it has a 1% chance of failure?
Problem with your logic is that you don't know which one of the 3000+ Gods to believe. You are probably wrong picking your God in which case you will burn in hell (if there is a God that created hell for people so that he can watch them suffer for eternity :-) ) Another option is that there is a God and nothing happens after you die, i.e. simulation is over and the atoms in your body are recycled to create something else. So there could be two different options: 1. There is no God, i.e. nothing happens after you die. 2. There is God, nothing happens after you die. God does not give a fuck about this insignificant planet in the middle of nowhere. I am pretty sure God concept was invented by insecure, ignorant people to make themselves feel better. So I would not worry about these childish stories. Pick option #1 and enjoy your life. You only got one life to live. This thread should have ended here. Not to mention the fact that you can't force yourself to believe in something. |
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Well then god is an absolute idiot. How can your brain actually write that and be ok with it? I can kill as many people as I want as long as I accept jesus salvation? Of course I would accept jesus salvation, knowing I'm going to hell if not or jail, why would a murderer not repent? It seems his best choice. God is an idiot.
He was being sarcastic. You are new here, he was not sarcastic. I can guarantee you that. |
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There is simply no reason for an all loving-powerful-knowing god to let people suffer.
The overwhelming majority of human suffering is induced by the evils of our fellow human beings. It comes about as a result of the human freedom to be evil and make poor choices. This suffering could not be excised without removing the human capacity for choice. The small remnant of suffering independent of man is the result of our ignorance limited science and lack of knowledge. This portion of suffering naturally trends towards zero over time as knowledge and technology advance. ''This suffering could not be excised without removing the human capacity for choice.'' Yes it can, that's such a bullshit argument. I can think of 10 ways to reduce suffering right now, without tampering with freedom. For instance, why even allow diseases in the first place? God could have prevented them all along (that's not tampering with freedom) Also birth defects and so on. The only thing god wouldn't be able to prevent are things like, someone shooting someone because that's his choice, however since he will send you to hell for it, he could just prevent that from happening in the moment. He is tampering with your freedom when he sends you to hell, isn't he? So why not stop that before it even happens? Please, use some logic. Never shooting someone to death is never something that keeps a person out of Hell. Shooting a person to death is never something that sends a person to Hell. There is only one thing that keeps a person out of Hell. Lacking that one thing is the only reason why people go to Hell. What is that one thing? It is believing in Jesus salvation. Shooting someone, or voluntary sinning in other ways, are all things that wear on Jesus salvation faith. Enough voluntary sinning by a person of faith, may destroy that faith in him. But it is the faith in Jesus salvation, or lack of it, that determines a person's Heaven/Hell final position. Well then god is an absolute idiot. How can your brain actually write that and be ok with it? I can kill as many people as I want as long as I accept jesus salvation? Of course I would accept jesus salvation, knowing I'm going to hell if not or jail, why would a murderer not repent? It seems his best choice. God is an idiot. |
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There is simply no reason for an all loving-powerful-knowing god to let people suffer.
The overwhelming majority of human suffering is induced by the evils of our fellow human beings. It comes about as a result of the human freedom to be evil and make poor choices. This suffering could not be excised without removing the human capacity for choice. The small remnant of suffering independent of man is the result of our ignorance limited science and lack of knowledge. This portion of suffering naturally trends towards zero over time as knowledge and technology advance. ''This suffering could not be excised without removing the human capacity for choice.'' Yes it can, that's such a bullshit argument. I can think of 10 ways to reduce suffering right now, without tampering with freedom. For instance, why even allow diseases in the first place? God could have prevented them all along (that's not tampering with freedom) Also birth defects and so on. The only thing god wouldn't be able to prevent are things like, someone shooting someone because that's his choice, however since he will send you to hell for it, he could just prevent that from happening in the moment. He is tampering with your freedom when he sends you to hell, isn't he? So why not stop that before it even happens? Please, use some logic. |
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And that's god, obey or be tortured forever in hell. Then again, god from the bible doesn't exist, clearly.
