I think Im all healed up  Anyway, to cut this short: It seems their shipping times are improving rapidly and there have been no people on the forums complaining about not receiving their order. I still believe they are reusing 2nd hand chips in the single, all current info supports this conclusion, we have seen a few failures reported on the forum regarding this. They are the very definition of a dishonest company but the product seems legit and more importantly they seem to be satisfying order quantities finally so the likelihood of a long con in the forum of a ponzi scheme is low and getting lower the more they close that gap. BFL == LAIRS == FACT BFL =~ SCAM == Potentially but unlikely at this point. Its is possible they are simply a small company with terrible pr made worse by fanatical supports such as Inaba coupled with a really bad launch. If so, sorry BFL but hire a fucking PR guy. Inaba, I deeply regard that your own lack of self control and maturity prevents you from discussing questions raised about BFL - I have attempted to unignore you to follow up any new points you may have addressed but unfortunately you seem to be just posting bitter sideline comments like a child sulking. Your personal attacks and rants (and the ridiculous tantrum you threw at MTGOX for your own failure to comprehend site terms and read a simple FAQ) are hard to credit to an adult, if true it is a sad state of affairs.
BFL is A Dishonest Company1) False advertising regarding shipping times LIARS - FACT2) They are most likely reusing 2nd Hand Chips. SELLING OLD PRODUCTS ADVERTISED AS NEW - LIKELY3) Oversold while under volume LIARS - FACT - volume now appears to be catching up to supply, this dramatically reduces the likely hood of a con. 4) Numerous BFL Shills/ trolls plugging BFL or on the forum LIKELY
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Hey, I never agreed that they were using 2nd-hand chips, only that they are using chips that are not of their own design. There is no proof that they are using 2nd-hand chips, besides some random guy on the forum saying that they are expensive chips. Sure, you can draw your own conclusions from that, but it's not fair to say they are "likely" using 2nd-hand chips just because you see no other plausible explanation.
Sorry for the outage, been a bit crook. I say it is likely/ plausible/ unbelievable that they are doing anything else but sorry for misquoting you. edit: forgot to include my running summary.
BFL is A Dishonest Company that uses misleading advertising, Possibly A Scam.1) False advertising regarding shipping times LIARS - FACT2) They are most likely reusing 2nd Hand Chips. SELLING OLD PRODUCTS ADVERTISED AS NEW - LIKELY3) Accepts more pre-orders than they can fill. OVER SELLING WHILE UNDER VOLUME - FACT4) Numerous BFL Shills/ trolls plugging BFL or on the forum LIKELY
1 & 3) Inaba & SgtSpike has agreed with 1&3. Inaba will say "SO FUCKING WHAT, THEY LIED FUCK OFF AND SPEND YOUR MONEY ELSE WHERE" this is an agreement (just a childish one). 2) All signs point to yes, BFL refuses to discuss. Inaba says "SO FUCKING WHAT". 3) Should be noted that their shipping times are getting shorter - a good sign for not being a scam. 4) See Inaba, nuff said. The other less significant disagreement is that lying to clients constantly == "A dishonest company", I personally would say thats the very definition of "A dishonest company" but I am one person with his opinion come to your own conclusions.
BFL doesn't owe you any kind of explanation. Neither is New Old Stock related to being "lucky". What does a distributor do when there is no demand for some ancient product? Simple, supply and demand curves - they discount it. Agreed they do not, with the burden of proof on them and them unwilling to backup their claims I am unwilling to buy their product. They even seem unwilling to make a statement such as "No second hand chips are used in any of out products" much less to back it up. With the questions/ accusations against them - its their own issue to clear their name or ignore it. It a shitty way to do business, but I vote with my wallet. Were BFL to suddenly turn around and address the issues satisfactorily instead of hiding behind their abusive shills like Inaba, Id be ordering 10x. |
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btcchess shifted from pending to single games.
Attempted to play gold game land to test but issues encounted (site admin contacted).
Been a bit sick lately so wont be online much for another day or so.
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What happened to the prize? It was at like 190 BTC yesterday. Now it's at 170 BTC.
