Moderators cannot check IP's unfortunately, although we would like to do so. You'll have to contact theymos on that. How did you get his address?  I'll contact theymos and ask if he is willing to look in to this. Found a blog, evidently by him (ZeroSaw + Victor): http://0saw.blogspot.com/I'd like to know what BNSS is, so I can let them know he's a scumbag and a thief. Collect Cert!
I just received the letter that was provided by myself from BNSS! I need da collect my cert but this is my last week working so i wanna work all day leh. Siens. See how ba Evidently, he's pretty big into League of Legends: http://www.lolbase.net/eu/ZeroSawAnd WoW: http://www.wowprogress.com/character/eu/onyxia/Zerosaw/build_changeDate of birth: December 10 He has a buy order in at BC Changer: http://bcchanger.com/order/2662Interestingly, BC Changer lists most of his IP: 115.66.58.xxx Doesn't match any of the IP's I have on record though. The 220.255.XXX.XXX appeared to be a proxy of some sort, and that was the IP he always used to log into the forum. Although, I had forgotten to gather IPs from when he connected to the gameserver itself: 152.226.228.77 152.226.232.79 115.66.58.71 152.226.233.14 152.226.226.93 152.226.232.180 152.226.228.35 152.226.226.63 152.226.226.104 115.66.58.99 115.66.252.20 111.65.28.8 Another blog! Did he forget the password of this one or something? http://zerosawv.blogspot.com/Last note: He is a compulsive gambler. Seems like every single bitpenny he earned went to either SatoshiDice or BitMillions. |
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Met with my first scammer on the Minecraft Bitcoin payout... turns out, Teo had signed up for several forum accounts to gather Bitcoin payouts from several players that were not him. He's been caught scamming by attempting to receive payouts on the activity generated by other players on the server! I have now safeguarded against this by requiring the forum name to match the in-game name in order to receive payouts. Full information below. I assume he has a user account on bitcointalk, but I wasn't able to find any users via searching his email address or username. Moderators, can you search via IP address to find out if he has an account here, and what username it might be? Teo's known addresses: 1ETkDsycUR7im8PVPoDY5qPqCojhg9Qr7R 18yhs29PeTMYpmg4s9BXn5b7jzxfkwPQ3M 18vPxYjXCV46NMGDdyLA23zBRZ63jADR96 15LRvvVyFWwNPK2fLQXhDTQwSbbSRFLSgs 1P1ee56QqX1CYB5ddsot5Ne82LHycBkgUj 1ETKfxbwfMhUC8g3FmMtscRQgDDA7Pjj85 1FzW22RbNjH6P6M4e4jxDhzTVgBDoGmZVe 12m14dpr4yQu1Ln8fEKdMqD8HqYWEBbtZN 1JsAD4QLgB8ZUWyVcpfuCAzNAJpWBG9HUJ 1DpuVUW2nWLbXDzb3myrnWR31mFjwRpMEr 1P1ee56QqX1CYB5ddsot5Ne82LHycBkgUj 1Luicmwp1SqLtAbzK5ZRDga6Ykf2CjqfBM 15LRvvVyFWwNPK2fLQXhDTQwSbbSRFLSgs 16yGqKxQzXwsadH5MBxvXMymprXjCActJW 1LKcS7CpPPg21YdozGKn9Y8bnfxWrayGQC 1DFM5xaTehKir9rFDSZGdrUj8fnEjoUxAn 1Mwj23eJybyC678mNMUiVxkrFsXhDL7jVT 13Kebokvxh3dwCNDDnkJtWF6RynfErM3EQ 1rAUTG99aMaSSkULZ9YHCu8VGJd8obJq5 Other MinecraftCC usernames he used: ZeroSaw thwomp lov3min3 CatWithHands fallingdown123 calok47 stevie3838 Other IP addresses: 199.229.232.42 217.147.94.149 134.255.247.88 184.154.116.156 220.255.*.* (various) Email: zerosaw@hotmail.comName/address: Teo Victor Bedok Reservoir Rd Blk 108 #11-308 Singapore 470108 |
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So tell me, why, exactly, the price in BTC that is ONLY shown on the invoice should somehow supercede the price that is shown EVERYWHERE, the invoice included?