Any existence beyond death is unearned. All we have earned is oblivion. An afterlife would be a gift of grace one we certainly do not deserve. The difference here is that the robber is taking from you by force weakening maybe even killing you. An afterlife would be the opposite process an unearned gift making you stronger and extending your existence long after it would have run its natural course into oblivion. An all knowing, all powerful all loving god would be able to make everyone believe in him (without forcing them either).
God could certainly could have done that. He could also have made a universe without any freedom where everything just played itself out in a predetermined manner like a rock falling to the ground. Instead he created an ordered open universe where everything seems possible and freedom is maximized. Great error is permitted and belief is not compelled. That is in my humble opinion a far grander accomplishment. Scientifically speaking that's not possible. If he created everything, then everything is determined (ask your buddy badecker) so you can't have freedom. Also as I said already, god wouldn't need to take your freedom away to convince you of his existence so this argument is utterly useless. There is simply no reason for an all loving-powerful-knowing god to let people suffer. Not to mention the fact that some people will live and die without ever knowing about god. It's a mess, god from the bible is clearly not real. You only need a bit of logic to realize it, really. |
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Report them to twitter and to bounty manager. If the advertiser is getting the exposure they are paying for this should not be an issue.
Does it apply to bitcointalk too? If advertiser is getting the exposure bots and spam shouldn't be problem? I don't think so. It shouldn't be different with twitter or any other social media. I personally wouldn't see this is as a problem at all, using a program/script/bot to post a tweet on a regular schedule does not affect the bounty or anyone. People can upload videos on youtube automatically on a schdeule for instance. As long as it's not spam, which it isn't, it's fine. |
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Happy to see we went back to an up trend rather than continuing down. Is this the sideways action people keep saying will happen because it feels bumpy as hell to me.
I wouldn't call it an uptrend until we break the last high of 4410$ ~ |
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If a robber points a gun at you and he asks you to give him your money or die, do you feel like slave? You have a choice, don't you?
Obey or be killed. The choice shared by all slaves throughout history. And that's god, obey or be tortured forever in hell. Then again, god from the bible doesn't exist, clearly. By definition in the bible, God is all knowing and all loving, therefore he would want all humans to believe and follow him. Do all humans follow and believe in him? No, therefore, god doesn't exist. Because an all knowing, all powerful all loving god would be able to make everyone believe in him (without forcing them either). Let's say he couldn't, then why create humans at all? Why create animals? They are all going to die and lots of them will be tortured forever or die, what's the point of it? Just don't create them if you are all loving, you are essentially creating pain for nothing. |
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Under all circumstances, I am a free man. Always was and always will be.
Yes you are a free man. You live in a deterministic universe yet you are free. You fail to see the miracle in that which is your perogrative. If you were denied the ability to reject God whatever the circumstances you would not ultimately be free. We are slaves already, it's either belief in god or torture in hell forever. If God wanted, he would know exactly what it takes to convince me or newbie of his existence. God does not exist.
Do you feel like a slave? Do you feel you have no choice? Or do you feel you were given a choice evaluated the data and made a decision? If a robber points a gun at you and he asks you to give him your money or die, do you feel like slave? You have a choice, don't you? |
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There are billions of videos on youtube. Not one is from God himself.
Say God came to you personally via YouTube or whatever format you found convincing gave you personal commands after informing you that you as the creator of the universe his will is paramount. In that circumstance would you be a free man or a slave? You would be a slave compelled by a power greater then you. By not compelling our belief God grants us freedom. We are free to accept God or reject him. When we genuinely look for God he is easily found in the miracles of daily life all around us. Similarly when we truly reject God he becomes all but invisible to us and we are left alone to swim in a sea of nihilism. We are slaves already, it's either belief in god or torture in hell forever. If God wanted, he would know exactly what it takes to convince me or newbie of his existence. God does not exist. |
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Why do they keep drawing some lines and claim the water is ''flat'' Have they actually measured to see it's not actually flat?
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