Κάτι έχεις καταλάβει λάθος. Το KYC (αν και είναι θεωρητικά λύση στο να καταπολεμηθούν τα bot farms) δεν προτείνεται από κανέναν λογικό άνθρωπο που να ξέρω, για να μειωθούν τα bots. Λύσεις υπάρχουν αλλά δεν υλοποιούνται γιατί υπάρχουν συμφέροντα όπως είπες. Μία λύση (η αγαπημένη μου) είναι να στέλνουμε ένα μικρό ποσό sats κάθε φορά που είτε στέλνουμε μήνυμα είτε υποβάλουμε ποστ. Άλλη λύση είναι τα captchas (αλλά με τέτοια ραγδαία ανάπτυξη της νοημοσύνης των Η/Υ, θα γίνει δύσκολο για τον μέσο άνθρωπο).
Παλιότερα για να αντιμετωπιστεί το email spam σκέφτηκαν το Proof-of-Work (που να ήξεραν αργότερα που θα χρησιμοποιούταν). Κάτι τέτοιο όμως δεν θα δουλέψει, γιατί ο μέσος άνθρωπος με το κινητό δεν μπορεί να ανταγωνιστεί τον hacker με τα ASICs που θα πουλάει για πλάκα τα accounts με το κιλό. Οπότε χρησιμοποιούμε το "νόμισμα του Proof-of-Work", AKA "bitcoin", ΑΚΑ "ο hacker διασφαλίζει την μείωση των bots".
Το KYC θα κάνει τα πράγματα πολύ χειρότερα, γιατί τη στιγμή που θα υλοποιηθεί, τότε θα σταματήσει να υπάρχει ανωνυμία στα social. Και είμαι σίγουρος πως πολλοί θέλουν ανωνυμία στα social. Απλό παράδειγμα (υπάρχουν άπειροι), PlanB.
Μάλλον έχει καταλάβει λάθος ο Saylor τότε: https://twitter.com/saylor/status/1576297909993484290Μιλάει για εφάπαξ πληρωμή 100k sats ανά λογαριασμό (υπερβολικό το βρίσκω σαν ποσό, αλλά θα μπορούσε να μειωθεί). Και επειδή είναι κώλος και βρακί με τον Musk (που αγόρασε το Twitter), ποιός ξέρει τι ετοιμάζουν...  ΥΓ: Μου έρχονται vibes από ID 2020. Ο δε Musk προωθεί και το Neuralink. Συμπτώσεις (θέλω να πιστεύω)... |
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There is only one possibility of US collapse if the EU joins hands with China and Russia, but that will never happen. US will collapse when China invades Taiwan (because -TSMC- reasons)... there's nothing Uncle Sam can do about that. Any counterattack will instigate WW3. |
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We will switch to this:  Commodities (such as wheat, oil, gas, gold, copper etc.) will be priced in sats. That's the endgame of BTC. |
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Και εξηγούμαι: 1) Όταν έχεις BTC στην κατοχή σου, σε συμφέρει να αγοράσεις ΙΧ (δεν λέω για Lambo που έχει γίνει meme  , αλλά γενικά); Το ΙΧ εξ' ορισμού ανήκει στο παθητικό, είναι liability. Είναι κάτι που σου τρώει συνεχώς χρήμα (συντήρηση, σέρβις, ασφάλειες, καύσιμα κλπ). Δεν είναι επένδυση/asset (εκτός κι αν μιλάμε για τίποτα συλλεκτικό/αντίκα ή αν το δουλεύεις ως ταξί). Άρα γιατί να αγοράσω ΙΧ με τα BTC μου; Γιατί να μην το νοικιάσω;Μήπως λοιπόν το BTC βοηθάει έμμεσα στο "you'll own nothing and be happy"; 2) Δεν ξέρω πόσοι έχετε δει την πρόταση των Elon Musk/Michael Saylor να φέρουν KYC στα social media (Twitter) και μάλιστα με όχημα το BTC (να πληρώνεις ένα Χ ποσό σε sats, έτσι ώστε ο scammer/impersonator να το σκεφτεί διπλά πριν ανοίξει 6000 alt accounts και να στήσει bot farm όπως κάνουν στην Ασία). Προσωπικά αμφιταλαντεύομαι αν είναι καλή ιδέα ή όχι. Αφενός έχω κουραστεί με όσους κάνουν κατάχρηση της ανωνυμίας στο διαδίκτυο (μιλάω για όσους έχουν πολλαπλούς λογαριασμούς), αλλά από την άλλη δεν θέλω να πάμε σε δυστοπικά μονοπάτια... πάντα έχω στον νου μου το "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Είμαι σχεδόν βέβαιος ότι το internet του 2030-2040 θα είναι πολύ διαφορετικό από το σημερινό. Όπως και το σημερινό είναι πολύ διαφορετικό από το internet του 2000-2010. Προσοχή: δεν λέω να γράφουμε όλοι με ονοματεπώνυμο στο διαδίκτυο (όπως συμβαίνει στο Facebook συνήθως, αν και εκεί υπάρχουν μπόλικα ψεύτικα accounts). Λέω να γράφει ο κόσμος με ψευδώνυμο (εφόσον θέλει έτσι), αλλά να ΜΗΝ μπορεί να ανοίγει πολλαπλά accounts για πλάκα ή για παραπλάνηση. Να ξέρει ο καθένας ότι πίσω από τον cryptosize (που θέλει να συνεχίσει να γράφει ως cryptosize) υπάρχει ένα πραγματικό, ταυτοποιημένο πρόσωπο και ΟΧΙ ένα bot! Έγινα κατανοητός; Γνωρίζω γιατί οι εταιρίες δεν θέλουν να κόψουν τα ψεύτικα accounts (ενώ μπορούν). Αν διαβάσει όμως κανείς τον Συμμετοχικό Καπιταλισμό του Σβαμπ, θα δει ότι πρεσβεύει την ιδέα του να μην είναι ο τζίρος (ΑΕΠ/κεφαλαιοποίηση) το Νο1 metric για την επιτυχία μιας επιχείρησης. Άρα ίσως στα πλαίσια του ESG να εγκαταλείψουν το κυνήγι του MAU και να καθιερώσουν KYC... Προσωπικά πάντα το έλεγα ότι το KYC δεν προσφέρει κάτι στο user experience των cryptos. Μπορεί να προσφέρει όμως στην καταπολέμηση των alt accounts. Το internet φτιάχτηκε αναρχικό και ανώνυμο, αλλά δυστυχώς πολλοί το εκμεταλλεύονται αυτό. Πόσοι spammers υπάρχουν και εδώ μέσα και στο Instagram/Twitter/Reddit που στέλνουν μηνύματα με απάτες; Αυτά ως προβληματισμοί μήπως το BTC παίζει κάποιο ρόλο «λαγού» για το σύστημα. Το έχω ξαναπεί ότι το σύστημα θα βρει τρόπους να καπελώσει ακόμα και μια αναρχική εφεύρεση, με τρόπους που ίσως δεν φανταζόμαστε (ακόμα)! ΥΓ: Τα ίδια (λογική ώριμου φρούτου) έχουν γίνει και σε άλλους χώρους: π.χ. δημόσιες επιχειρήσεις (όπως η ΔΕΗ). Τι κάνουν εκεί; Αφήνουν οι πολιτικοί να γίνει μια ΔΕΚΟ μπάτε σκύλοι αλέστε, ο κόσμος νευριάζει με την κακοδιαχείριση και σου λέει κάντε τα όλα ιδιωτικά! Τα αποτελέσματα ("the road to hell is paved with good intentions") τα βλέπουμε σήμερα... Οπότε δεν το αποκλείω επίτηδες να αφήνουν να γίνει μπουρδελέ ολέ το διαδίκτυο, να απηυδήσει ο κόσμος και να πει «φέρτε KYC εδώ και τώρα!». Και αυτό μπορεί να έχει unintended consequences (όπως λέει ο Jordan Peterson). Σε έναν ιδανικό κόσμο δεν θα υπήρχαν alt accounts/scammers/spammers... |
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Only the Great Reset masterminds can stop it.