It doesn't supersede! Both are equally valid if there are 2 prices in 2 different currencies shown on the invoice! Alright buddy, you keep believing that. Let us know when you get a court to agree with you. |
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No, it's not priced in Bitcoins. If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the homepage It doesn't matter what is on the homepage. Only thing that matters is what's on the invoice. Invoice is the commercial document! Learn your lesson, buddy! You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins. That was simply the method of payment. Method of payment is paying by credit card, bank wire, paypal, check. You use a method of payment to transfer currency. Looking at bitcoin.org only definition I see is: An open source P2P digital currency. Bitcoin is a currency, a protocol, and a software... Where can I read that bitcoin is a method of paying $US? Guess what else is on the invoice? The price they are selling the unit for. In USD. So tell me, why, exactly, the price in BTC that is ONLY shown on the invoice should somehow supercede the price that is shown EVERYWHERE, the invoice included? |
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I'm not saying that you have to like it. Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4. You're being intentionally dense. And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math? $1300 is $1300. You ordered a unit for $1300, paying for it with Bitcoins. You can receive a refund of $1300, either in USD or Bitcoins. You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins. That was simply the method of payment. It simply is not true. I've already proved it to you. It WAS and still IS priced in bitcoins as well. I don't give wishful examples. I give proof! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393No, it's not priced in Bitcoins. If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the homepage: "Now Available for Order: 60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner - 150 BTC" NOT "Now Available for Order: 60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner - $1,299" If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the product order page: "60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner, BitForce Single SC, 150 BTC" NOT "60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner, BitForce Single SC, $1,299.00" The number of BTC paid is only shown on the invoice because they HAVE to show it SOMEWHERE if that is your payment method. It doesn't mean that the units are priced in BTC - only that BTC is a payment option for the units priced in USD. You are seriously out of your mind. |
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Bottom line is, I always make sure to store any Bitcoin backups of significant value in at least two ways, to protect against one of those failing.
It's a legitimate argument that multiple backup/deep-store techniques create multiple failure modes as well. I won't argue on way or the other. One's security regime is a personal choice. Probably the best advice would be to simply understand Bitcoin (or whatever) well then tailor a solution which fits one's situation. And then keep one's mouth mainly shut about it.Heh, this is key too. Security through obscurity DOES have merit (just maybe not in computer code). |
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I'm not saying that you have to like it. Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4. You're being intentionally dense. And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math? $1300 is $1300. You ordered a unit for $1300, paying for it with Bitcoins. You can receive a refund of $1300, either in USD or Bitcoins. You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins. That was simply the method of payment. |
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The problem with using hardware is that it changes and it could fail due to heat or moisture or rust or...
Download vanitygen and create a public and private key.
Write them down or etch them into metal or stamp it into something, etc.
Send your BTC to the public address and you are all set.
You could even scratch the private key into a rock and bury it in your yard or whichever. Etch it into the foundation in your home. Carve it into the wall in the closet then cover with wall paper...
plenty of options for just saving a string of characters
No one method is failsafe. Metal can be stolen or lost. Locations of rocks can be forgotten, or they can be covered with a new supermarket 20 years from now. Foundations can be destroyed in an earthquake. Closet walls can be destroyed in a fire. Bottom line is, I always make sure to store any Bitcoin backups of significant value in at least two ways, to protect against one of those failing. |
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After a complete month of feedback and improvements, there it is! Our v1.0 is alive. http://bitcoin.org/I should come back soon with translation guidelines. If you want to make new improvements, feel free to fork the github repository and take the feedback of the community about your changes. So excellent. Well done, good sir. |
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Would be funny if he did; and repaid the student loan in 20 days  Bought a camaro with the change. I think at this point (current price) I can pretty much pay off all my student loans and my husband's car as well, but somehow I feel like that would be a stupid thing to do   Better hold on to the rest of them and see where it goes! |
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Is there any way to buy physical bitcoin and have it flown offshore to a private vault ala gold ? Yes, you can them on ebay. Physical Casascius Bitcoins  The only "problem" is that you have to trust the guy who makes them. But given that there's $5M worth of coins that have been sold, and I haven't heard of problems with a single one of them, I'd say he's built a nice reputation for himself at this point. |
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He said he took out a $6k non-student loan for it. So, yeah... good call OP.