You beat me to it before I could make a post!  Tx: https://blockexplorer.com/tx/e036608579e6fdc920e3bec71a16d741df89208ebc627f0eacb42fc080503ceaAs shown by the amount 25.2918117 was weird. I was contacted by that person and they had a "copy and paste clipboard brain fart". They meant to send the amount to someone else but had the wrong address in the clipboard. That amount is being refunded to the sending address. (I can't send it back to a different addresses to prevent anyone trying to scam me.) I was excited that someone else other than Otoh was making a large payment. We should be able to get back up there soon though! Great work Admin  I think thats everyone's greatest fear - sending to the wrong address or wrong amount. I sent ~2.5btc to satoshidice instead of 0.25 by accident, fortunately I won A new, wildly popular competing wagering service might be where a few bitcoins ended up where previously they might have been destined for BitLotto. But that service just changed their payouts, leaving BitLotto once again as the best online, bitcoin-based wagering opportunity that I'm aware of.
I just hope its also attracting fresh meat (mmm diablo) to bitcoin |
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I'm not that obsessive with online time, but before I knew about bitcoin I wanted to build water-cooled rigs with nice ricer PSUs and new components and a good-looking case, and then overvolt the RAM and CPU. I wanted to purchase some 9800GTs to do some folding to "cure cancer". I had my PC on 24/7 folding, etc Now I only care about price/performance, I don't care if the PSU I buy is a bit twisted with tobacco smoke, I just care about the price. Used parts are the best thing, and I undervolt stuff to get less heat, etc. Forget about anything nVidia until kepler, and I won't even think about using any part of my PC to fold. It makes me sad  And, when I see a computer, I think how many MH/s can I get from there, at what price, then I try to calculate the power cost, and see if it's profitable. When you talk to me about dollars or any currency IRL, I will explain what Bitcoin is to you. Im with you mate, my ROI on all my 2nd hand mining rigs is usually 2.5 months |
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Indeed and its nice to see you stopped your childish trolls for a moment to discuss this. Perhaps they were lucky enough to source these ~$2000 USD chips for less than $400 USD each still new while out of stock etc etc etc. More likely they are reusing chips in my opinion hence the 6 month warranty and extended burn in time. The claim is "BFL is able to source these +$2000 USD chips cheap enough to put 2 into a $800 device and make a profit". Seems a bit outrageous, compare to all other FPGA based bitcoin devices do not go to great lengths to hide the chips type and source. Does not seem on the level to me, BFL is welcome to step up at any time and clear all these queries. |
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BFL did make a claim that the chip was their own design. I don't remember when or where they wrote it, but I do remember reading it. Then again, I could have remembered reading it wrong too... perhaps mem can point us to the proof of where they said it. Ahh the chip, yes Id check the BFL_Engineer posts back going back awhile, paraphrasing from memory "the chips are of own own design - a custom combination of ASIC and FPGA technology". Seems their FAQ is updated "The BitForce processor card is a proprietary implementation of both FPGA and ASIC technology.", iirc it was chip/card. Indeed the motherboard is their own design. Im sure you have all seen the thread with another FPGA engineer stating that they either pay 2k per chip or source them 2nd hand. I can't find any posts by BFL Engineer that state or imply they are using their own design. I searched through his entire post history, and ctrl+f for "chip". He responded to one post asking what chip was being used, and simply said that it was proprietary information, and couldn't be revealed. Also, do you trust said FPGA engineer regarding the cost per chip? Maybe BFL found a stash of them on the cheap that he didn't know about? Even the statement that they were using a chip of their own design might have just been a misstatement by whoever said it, when they really meant their board was of their own design. It doesn't help that we can't find the original quote either. Mem, I was expecting better of you! I expected you to have it all fully documented with links at the ready... Im only human mate not a walking encyclopedia of all things BFL. These things would be a 100 times easier if BFL did not hide all their activities. Its quite possible BFL found a stash, hence my concern about the volume of pre-orders - I hope they are not accepting more than they can produce. In light of this new info here is the updated list:
BFL is A Dishonest Company that uses misleading advertising, Possibly A Scam.1) False advertising regarding shipping times LIARS - FACT2) They are most likely reusing 2nd Hand Chips. SELLING OLD PRODUCTS ADVERTISED AS NEW - LIKELY3) Accepts more pre-orders than they can fill. OVER SELLING WHILE UNDER VOLUME - FACT (sgtspike pointed out that this was not clear and the wording used previously makes it seem the same as #1 - fixed). 4) Numerous BFL Shills/ trolls plugging BFL or on the forum LIKELY
SgtSpike has agreed with 1&3, inaba despite his rants and the rest of the trolls do as well (if not please correct me, but it does seem everyone agrees on 1&3). Regarding 2) sgtspike notes that BFL has made no such claim that they designed their own chip on the forums (Im inclined to believe him unless another quote is provided showing otherwise) but does acknowledge it is quite likely they are using 2nd hand chips passed off as new. It could be a simple miswording, saying chip instead of board - the board is indeed their own design. The main disagreement atm is if they are or are not a scam - only time will tell. The other less significant disagreement is that lying to clients constantly == "A dishonest company", I personally would say thats the very definition of "A dishonest company" but I am one person with his opinion come to your own conclusions. |
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Roulette is only a 47.37% probability of winning (red/black) with a house edge of 5.26% I dont think people will mind if yours is now 1.5% house edge |
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BFL did make a claim that the chip was their own design. I don't remember when or where they wrote it, but I do remember reading it. Then again, I could have remembered reading it wrong too... perhaps mem can point us to the proof of where they said it. Ahh the chip, yes Id check the BFL_Engineer posts back going back awhile, paraphrasing from memory "the chips are of own own design - a custom combination of ASIC and FPGA technology". Seems their FAQ is updated "The BitForce processor card is a proprietary implementation of both FPGA and ASIC technology.", iirc it was chip/card. Indeed the motherboard is their own design. Im sure you have all seen the thread with another FPGA engineer stating that they either pay 2k per chip or source them 2nd hand. |
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still a newbie despite my post count, cant help but lurk.
I think bitcoin is the best thing since downloadable porn !
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Just staying on topic while the trolls troll
BFL is A Dishonest Company that uses misleading advertising, Possibly A Scam.1) False advertising regarding shipping times Liars - FACT2) False advertising regarding Chips - Claims it is their own design, bu they are most likely reusing 2nd Hand Chips and advertising as new. MISLEADING CUSTOMERS ON PURPOSE - FACT3) Accepts numerous pre-orders while being unable to meet delivery dates or production volume FACT4) Numerous BFL Shills plugging BFL on the forum LIKELY BUT UNPROVEN
SgtSpike has agreed with 1-3, inaba despite his rants and the rest of the trolls do as well (if not please correct me, but it does seem everyone agrees on 1-3). The main disagreement atm is 4 which only time will prove. The other less significant disagreement is that lying to clients constantly == "A dishonest company", I personally would say thats the very definition of "A dishonest company" but I am one person with his opinion come to your own conclusions. |
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I have to agree, its a great blackjack implementation. I love the hashing system used as well. Its been awhile since Ive played but Ive found it very similar to my few casino outings, few small wins then the house floors me  Backyard games are way more fun but when you need a quickie bitjack21 is one of my favourites. |
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I suppose, for me, the fudging they do (or potentially, just the lack of sensitivity they give to updating customers to their current situations), doesn't bother me. I halfway expect it in a startup company that suddenly gets way more business than they can handle. They put a higher priority on fulfilling orders than they do on apprising customers of when their orders will be fulfilled. I don't know that that is the right way to handle things, but it is their way of handling things. Yep thats a fair position, no arguments there. That said, they are FAR from being a scam. Everyone who has ordered units up through the middle of March now has received them. Feel free to call them liars about their delivery times and what chips they use, but that doesn't make them scammers in my book, and I'm pretty sure most people agree with me on that one! Definitely not a scam, but in my book (and yes I acknowledge that many disagree) still a potential scam. One definition of a scam is "to swindle (someone) by means of a trick". How is BFL swindling anyone? They are delivery a product (albeit late), and it is doing exactly what they advertised it to do (albeit with a different chip than they claimed). I just don't see it as a scam. Liars about some things, sure, but a scam, no.
