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1421  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The US government is targeting mixers. Are BTC mixers next? on: August 09, 2022, 08:47:44 PM
franky1 to me seems to be the stereotypical forum contrarian personality type.

Every forum has at least one famous contrarian...
1422  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The US government is targeting mixers. Are BTC mixers next? on: August 09, 2022, 08:20:56 PM
I wonder how the Elites are going to buy drugs & hookers, assuming they shut down all the loopholes in the system. With CBDCs? Yeah, right! Cheesy

Only socialist fools believe that you can change human nature. Not gonna happen, sorry. Accept human nature with its flaws and vices.
1423  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The US government is targeting mixers. Are BTC mixers next? on: August 09, 2022, 06:53:57 PM
Taxes fund the Great Reset agenda and corrupt governments that ruin the whole West.

Sorry, but I do NOT want to pay for that.
1424  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The US government is targeting mixers. Are BTC mixers next? on: August 09, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
The only problem with mixers is that exchanges will flag your funds suspicious, whether they're are or not.

With Monero I can deposit XMR on famous exchanges like Binance or Kraken and nobody will care...

Will they ask for KYC? Yeah.

Does it matter (for XMR, not BTC)? No, because tracing funds is not possible, so KYC is useless for privacy altcoins.

Privacy on the protocol level is not bad IMHO, it's just not very popular. And it might hinder BTC's institutional adoption, so it's unlikely to happen.

It's like comparing Linux with security extensions (SELinux) vs OpenBSD.

OpenBSD has those security extensions by default, like XMR has privacy by default.

Using mixers requires jumping hoops... LN is more user-friendly, but it's off-chain. Once you settle those funds on-chain, you're no longer truly anonymous.

I believe both BTC and XMR have a bright future ahead, but for different use cases.
1425  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The US government is targeting mixers. Are BTC mixers next? on: August 09, 2022, 05:24:23 PM
trying to hide gets you noticed more. your actions become the opposite of your intentions

Standard franky1 response, the forum's biggest enemy of freedom and privacy.  He's practically jizzing his pants at the prospect of Bitcoin becoming an authoritarian tool for surveillance, which is why he hates Mixers, the Lightning Network and any developers who believe privacy should be enshrined within the protocol.  I haven't checked, but it wouldn't surprise me if faketoshi has a similar stance on the subject.  Their views always seem to align.  Sinister and deceitful little shits, the pair of 'em.
I really don't understand why pro-establishment guys visit this forum, let alone post on it.

Bitcoin has a certain philosophy that attracts a certain target group... if you don't like it, why bother with it?

Maybe someone should register www.cbdctalk.org Grin
1426  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB - Towards the holy grail of cross-border payments on: August 09, 2022, 11:39:53 AM
Kiddo, you were in your dad's balls when I was a teenager (you probably don't even know what BBS means). I didn't start the personal arguments. You did. Be more polite next time (your very first post was rude for no apparent reason, admit it). M'kay?

I fulfilled my military service long before you did... the woke culture didn't exist back then. You seem to be a woke/Slava Ukraini kinda guy, I get it, we're not going to get along. I don't like people who support the corrupt establishment. Thank god I didn't live in a communist shithole like you did. Maybe that's why you fancy WEF's communist/socialist utopia? I'm against fascism, including the woke version of it.

Stop doing this shit, it doesn't work on me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

I'm not going to bother anymore with rude internet strangers that had a bad day at work. Get a life.

The only arrogant person here is the one who expects the West to never fall (like Rome did), not someone like me who remains humble and knows that nothing will last forever, not even the human species. You're not a God, accept your fate.

ps1: I'm not going to have any discussion with anyone who hasn't read this article, especially on BitcoinTalk:

https://brandonquittem.com/bitcoin-rhythms-of-history/

Forum discussions are meant to exchange knowledge. I'm not going to post it again, just because the majority uses smartphones and is too lazy to read.

The forum layout doesn't help either, it's very cumbersome, since there's no mobile theme...

ps2: If someone doesn't appreciate the knowledge I'm giving them for free and starts being ironic/rude for no apparent reason, I stop discussing with them.