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tryingtolearn from... Varoufakis? |
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I will get a heart attack if I don't manage to accumulate another BTC before the next bull run! |
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Monero is still listed in Binance and Kraken (very popular exchanges).
There's also TradeOgre (no KYC needed) if you wanna exchange XMR for BTC or vice versa.
But yeah, I agree that if BTC became like XMR, it would be delisted by many exchanges, which means less trading volume, which means lower price.
It's probably the same reason BTC devs don't want to adopt an ASIC-resistant algo. ASIC mining makes it harder to mine for the average joe, so it becomes more scarce and thus more valuable.
During the CPU/GPU mining era it was a lot cheaper, since you could just do it with a regular PC.
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An organized society of 8 billion people easily exists if the highest form of government is the individual family. It's when groups of families start electing higher forms of government that we start to have trouble.  So you believe that money is not needed at all (including BTC)? A family ain't gonna produce all the products you need... including the electronic device you're typing your posts from. What is money? Until a person realizes that money is anything of value (perceived value) that can be traded for something else of value, he has a mistaken view of what money is. When people focus their idea of money on some particular item - like paper dollars or credit cards - they are opening themselves up to being harmed by those who recognize what money really is, and who set themselves up in positions of controlling cash and cards. Where is the money exchange between us as we use the computers and this forum? It is in the value of the things that we say in our posts. If you don't think that your posts are things of value, then why do you post them? But if you think that they have value, recognize that you are trading in money in a simple conversation between members... value for value. If you wanna send me some sats for my posts, I won't object. The value is right in the posts that I return to you. What are you doing on this forum if you don't acknowledge BTC to be a valid form of money?  |
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Καλά θα πάει κι αυτό:  Έχει να πάει το "Reset" γόνα! Με τα CBDCs που υποτίθεται θα λύσουν το θέμα της φοροδιαφυγής, θα σου κοπανάει το κράτος όση φορολογία γουστάρει, η κεντρική τράπεζα αρνητικά επιτόκια (στις καταθέσεις, όχι στα δάνεια!), οπότε ή που θα το κλείσεις το μαγαζάκι (αυτό θέλουν) ή θα προσαρμοστείς σε... άλλα μονοπάτια.  |
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An organized society of 8 billion people easily exists if the highest form of government is the individual family. It's when groups of families start electing higher forms of government that we start to have trouble. So you believe that money is not needed at all (including BTC)? A family ain't gonna produce all the products you need... including the electronic device you're typing your posts from. What is money? Until a person realizes that money is anything of value (perceived value) that can be traded for something else of value, he has a mistaken view of what money is. When people focus their idea of money on some particular item - like paper dollars or credit cards - they are opening themselves up to being harmed by those who recognize what money really is, and who set themselves up in positions of controlling cash and cards. Where is the money exchange between us as we use the computers and this forum? It is in the value of the things that we say in our posts. If you don't think that your posts are things of value, then why do you post them? But if you think that they have value, recognize that you are trading in money in a simple conversation between members... value for value. If you wanna send me some sats for my posts, I won't object. |
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Money enables, yes. However, in the US and lots of places in Europe, there are women we would call 'sluts'. Most of them are young... late teens and early twenties. But some are quite young... barely into their teens... who do it for the experience. Many of them are hoping for a family later on, and have never been taught about honor, and the honorable way of doing things. Many others are doing it for the self-gratification a young person gets from having a youthful, healthy body, and feeling soooo good with the experience. It isn't really prostitution. But it might be way worse. If a good and honorable guy or gal wants to find someone who is virgin, how in the world can he figure out if he has one or not? Go with a person for a year without sex. If they are willing to "last" that long, maybe they are for real. Even sluts will not fuck every single man they meet on the street. They are selective to a certain degree. Prostitutes don't get to be selective. They are forced to have sex, since they get money for doing it. It's a job, just like serving meals in McDonalds. Would you serve an unpleasant person if you didn't get a salary for it? I know I wouldn't. That was my whole point... it wasn't that hard to figure it out. Money enables people to do things they would never do otherwise.An organized society of 8 billion people is impossible to exist without money (any form of money, USD, BTC, whatever). Small tribes of 150 people? Yeah, those exist in Andaman islands for example. But they're not the majority anymore. We don't live in 50.000 BCE. An organized society of 8 billion people easily exists if the highest form of government is the individual family. It's when groups of families start electing higher forms of government that we start to have trouble. So you believe that money is not needed at all (including BTC)? A family ain't gonna produce all the products you need... including the electronic device you're typing your posts from. |
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I dont know which culture and society supports prostitution
There are more disadvantages than advantages of this profession - and at the end these women has so much psychological and physical problems that they have to leave all this to go to an isolated life.