Again, agreed. Lairs yes - Scam, no but maybe..... ? The only scenario in which this is a scam is as I said previously, they accept orders for N products then ensure they only deliver (N/x) products scaling up deliveries as more orders come in. This is a just a Ponzi scheme that uses a product instead of weekly/monthly return on investments. There are less likely scenarios but Id doubt they would pull anything bigger while operating in the USA. Thanks again SgtSpike, while we do have differing conclusions I sincerely appreciate the exchange.
BFL is A Dishonest Company that uses misleading advertising, Possibly A Scam.1) False advertising regarding shipping times Liars - FACT2) False advertising regarding Chips - Claims it is their own design, bu they are most likely reusing 2nd Hand Chips and advertising as new. MISLEADING CUSTOMERS ON PURPOSE - FACT3) Accepts numerous pre-orders while being unable to meet delivery dates or production volume FACT4) Numerous BFL Shills plugging BFL on the forum LIKELY BUT UNPROVEN
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Our bank account is supposedly unlocked now, but the actual bank's website is now down (UBank), so we're still unable to fulfil orders.
The site only say they'll "be back up and running soon".
We apologies for the ongoing delays.
Kind regards,
~Mat
Hope it all gets sorted soon Mat Stolen funds or stolen btc ? |
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1) Perhaps they thought they could meet those shipping deadlines from day one, but kept running into delays (as they stated)?
2) So? As long as the chips do what they need to do, I don't care which ones they use. Most reasonable people don't either.
3) I'd rather them accept pre-orders than not accept orders at all. That'd make more of a mess, as people compete to try to get an order submitted whenever they open it up for new orders.
4) Pointless point, and not a fact.
Holly crap, a decent response. 1) More than likely if they are not running a scam. New company with a terrible launch and awful PR - BFL LIES2) If it really was not an issue for all sides - they should announce the fact and not hide it. - BFL LIES3) Agreed, though should of had realistic expectations of number of units they will be able to produce in the first batch so they do not accept to many pre-orders. Instead of advertising that shipping times are 4-6 weeks. (again new company launch badly handled, terrible PR) - BFL LIES4) Inaba reeks of a confidence con artist, then we have the "Hur Dur I visited BFL and trust them with kajillions ask me anything.....what your asking me questions ? FUCK YOU BFL HATER TROLL !?!?!" - DebatableSo I am correct on 3 out of 4 points and the 4th is debatable. You have provided good alternative explanations for possible scenarios - my issue is they are a company of liars, apparently you feel this is OK. Frankly, as an individual that is fine (your life, your choice), but you should not in good faith recommend BFL without warning new clients of the many questions surrounding the company and the deceitful business practices. Cheers, this is the kind of discussion I prefer.
BFL is A Dishonest Company FACT, Quite Possibly A Scam.1) False advertising regarding shipping times from day 0 until current- BFL LIES TO CUSTOMERS - FACT2) False advertising regarding Chips - Claims it is their own design, in fact they are reusing 2nd Hand Chips. - BFL LIES TO CUSTOMERS - FACT - BFL SELLS 2nd HAND CHIPS AS NEW - ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES - BFL REFUSES TO DISCUSS3) Accepts numerous pre-orders while being unable to meet delivery dates or production volume FACT4) Numerous BFL Shills plugging BFL on the forum UNPROVEN
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I like how mem completely ignores all the happy BFL customers mining away...
Maybe he's just jealous that he didn't believe BFL miners were real earlier on.
I dont know them personally - if there are any in WA Australia Id be happy to take a drive to inspect one in person. Infact Id love the opportunity - get in contact with me WA Bitcoiners. The trolls are just coming out to play. They were probably given a free BFL to troll about BFL and their honesty. Notice how all the very vocal folks have BFLs too ! I'd like to see D&T have a BFL before the 6 week deadline this 24 May !
Their business registration is invalid and their source of $60 chips that cost >$2000 USD in the US will run out at one point.