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On topic: Please do file a lawsuit. I would love to laugh at it.
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No, it doesn't. However, having that liability settled does.
No. It doesn't. You can't get blood from a stone. You're fucking stupid. You're essentially saying that society is the group that must pay in the event of one person's lack of personal responsibility affecting another person. I disagree. I say that people should acquire insurance on their own free will that would protect them from the lack of personal responsibility of others. A great example of this is called "Uninsured Motorist" coverage. Granted, one could certainly argue that the cost of this insurance would go up quite readily in the absence of a requirement to have motorist insurance, but at least people would have the freedom to choose what risks they want to take in that regard. Also, bankruptcy is a cop out. If you owe someone money, you pay it, even if it takes the rest of your life to do so. Insurance is society paying. Best to make uninsured motorist coverage mandatory if insurance isn't. You're arguing that people should do this and that, without understanding the true meaning and context of 'should'. Insurance is society paying BY CHOICE. Nothing needs to be mandatory. If a person can't pay their medical bills, they don't get served by the medical community. They can turn to charity and other help groups if they like, at that point. |
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No, it doesn't. However, having that liability settled does.
No. It doesn't. You can't get blood from a stone. You're fucking stupid. You're essentially saying that society is the group that must pay in the event of one person's lack of personal responsibility affecting another person. I disagree. I say that people should acquire insurance on their own free will that would protect them from the lack of personal responsibility of others. A great example of this is called "Uninsured Motorist" coverage. Granted, one could certainly argue that the cost of this insurance would go up quite readily in the absence of a requirement to have motorist insurance, but at least people would have the freedom to choose what risks they want to take in that regard. Also, bankruptcy is a cop out. If you owe someone money, you pay it, even if it takes the rest of your life to do so. |
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As long as BFL is giving refunds when asked, you will have a tough time proving your damages in court.
You could try to argue that you have "consequential or expectancy" (different courts use the terms interchangeably even though they have different meanings), in that if BFL had delivered when they first said they would you would have made more $ because of the lower difficulty. That argument would likely fail for a dozen reasons though.
Otherwise you could try to argue that BFL has violated the FTC rules regarding preorders. But what is that going to get you? Nominal damages? (I haven't read the statute to see if the statute defines damages, but I would imagine it doesn't.) So congratulations. You just spent tens of thousands of $'s to win $1-$5 in nominal damages.
So I would wait until you have actually been damaged by BFL before filing suit. A damage the court would recognize would be if they refused to give you a refund after asking for one. And this would be easy to prove as well.
(I didn't completely read OP before posting this) So after doing so, here's an addendum:
The court is going to laugh you out of the courtroom if you try to argue that you should have received the same amount of BTC in your refund that you sent in. There are numerous cases dealing with the stock market and currency fluctuations that reject that argument. You are entitled to the same "value" denominated in USD that you sent in. You would receive a windfall profit otherwise, and the courts despise giving a plaintiff more than they lost.
Thank you for adding some sensibility to this thread. |
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Two days ago, after reading the FinCEN ruling, and knowing how many companies were waiting for some sort of legal ruling on Bitcoin before using it, and then further reading about the Cyprus situation, I told my wife we'd see Bitcoins over $100 within a week. Seems like that might not be so far-fetched after all...
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Neat how far it has come. Here are the top all time stories for it: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/top/?sort=top&t=allHas Bruce Wagner pulled off the biggest financial scam on the bitcoin community? Buttcoin explores the legal past of Bitcoin's biggest supporter. (buttcoin.org)
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"[Bitcoin] is an online form of money laundering used to disguise the source of money" -US Senator Charles Schumer. Shit just got real. (nbcnewyork.com)
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I'm the guy who bought 259684 BTC for under $3000 (forum.bitcoin.org)
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151 commentsshare Hey Sarge, remember this famous post? FF Oh yes, good stuff! Those were the dark days... |
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What, where?? MtGox still shows a high of $68.90583 for me.
71.24 now Weird. I just checked mtgox.com and it shows $68, despite my repeated refreshes. Bitcoinity shows the proper price though. |
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What, where?? MtGox still shows a high of $68.90583 for me.
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