If money/capitalism didn't exist, would they do it? Would they have sex with tons of strangers just for fun? Nobody has answered this... My answer: Money enables prostitution to exist. Women would NOT do it for free. They have no benefit to do so. Money enables, yes. However, in the US and lots of places in Europe, there are women we would call 'sluts'. Most of them are young... late teens and early twenties. But some are quite young... barely into their teens... who do it for the experience. Many of them are hoping for a family later on, and have never been taught about honor, and the honorable way of doing things. Many others are doing it for the self-gratification a young person gets from having a youthful, healthy body, and feeling soooo good with the experience. It isn't really prostitution. But it might be way worse. If a good and honorable guy or gal wants to find someone who is virgin, how in the world can he figure out if he has one or not? Go with a person for a year without sex. If they are willing to "last" that long, maybe they are for real. Even sluts will not fuck every single man they meet on the street. They are selective to a certain degree. Prostitutes don't get to be selective. They are forced to have sex, since they get money for doing it. It's a job, just like serving meals in McDonalds. Would you serve an unpleasant person if you didn't get a salary for it? I know I wouldn't. That was my whole point... it wasn't that hard to figure it out. Money enables people to do things they would never do otherwise.An organized society of 8 billion people is impossible to exist without money (any form of money, USD, BTC, whatever). Small tribes of 150 people? Yeah, those exist in Andaman islands for example. But they're not the majority anymore. We don't live in 50.000 BCE. |
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I want someone to answer this question honestly:
Would there be porn and prostitution WITHOUT money/capitalism?
Would women do it for free?
And no, I don't mean having sex just for fun with men of their preference.
You should first know that prostitution solely involves the solicitation of sexual services for money. There are male prostitutes as well. If women or men do it for free, money doesn’t change hands and therefore can’t be regarded as such. Do you ask questions like this for the fun of it? I am not in favor of prostitution; I am against it. However... We could all avoid a lot of interference by government in money affairs if we simply did this. Set up a trust or corporation or LLC to own our money. We ourselves would be the controller or trustee or president. We would have wording in the 'entity' which gave us the ability to transfer the control to someone else. Simply transfer the control to somebody else when we want to buy something. The artificial entity still has the money; there was no exchange of money for anything. Since the 'entity' is considered to be a person by government, there isn't any personal tax to it for exchanging money. And, there isn't any regulation for doing nothing. Many rich people use this method all the time to avoid taxation legally. This shows that power is greater than money. I dont know which culture and society supports prostitution There are more disadvantages than advantages of this profession - and at the end these women has so much psychological and physical problems that they have to leave all this to go to an isolated life. If money/capitalism didn't exist, would they do it? Would they have sex with tons of strangers just for fun? Nobody has answered this... My answer: Money enables prostitution to exist. Women would NOT do it for free. They have no benefit to do so. |
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$200 is peanuts, unless you live in Venezuela perhaps...? I mean, come on, Michael Saylor has billions in stake on BTC and he's cool like ice. Why can't you be the same with only 200 bucks? Seriously, it sounds ridiculous as fuck! Get over it. Learn to have patience and discipline. It's not gambling (unless you want it to be). |
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