There are 8 billion people on the planet and the majority isn't even worth the oxygen they're breathing... be valuable, appreciate the knowledge you're getting for free (while others have to pay for it) and then we can have a discussion.
1427  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB - Towards the holy grail of cross-border payments on: August 09, 2022, 09:20:47 AM
But this time for sure?
Because I've heard it in the 60s, in the 7s0, in the 80s capitalism was on its last legs, 2000 it was clear the west will burn and it will not get another decade, in 2008 we all knew it was doomed, in 2013 again doom, so seeing now it's 2022, this time is for sure?
For real, this is the last time when I pack my bags and wait for the apocalypse!
Cheap irony doesn't make you look smarter. Quite the opposite.

USD (as a global reserve currency) was 100 years old back in the 60s/70s/80s? Or was China a superpower back then?

Learn some proper math/history and then we can talk.

Also read this article, don't be lazy (mobile computing promotes laziness): https://www.brandonquittem.com/bitcoin-rhythms-of-history/

Yeah, quite funny, an article about how the Union is for sure going to be destroyed because Greece joined in a year that multiplied by 2 divided by 7 and multiplied again by the square root of the population of ancient troy reads 666, and 10 years since the article was written, again nothing.
The whole article misses on a crucial thing, Europe hasn't been at war for close to a century, Europe and no country with its border want war anymore, and wars and territorial ambitions were the ones that destroyed alliances and unions, trade, and economies.  
LMU doesn't look like Eurozone to you, with a different twist (bimetallic coins)?

To me it seems you don't want to be taught by history.

Also, the lack of (military) war made people lazy, arrogant and woke. Now it's time for a change.

Arrogance brings hubris and hubris brings nemesis...

Study some history and then we can have a proper discussion.

You remind me of arrogant Roman citizens, just a few years before the Roman Empire fell. All empires fall eventually. Only deniers don't accept this fact.
1428  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB - Towards the holy grail of cross-border payments on: August 08, 2022, 10:09:03 PM
Gold leaves tons of traces, but Bitcoin doesn't? Huh

I know plenty of gold heists where the criminals didn't leave a single trace...
1429  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB - Towards the holy grail of cross-border payments on: August 08, 2022, 06:48:53 PM
I wonder if it could be fair to say that bitcoin is backed by the electrical consumption of its mining sector. It certainly protects BTC's blockchain against 51% attacks and verifies the integrity of the entire system.
Definitely:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/100-years-ago-henry-ford-proposed-energy-currency-to-replace-gold

Nobody wastes electricity (which costs money) for nothing...
1430  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB - Towards the holy grail of cross-border payments on: August 08, 2022, 02:11:08 PM
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Disclaimer: This paper should not be reported as representing the views of the European Central Bank
(ECB). The views expressed are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect those of the ECB

Probably just to see what the public's reaction to the suggestion. 50+ pages but too shy to show.

Creating their own CBDC will also be subjected to whether its backed by something or not. And seem like they are not open to bring back gold on the table so yah BTC could be good.  But BTC is just too  volatile.

But why would they suddenly want BTC to be the reserve?  Did they ransack Satoshi's bag already?  I don't think they will approve if they don't have more than a million BTC.
That would require way more than 24 trillion euros.

Here's why: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCElR00WEAALu9Y?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

They will most likely settle for less than that...
1431  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB - Towards the holy grail of cross-border payments on: August 08, 2022, 01:35:12 PM
What's funny is that people think Eurozone is a wholly "new" experiment.

Spoiler alert: it's not new at all: https://mostlyeconomics.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/when-greece-exited-from-latin-american-union-in-1908/

History repeats itself every 100 years (1908/Latin Monetary Union, 2008/Lehman Brothers meltdown & Eurozone crisis).

Judging by that, I wouldn't be surprised if we return back to the Gold Standard (and maybe abandon it again later on). But this time the Gold Standard will be digitized thanks to BTC.

There's no reason to bother with gold anymore, since it's not as scarce as people think it is:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gold-production

BTC's emission schedule is the complete opposite. Wink
1432  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB - Towards the holy grail of cross-border payments on: August 08, 2022, 01:21:30 PM
Why would any government want to back a currency with Bitcoin?
It will happen when the whole West collapses and people will literally beg to return to something stable (Gold Standard 2.0 - Digital Transformation edition).

Sometime between 2026 and 2030: https://www.brandonquittem.com/bitcoin-rhythms-of-history/

Central banks will need to instill confidence to promote their CBDC shitcoin. Hell, ECB even said the digital euro will be capped to 1.5 trillion tokens.

