BTW, who will test the boards for hashrate guarantee?

Is the refund in cash, or store credit? Mind, if you've paid with BitPay, there's already around 10% conversion loss from BTC -> EUR.

Very pity about the greedy assholes behind the cryptx name you mean?

Do take note that they gouge money out of us who are in a pinch to get at least something back from the Avalon fiasco, then turn around and use that money to build their own hashing farm to make sure we'll never even break even.

Every vendor seems set to screw everyone as hard as they can.

Why am I not surprised in the least?

Just a slight correction here: KNC is a new company which was founded just to make these bitcoin ASICs and miners. The old established company behind them is ORSoC. KNC can still fail (even though that is a remote possibility), but that won't hurt ORSoC since they're a separate entity.

I would buy "just one" too for the novelty value. These won't ever make their cost back, but I'd love to have one.

Agreed. There are quite a few BF based products coming very soon now. The primary differentiating factors now are
a) how cheaply a complete product can be made, and
b) how much juice one can get out of the chips.

Performance ties neatly into a) since if you can minimize the amount of chips used while still getting a decent hashrate, you can push price lower than competition. I would say simplicity at this point is key, not fancy pants features that just increase fail rate.

The chip is an interesting one, since it is very power efficient and apparently can be pushed to at least 4GH/s. I wonder how much more one could get by just die shrinking...

At that price there wouldn't be much point in buying. I'd guess 45-50 BTC would be a decent spot.

So it has 144 BF ASICs. At 22,5 eur per chip, the chip cost alone is 3240 euros without bulk discounts. If you manage to get 4 GHash/s from each chip (as burnin already has), we're looking at 576 GH/s. At maybe 4 W per chip, the full unit would be using around 600 Watts of power.

If you manage to price that competitively, I'm sure you will have sales. The pricing is what will decide if people want that or not. Time to market is essential at the moment though so don't take too long.

edit: If you manage to deliver in October, that unit should be able to mine 50-75 BTC between Oct and May, depending on, of course, how harshly the difficulty rises in the next year. That will leave some wiggle room in pricing, so if we deduct chip price, we're looking at maybe 3000-3500 euros ROI. Now you just need to decide how much you want from that 3k euros and how much the customer should get.

ROFL @ the price

You really either a) are greedy bastards or b) think everyone else is an idiot.

I'm sorry, I was asked to not divulge certain things in public, so that is what I do. Let's just say that people should stay calm and carry on. Burnin is quite busy at the moment I'd guess.

It bears mentioning again that burnin is not responsible for the price that cryptx demands for the boards. Direct all the fan mail at cryptx, not burnin.

Well that is just total bullshit. If the previous conduct by "cryptx" didn't worry people, this for sure should. What a class act they are!

You didn't lose much though. The hardware is overpriced because of a greedy distributor adding 40% margins.

He is just busy, so might not have time to answer each and every PM. Just give him time

Damn, I'm so happy I got out of this shithole mess that Avalon turned into. Now I have several orders pending with different manufacturers for a combined total of 3x the hashrate I'd have gotten with these Avalon chips... and I still have over 50% left of the refunded BTC.

Good times ahead.

That said, I feel for you guys who are still stuck with the fucktard Yifu

That's there just to make the product look better. Ignore the 80 Gh/s figure and pretend the spread is 40 - 64.

That aside, the price should have been 599 from the beginning. And you should have offered that guarantee from the very start. I asked about guarantees many times earlier, so why decide this late that you want to offer that? Did you get enough negative feedback already?

He is not just guessing.

Word. I'd rather pay high prices to burnin than the greedy middle man... even moreso now.

That explains a lot. Thanks for the information.

Yet another centralizer. No wonder things are going south. burnin, I have to say that the choice of your distributor has been, ehm, not so good.

IBTL.

Have some popcorn

ps. Nice derail

You. You didn't even know what that 70% meant until I told you. I repeat, go read up on the history behind this whole ordeal. Besides, you never stated you were talking about "fresh guys".