Yes the business regristration is extremely concerning - another valid point Inaba refuses to discuss. If they were a con, even a long con, they would have packed up and left long ago.ight not be legitimate? Incorrect assumption. They would hang around as long as possible while orders are still coming in. Are you ignorant or just another BFL shill - Im not sure. I'll make you a deal Mem: If I can prove, beyond a a shadow a doubt, that you have lied at least once in your conversations with me, will you concede that you are a liar and that you fabricate nearly everything you post? No because it is a ridiculous request made by a con artist - Are you seriously this unbalanced, its extremely concerning ? If I have lied, raise the specific point and correct me and I will gladly admit I was wrong - Does that sound fair you big man child ? I have made assumptions that have been wrong, shit happens this is indeed life. Unlike BFL Im prepared to discuss any point of contention in a civil manner. If you really believe that a single mistake invalidates all claims then BFL is a scam following the same logic. Poor Mem... caught between a rock and a hard place. Screwed if you do, screwed if you dont...  Prediction: "I have a life and you don't Nya nya. That's why I haven't responded to your childish 'challenge.' U r so stupid! lol!!11!" OK Im assuming you are in fact a child You make posts like that then claim you have "respect" my god your delusions are staggering. Or he'll try to play it off as trolling. Pic related.
Since I have only ever argued on facts available while doing my best to ignore Inaba's childish e-tantrums Id assume you are infact trolling. If not, prove me wrong and contribute meaningfully to this discussion.
NOW TO REITERATE ALL POINTS BFL & INABA STILL REFUSE TO ADDRESS
BFL is A Dishonest Company FACT, Quite Possibly A Scam.1) False advertising regarding shipping times from day 0 until current- FACT2) False advertising regarding Chips - Claims it is their own design, in fact they are reusing 2nd Hand Chips. - INABA AND BFL REFUSE TO DISPUTE THIS Burden of proof lies with BFL, currently they have 0 credibility due to previous lies as do you. All available information points to them using 2nd hand chips. 3) Accepts numerous pre-orders while being unable to meet delivery dates or production volume (Still stinks of a scam here). FACT4) Numerous BFL Shills plugging BFL on the forum FACT - You Inaba are now my prime example (please not the childish tantrums and abusive language repeatedly used). Inaba is an angry abusive idiot with 0 facts to support his outrageous claims. He has deep misunderstandings on debating and what the burden of proof is.
Inaba, if you can stop your childish displays long enough to address a point raised with counter arguments supported by facts then please do. Otherwise Im sure you will continue your childish display of frustration. Im not sure what this rock and hard place is, abuse from a frustrated child does not phase me - just another American with bad manners (hardly rare). Im sitting pretty really, BFL is running scared, the outright accuse people of being trolls for asking questions or just blunty ignoring them. Inaba is currently so unbalanced and spouting nonsense it makes countering him extremely easy - he spends more time discrediting himself via his embarrassing displays than anyone else. subbed !
Ok I just re-read one of Inaba's gems - he is either a Troll or the dumbest person online capable of typing. You might want to re-read the quote you made. The burden of proof is indeed upon the claimant. You are making claims, therefore the burden of proof is on you. Let me sum up our local WBC members mentality. Fundie Inaba> GOD EXISTS AND HATES FAGGOTS Atheist> How can you prove God exists Fundie Inaba> YOUR THE C*** MAKING THE CLAIMS FAGGOT - YOU PROVE HE DOES NOT. welcome back to my ignore list troll. |
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looking for a few reliable gamblers to test the sites in pending (my life has been a bit busy lately).
Quick play, then cash out while at a profit imho is a good and simple test of a new site.
Testing games for fairness is also encouraged, this only applies to games.
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I'm pleased to announce that the Satoshidice backend processing has been upgraded to a new system that uses a distributed transaction database stored on Amazon DynamoDB. It is thus far faster and importantly should be much more stable and less prone to inconsistencies taking down the system for hours at a time.
I have some further work to do. The next step is to have a few peer nodes that do nothing but pick up broadcast transactions and put them in the database. This will make the system quicker and more reliable in how it picks up pending bets.
nice work there |
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hit alibaba.com mate, you will find what you need. Otherwise someone else will and resell to you at a profit, if you dont mind this let me know |
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