Bitcoin is highly volatile
Because it's a new asset with only 1% of the global population using it.

Just like gold, it will stabilize (so less opportunities to gain/lose money) when 90% of the world adopts it.

while creating their own fiat currency would allow them to continue doing what all central banks are doing - stabilizing the currency against market volatility.
They can always start at a certain ratio (let's say 1:1) and later on they can water it down (1:10, 1:20, 1:50, 1:100). Fractional Reserve Banking 101.

If you study the history of ancient coins, you'll see that it has happened many times before (diluting the gold content in favor of silver and/or copper). It's a neat trick to fool the masses.

It's not a competitor to cryptocurrencies. It's just a government-owned payment network.
CBDCs were clearly inspired by cryptocurrencies.

There will be HUGE competition among various CBDCs for global domination...

Just imagine if one day China announces that they secretly hoarded BTC to build reserves (someone is buying en masse during the bear market and we don't know their identity, could also be Russia or someone else, we'll see in the future).

Don't you think that would instill confidence that e-yuan is more valuable than the e-dollar or e-euro?
1433  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: Είναι ευκαιρία να αγοράσεις bitcoin όταν πέφτει; on: August 08, 2022, 11:55:57 AM
https://katohika.gr/nea-taksi-pragmaton/i-atzenta-tis-megalis-epanekkinisis/

Η μόνη εναλλακτική που έχουμε:

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H Μεγάλη Αφύπνιση: η απάντηση στον απάνθρωπο κρυπτοσοσιαλισμό του Great Reset.

Το παρόν άρθρο διερευνά αυτές τις δυσμενείς επιπτώσεις και προσφέρει μια εναλλακτική προσέγγιση που βασίζεται στη χρήση των αρχών της Αυστριακής Σχολής Οικονομικών. Αυτή η εναλλακτική προσέγγιση στοχεύει στους ίδιους ευγενείς στόχους της Ατζέντας της Μεγάλης Επανεκκίνησης, ενώ παράλληλα αντιμετωπίζει τις σημαντικές αρνητικές επιπτώσεις της. Μπορούμε να αναφερθούμε σε αυτή την εναλλακτική προσέγγιση ως το Όραμα της Μεγάλης Αφύπνισης.

Μια εναλλακτική προσέγγιση, το Όραμα της Μεγάλης Αφύπνισης, είναι η χρήση των αρχών της Αυστριακής Σχολής Οικονομικών και των αρχών ενός περιβαλλοντικού κινήματος που ευθυγραμμίζεται με την Αυστριακή Σχολή, και ονομάζεται Περιβαλλοντισμός της Αγοράς. Η προσέγγιση αυτή δίνει έμφαση στην:

*Ευθυγράμμιση με την ανθρώπινη φύση – και όχι εναντίωση σε αυτήν.

*Διατήρηση των ελευθεριών όλων.

*Αξιοποίηση του υγιούς (μη πληθωριζόμενου) χρήματος και των ιδιοκτησιακών δικαιωμάτων.

*Προώθηση της άμεσης δημοκρατίας.

*Ελαχιστοποίηση της παρακολούθησης και του ελέγχου του πληθυσμού.

*Υποστήριξη της κοινωνίας και του περιβάλλοντος.


Η Αυστριακή Σχολή Οικονομικών

Η Αυστριακή Σχολή Οικονομικών είναι ένα σύνολο γνώσεων στην οικονομική σκέψη, που αναπτύχθηκε αρχικά το 1870 στη Βιέννη της Αυστρίας από μια ομάδα οικονομολόγων. Εκτός από το γεγονός ότι ξεκίνησε από εκεί, δεν έχει καμία σχέση με την χώρα της Αυστρίας. Οι ακόλουθοι της Αυστριακής Σχολής Οικονομικών (ASE) έχουν επιτύχει στην πρόβλεψη σημαντικών οικονομικών γεγονότων όπως η Μεγάλη Ύφεση, το στασιμοπληθωριστικό περιβάλλον της δεκαετίας του 1970, η χρηματιστηριακή φούσκα των ψηφιακών εταιρειών και η φούσκα των ακινήτων.

