Discuss the other issues raised please or ignore (as you seem inclined to do so) them and be a child.
Such a shame you are unable to defend a product you endorse in a professional manner, hopefully BFL will find a decent rep in the future

I think for now the best course is to sit and wait, lets hope toms hardware or someone with a real reputation gives them a review. The results will speak for themselves once/if shipping speeds up and we have more users in the wild.

OK you got me (I should pay for jokes more often), payment will be sent shortly.

Im going to go against the grain here and say its a good idea with the following conditions:
* no/minimal transaction fees.
* you are able to bounce coins back and forth between two addresses with 0 charge.

Then if I were to get into these coins, id simply setup a perl script to bounce my coins back and forth.
When I cease using the coins (ie dead) my PC will eventually be turned off (if not claimed by people in my will) then they are slowly reclaimed by the miners which I see as paying for infrastructure.

On the flip side, I also feel its simply not required if you can split the coin to ever smaller bits. As more is lost, value rises and people buy the same stuff but with smaller amounts of coin.

If you wanted to get more support behind the idea, perhaps set the reclaim time to a very large increment, perhaps 1 month or 1 year ?
At those figures Im sure people simply wouldnt care and would be more inclined to believe it is there for the networks benefit.

Is there any list atm that covers them ?

namecoin seems to have a bit of support, what about litecoin, iocoin etc ?

Ive started on merged mining with btc+nmc so I have some nmc to play with now
For people like myself it seems a better currency to play with due to being so cheap currently, additionally I think promotion of gambling sites will help alt currencies gain new adopters.

Thoughts, suggestions etc.

So true, I felt this was implied in my previous posts but hopefully this clears up the confusion inba and other pro BFL supporters have regarding my own doubts and those raised by many others.

You made very good points, hopefully its better received

Well spoiled is relative, I say no you say yes
But 100% correct on the rest


Sometimes people wait the time they were told and get annoyed when the actual time for delivery is 2-3x.
This is called a reasonable complaint. 

ssssh my butt hurt little friend, if you want to argue with the adults you need to state your case.
The short version: Substance & civility - Share your opinions but dont use them as your argument base

Please do let me know, especially the delay in shipping.

I did not state "it is" a long con, just that it is quite possible. Being familiar with large scale scams in my industry I can say  that ~50 people is an extremely easy number to fake (but getting more and more unlikely given the histories of the posters).

So as I said (people seem to love restating my intentions for some reason) I shall hold off until satisfied and I shall continue to voice any concerns I may have.

If Inaba decides to have a psychotic break each time he sees an concern or opinion he doesn't care for - again that is his choice to do so, though given his inability to conduct himself maturely I wont bother engaging.  He is an completely angry fool that is for certain (seriously what but hurt child even bothers trying to twist these definitions ffs).
Worse he does not argue at face value but twists statements to suite his retorts which has the result of 0 productivity when attempting to resolve disputes.
Id imagine you would  need an umbrella and earplugs to argue with him in person  

Im Not a hater, just a skeptic but label me whatever you want to console your wounded feelings.
It certainly seems to be how other people here handle disagreement.

If I have said or done something to indicate i "hate" BFL as opposed to being skeptical of their company then I am sorry that was not the intention nor do I remember making any such statements.

Id love to see them churning out BFL's, I'll be ordering 10 if/when they start shipping in a reasonable time frame.

I <3 IBB and Im an Catholic born Agnostic.

Hoping you can post a video showing a walk around of the rack.
Love your hose connectors on the front.

reserving for winning results.

Yes this is real, the post is not a joke
Must be a newbie to win.

I like jokes, I will pay 0.05 btc to the best joke posted here from now until I get home (~6 hours).
By all means vote for the jokes as well - please include your addy.

0.05 - 1PUzQWFq4ia2eRyTVYRYyWFihaqtJFw8WN - cop joke
0.025 - 12hPRt8hbxikCBbEeJzE8iCcydNZ8aYZqg - apple
0.0125 - 177HvCJZZHq8biugAEwxH8BDBCLoFz1vG2 - cow
0.00625 - 1MYwkQ8ZafkEnppxAHb2JJvLAfyEjdGdyL - hitch hikers
0.003125 - 1KDmysXoDaoTAUtksKqopH6VosN76H8Jub - Scotts (awesome).
0.0015625 - CLOSE - PAYING OUT.
0.00078125 - PAYMENTS MADE - flying through the bitverse to your wallets now.


update: Decided this is a pretty good thing to do.
Will leave this one open for a bit more then if no takes will payout and restart.

Payouts will be made tonight (in the next ~4 hours). Tomorrow and will edit this msg again to announce closure and next round.
I save on transactions if I do all the tiny ones at once is the reason for holding the comp open a little longer.

Current rules:
Newbies pull position rank over senior members.
Seniors welcome to play, but newbies will always take top prize position.
Multiple entries welcome.
Game runs for ~2 days.
Payouts a grouped.

Ok so you have back stepping from an absolute to almost.
The more devices out in the wild at different locations the less likely it is to be a long con.

Its a shame I had to wade through so many of your tantrums to get to something resembling a discussion.


Opps back to being a child again, this is disappointing.
Let me reiterate that point - your claims mean nothing without proof and as you cannot prove them to me or the people requesting it you should stop putting them forward. Maybe you are just to stupid and or arrogant to have structured conversation and or debate.

You do not, you have deluded yourself into thinking you do.
Anyway Its not my place to argue with your ego, but consider this.