Η ASE δίνει έμφαση στα δικαιώματα ιδιοκτησίας, το υγιές χρήμα, τις ελάχιστες αποτελεσματικές ρυθμίσεις, την αποταμίευση και τις επενδύσεις, με ελάχιστο κρατικό χρέος και δανεισμό, και υποστηρίζει ότι οι αλλαγές πολιτικής που επιτρέπουν στις αγορές να λειτουργούν ελεύθερα οδηγούν σε οικονομική ανάπτυξη και δημιουργία πλούτου, ενώ οι παρεμβατικές πολιτικές δεν είναι φιλικές προς τις αγορές και οδηγούν σε οικονομική στασιμότητα και καταστροφή του πλούτου.

Μια βασική πτυχή της Αυστριακής Σχολής είναι η ευθυγράμμιση με την ανθρώπινη φύση – η εφαρμογή οικονομικών πολιτικών που αξιοποιούν τις θετικές πτυχές της ανθρώπινης φύσης για την ενθάρρυνση και την ενδυνάμωση της οικονομίας μέσω της πρωτοβουλίας, της καινοτομίας και της επιχειρηματικότητας.
Υπενθυμίζω ότι κάποιοι εξ ημών μια χαρά είχαμε προβλέψει την κρίση του 2022 το 2020, αλλά οι αριστερόστροφοι πιστοί της σχολής Keynes δήλωναν αρνητές της πραγματικότητας... it's their loss!
1434  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges on: August 07, 2022, 08:03:41 PM
Yes, it is. The fact that you can trace UTXOs is a limitation of the open blockchain. If Bitcoin had a blockchain like Monero's, amounts are hidden and a coin's history is hidden as well, through technology (cryptography).
I like Monero's tech solution (opaque ledger), but there are certain cases where I want a transparent ledger (like BTC's) to exist.

MtGox hackers were real criminals and it makes sense to trace stolen funds. They could easily get away with it if BTC was like XMR and I don't think BTC devs will ever implement a hard fork (too risky for such a valuable asset, which might become adopted by institutional investors one day).

Someone who is against corrupt governments/WEF is NOT a criminal, but they can "paint" him as a criminal/enemy of the state... in this case, it's better to use XMR and not BTC.

Last time I checked, Binance (biggest exchange) still has XMR listed. Kraken also has it.

There's also TradeOgre (no KYC needed) where you can exchange XMR for something else (BTC and whatnot) and atomic swaps (kinda like DEX) on a Monero wallet.

So far the establishment hasn't done a lot to ban it... why? Because CBDCs don't exist (yet), so the masses have no reason to adopt cryptos (BTC & Lightning, XMR, ZEC, BEAM etc.)

We'll see in 2025 and beyond...
1435  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges on: August 07, 2022, 07:03:28 PM
There's tons of hypocrisy from the establishment in nearly every aspect.

They enforce KYC on crypto exchanges, even though nobody really needs it (where's the benefit for users? zero/nada).

They don't enforce KYC on social media (FB, Twitter, IG etc.), even though they're rife with alt/scam accounts.

Why is that? Because if they enforced KYC there, MAU stats would drop like flies.

It's no wonder Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter after all...

Enforce KYC and then we'll see who is real and who isn't. In China there are bot farms where you can buy paid followers, likes etc.

ps: They could "taint" BTC even more if Russia decides to adopt it for gas exports. Suddenly it would become a... "terrorism" tool. Roll Eyes

In reality, ECB would have to print trillions of euros to build BTC reserves and nobody from the WEF clique (Lagarde/Ursula) wants that.
1436  Economy / Speculation / Re: I do believe that Bitcoin will be more scarce than gold on: August 07, 2022, 09:52:53 AM
Gold has had a good run for 5000 years, but now it's time for something new...

Whenever the human species becomes interplanetary (space colonies), I believe we will need a new coin that won't be affected by latency (speed of light), assuming we will want to have interplanetary trade. TCP/IP cannot work with several minutes of latency (even for a Mars colony).

Bitcoin won't be able to fulfill that role, but it's unlikely to establish interplanetary colonies for the next 100-200 years. BTC hodlers can have peace of mind until then. Smiley
1437  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: Είναι ευκαιρία να αγοράσεις bitcoin όταν πέφτει; on: August 06, 2022, 08:21:22 PM
Πριν 1-2 χρόνια κάποιοι γράφαμε ότι θα έρθει υψηλός πληθωρισμός (λόγω QE) και αυτό θα βολέψει αφάνταστα τις κυβερνήσεις για να «ροκανίσουν» υπογείως το κρατικό χρέος (θυσιάζοντας παράλληλα τους πολίτες τους, αφού μαζί ροκανίζονται ΚΑΙ μισθοί/συντάξεις).

Βέβαια ο κοσμάκης δεν έδινε σημασία, μας θεωρούσαν τρελούς/ψεκασμένους... μπα σου λέει, γιατί να έρθει διψήφιος πληθωρισμός; Αφού δεν έχουμε δραχμή!

Ε, για διαβάστε τα τώρα από τον επίσημο/συστημικό τύπο:

https://www.ot.gr/2022/07/28/oikonomia/o-apo-mixanis-theos-pou-meiose-to-elliniko-xreos/

Ας είναι καλά τα κορόιδα που αγοράζουν κρατικά ομόλογα με αποδόσεις της πλάκας (επειδή τα θεωρούν «ασφαλή»), έναντι του «ανασφαλούς» BTC με πολύ υψηλότερες αποδόσεις σε βάθος χρόνου. Cheesy
1438  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges on: August 06, 2022, 07:52:06 PM
Just imagine what will happen when food supplies dry up and fiat currencies go down the gutter (could happen this winter, especially with EUSSR's failed currency)... how are people going to feed themselves and their families/children? Survival instincts (reptilian brain) will kick in!

But wait, WEF has a savior to feed us all (yay, moar safety!):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/01/14/americas-biggest-owner-of-farmland-is-now-bill-gates-bezos-turner/

Why do you think Bill Gates has bought so much land?

1) It's a good hedge against inflation (limited land >>> unlimited USD)

2) He gains a huge leverage over people:

No more meat for you? No worries, Uncle Bill is gonna give you soy "meat"... but only if you're a good boy/girl (whatever gender you prefer, there are hundreds of them Grin) and you accept CBDCs, UBI and social credit score. Wink

This motherfucker predicted the COVID plandemic back in 2015 and at the same time he started buying tons of farmland...

WEF's Great Reset agenda exists at least since 2016:

https://twitter.com/wef/status/808328302213689344

You better tell me if that's a coincidence or not. Roll Eyes

These motherfuckers are not sheeple at all, they have long-term plans and they're willing to wait as long as it takes to implement them.
1439  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [Blacklist] of unreliable, 'taint proclaiming' Bitcoin services / exchanges on: August 06, 2022, 07:20:19 PM
In the future they will freeze your CBDC funds if you have a low social credit score...
Absolutely.
Can't imagine how capricious it'll be to get rated in such score system. Like, how low can we reach? Absolutely terrifying.

And the worst part is that most people are going to sleepwalk straight into it.  It's like the masses are completely oblivious to the ever-creeping threat of fascism.
Safety > freedom (for the masses/sheeple)

People are inherently insecure* (their biggest fear is death/starvation, hence why the "pandemic" narrative was so successful from the get-go), so they're going to flock to whomever promises "safety". The "stay safe" slogan is NOT a coincidence! Wink

* this was imprinted on our genes tens of thousands of years ago (Homo Sapiens emerged in 200.000 BCE), since ancient people had endless freedom, but lack of security and no guaranteed food supplies

As soon as civilization & farming was invented back in 10.000 BCE, people willingly exchanged their freedom (hunter gatherer lifestyle) for safety/security (and worse/inferior food, like wheat compared to meat).



1440  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: Μην χρησιμοποιείτε centralized exchanges! on: August 06, 2022, 07:05:25 PM
https://www.enikonomia.gr/my-money/tekmiria-diaviosis-aftos-einai-o-oros/394871/

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Τεκμήρια διαβίωσης: Πώς θα καταργηθούν
Η κατάργηση των τεκμηρίων διαβίωσης ενδέχεται να γίνει σε δύο στάδια:

Στο πρώτο να μειωθούν κατά 50% το 2024
Και το 2025 θα καταργηθούν πλήρως.

Ding-ding! Τι είπαμε ότι έρχεται εκεί γύρω στο 2025; Wink

Μας το παίζουν δήθεν καλοί ότι τα καταργούν, αλλά δεν μας λένε ποιός θα είναι ο αντικαταστάτης... Roll Eyes
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