You get respect - you dont run around like a child demanding it and telling people you have it.
"if" you had any, it would be obvious but carry on, this is extremely entertaining if nothing else.

They are called citations, extensively used in all fields to verify authority on the subject matter - wikipedia would be the best example if you need some study matter.


Yes they lied and are continuing to lie to clients. I and all adults in the business world have a problem with a company that does this.




My argument and stance  that they lie to clients is as rock solid as ever - you even agreed with it.
My argument has substance and is easy to verify by checking their website.

Poor attempt to side step the core point, but this is what id expect from you now.


Pathetic, seriously grow up. I wont debate definitions with a child that insists on re-interpreting every argument presented so they can ignore  the core (and very obvious issue). The dictionary agrees with me and an egotistical swearing tantrum throwing forum member disagrees - I wont lose any sleep.

Must of missed that 1 fact inside your wall of crys.

Again we disagree on definitions. If you are an adult you should be embarassed by the lack of self control, composure and maturity you demonstrate.

I am a Senior Unix Systems Administrator for ~14 years now. I can verify this with anyone that requires my services.
Again, more substance less tantrums please.

Truly childish - substance or stfu please.

Dude, really ? you are going to stoop the the level of "No you shut up" when asked to be civil.
You dont see me swearing, ranting, calling bullshit, insulting etc - All I have done is disagree.

Ahh more insults, its a good last resort when you are stuck arguing your beliefs vs critical thinking.

Unlike BFL I have not lied in this entire discussion.
You have constantly lied, purposefully misinterpreted and side stepped. You are either an idiot or are involved in a long con.

I thought you had calmed down but it seems you are mentally incapable of being challenged and handling it in a civil and mature fashion. Id suggest seeking help on that as it will severely impact any future you may have as a business owner.

I was hoping you may have finally put out something more substantial but alas - just a wall of crys.

I shall continue waiting to see if more people receive and confirm them as working as said, the more out in the wild being demonstrated the more unlikely it is to be a con.

I dont want to argue back and forth unless we are making progress but we are not.

I can tell you will scream and screech down anyone that dares question the almighty BFL - So there is no point, it would be like arguing the existence of God with a fanatic.

You seem to think its perfectly fine for a company to lie to clients repeatedly and consistently - I and many many others do not.

You think you are a big deal on teh scene, that you have credibility and deserve and have respect ..... LOL   (not for the entire scene my deluded idiot, but quite possibly for the section you service).

I want BFL to be real and not a con - still waiting to see, Im sorry that a random dickheads assurance is not enough for myself.

If BFL wanted me and all others to stop questioning their claims now, the easiest way would be to ship a BFL as a review unit to a credible site, eg tomshardware.

Good luck, I hope you have managed to calm down and please see a shrink about your inability to handle confrontations.

now its getting interesting - subscribing.

Sounds like a good business model, need an investor ?

Calm down children, for starters not throwing e-tantrums when your baseless claims are questioned is a good way to get some credibility.



No, please do not attempt to side step this argument.
You do not have proof, you may or may not have some credibility with the community in certain areas. This does not make your word gospel.


A unit being demonstrated on a video for a group of people known to the community.
Again you do not seem to understand the difference being a logical conclusion and faith.


I challenge you to prove any flaws in my use of the definitions instead of throwing this childish tantrum.

Good for you, is there some kind of award you are expecting ?

I have also been involved in start ups and successfully started my own business and ran it for 5 years before selling to take an easier career path. This should have 0 weight on my argument as I do not know you personally so you would be required to have a leap of faith in my claims.

Im certain many forum members have also had similar success or do software engineering (me) or hardware engineering etc etc etc.
Spouting these claims without proof to boost your authority again just seems childish and immature.

Blatantly lying and continuing to lie about expected delivery times for over 6 months is not BAU for any respectable company. If you truly were a professional you would know this. Contracts are terminated in my field for much less.


I challenge you to do 2 things:

1) produce 1 fact regarding BFL that can be verified and carries some weight.

2) Grow the fuck up, stop screeching and swearing on the forums because people dared to question your claims. Frankly any respect you may have earned from me is lost due to the extremely childish and unprofessional way you handle yourself.
I wouldnt enter into business with someone that throws tantrums when people do not blindly agree with their unfounded claims.

3rd optional challenge:

3) Attempt a civil debate, respond with founded claims or STFU. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the definition of a debate so you know  to keep your assumptions out if it.

Good day sir.

Wow - I have some bridges to sell you buddy
This is each individuals choice, if are to base your decision on a "trust me" so be it.

When I clicked on this thread, like most others I was hoping for more substance than "I spent $$$ and trust them you should too".

We have a few key members here adamant that it is legit (and I hope it is) but the same members absolutely refuse to provide any substantial evidence.

BFL at this point in time is completely unverified with some rather dodgy history, ie lying about delivery times for over 6 months and still continuing to do so.

There is no certainty, it is purely a leap of faith - its disappointing to see that people in this thread cannot grasp that others will not blindly follow simply because they believe (*gasp* free thinking individuals !!!).

This thread is here for people to ask any questions from someone who has been to BFL, it seems when people actually do ask questions they are just short of attacked and riddiculed for not having blind faith.




I dont have faith, but I do have hope. Im hoping for substance.

+1 that, Stephen is a treasure of this subforum along with bitcoinlotto

Has anyone made one yet ?
Im considering making 1 up for the altcoin section.

I like the idea of gambling with namecoins due to being so cheap (Im no high roller )