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1441  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When 1 bitcoin is equal to 1 bitcoin.. on: February 14, 2015, 12:50:31 AM
If you want Bitcoin to be a world currency then there should be an exchange rate. What you're saying is similar to saying you want the euro to be isolated and not traded for other currencies. That's not going to happen anytime soon. Bitcoin is a currency without a country so there is no economy built around it. Currently, it's impossible to say what a loaf of bread is worth in bitcoins without exchanging it to a regional currency first.

The euro was created because a single currency offers many advantages and benefits over the previous situation where each Member State had its own currency. Not only are fluctuation risks and exchange costs eliminated and the single market strengthened, but the euro also means closer co-operation among Member States for a stable currency and economy to the benefit of us all.

Having said that, it doesn't mean that euro needs to be isolated from the rest of the world. Likewise, bitcoin can establish its own niche and exists within its own ecosystem and still traded on the exchange. We substitute country with community/internet/network here. The economy surrounding bitcoin is basically the mining operation. Yeah, we don't have tax, industry to turn raw material into goods, but if you compare the mining concept, its pretty much close to that. If you ask me a question how much a loaf of bread is worth, I should answer 5mtbc (for example) not $1.2 dollar of btc worth.
1442  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do girls use Bitcoin ? on: February 13, 2015, 04:39:10 PM
If you give free coins....anyone beyond boundary of gender will use it.
1443  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why GOD will not punish and could even forgive Mark karpeles! on: February 13, 2015, 04:35:42 PM
I hope you got that right. More bad than good still means overall bad. While there are millionaires, there are also those who bought at the highs and lost. And here, i think a lot more people suffer than those gained. For every 1 millionaire there are 1000 people who each lost a thousand
1444  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why people think cheap of those who say they want to get rich from bitcoin! on: February 13, 2015, 01:06:29 PM
people need to transact with btc ,its that simple
buy them ,use them ,buy more ,spend them as fast as you would spend cash anywhere you can
thats the only way to kick it into mainstream

everyone cannot hodl a few coins and hope to be millionaires or it will never happen
economy doesnt work that way

And yes, we just have to play our role. If bitcoin is successful one day those who think cheap and look down on bitcoiners and bitcoin as a whole will all be wrong. I hope they will realize that some day.
1445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitpay Sponsors NASCAR Driver Justin Boston on: February 13, 2015, 01:02:08 PM
Cool.... If it carries the bitcoin logo as well.
Reminds me of dogecoin and Josh wise.
1446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When 1 bitcoin is equal to 1 bitcoin.. on: February 13, 2015, 12:38:05 PM
How do you know the purchasing power of 1 BTC if we don't compare it to anything else?

How do you knwo if you can buy 1 hamburger or 1 mansion with it?

the purchasing power is measured something like this.

In 2015.... 900 btc to buy a house
In 2020.... given the same economic condition, only needs 700 btc to purchase same house on the same location

That means higher purchasing power for 1 unit of bitcoin

why do you need fiat? Isn't that what bitcoin existence is all about?
As long as the age old system is there, we'll forever be bound by fiat
1447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Don't Let Anyone Tell You Satoshi's Identity is NOT Important on: February 13, 2015, 12:25:24 PM
I notice that you use their word "their". So do you really mean to imply that satoshi is not an individual rather than a group of people?
1448  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Huobi hacked? on: February 13, 2015, 12:17:41 PM
No it's not. Could be a glitch or something in their system and anyway they are back again operating as normal.
1449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Big Misconception of Bitcoin's Transaction Irreversibility. Bill Gates read this on: February 13, 2015, 12:15:12 PM
Nicely explained. That should clear up a lot of doubts people are having about bitcoin. It actually relates to how we can utilize it. Personally if transaction were to be reversible, I wouldn't be bothered about bitcoin at all.
1450  Economy / Speculation / Re: 230$ and up! any signs of trend reversal? on: February 13, 2015, 11:50:16 AM
The only thing I worry about is that it might be facing some stiff resistance that could easily bring it down again to where it was. But anyway, anything is still possible at this stage and it's just too early to tell.
1451  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC could jump to price 300 fast on: February 13, 2015, 11:46:57 AM
Well, it did bounced from 216 to 233 range and the volume is picking up after a rather quiet week. Just hope it stays and maintain that way.
1452  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin For Flight Tickets? on: February 13, 2015, 11:34:54 AM
At the moment, not from where I live but hope to see it become a reality someday. And that doesn't mean only on flight tickets but just about everything we can buy using bitcoin.
1453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Bitcoin will be bigger than the internet" on: February 13, 2015, 11:33:12 AM
yes but he also said it could take 10-20 years. some people here cant even wait 1 month...  Roll Eyes

Ah...This is something that I agree. Not everybody has patience and is willing to look long term.
1454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / When 1 bitcoin is equal to 1 bitcoin.. on: February 13, 2015, 11:30:12 AM
Let's face it..As long as we continue to benchmark bitcoin against fiat, we can never reach that stage to independently claim "1 bitcoin is equal to 1 bitcoin" and that is no matter how hard you tried to convince people. Mainly this is what I feel is lacking and what I envision for bitcoin to become a currency of its own.

So here's my thought.

For an Individual's perspective
A person earns his wages in bitcoin (we are there)
A person can spend his earning to fulfill all his daily needs which means he/she can buy anything, and I mean anything with bitcoin (Something we are lacking because not all goods and services accept bitcoin)
If we have goods priced only in bitcoin and accept no fiat for it (that would be the best, but I see this lacking)
At the end of the month, refills back his spending power from his monthly wages paid in bitcoin
A portion of his earning, not spent is kept in the wallet and HOARDED...and yes, hoard all you want

For a business entity
Make available products priced in bitcoin
Accounting ledger and reported earnings all done in bitcoin
Pays workers' wages in bitcoin

So what I'm trying to say here is that as long those two infrastructure or components are there, we are basically on our own enclosed ecosystem

What prevents bitcoin from taking off is basically:
#1 : The spending part where we can't buy all the things we want using bitcoin
#2 : Lack on the number of company/business entity which is bitcoin oriented

Basically we are telling people to spend. But the actual fact or scenario is that we can spend but at the same time, we need to buy back to cover the amount spent or else it will just be a net drain of fund which leads to nothing for bitcoin. However, if we manage to establish the ecosystem here, we are basically on our own. Free from fiat and that is when 1 bitcoin is equal to 1 bitcoin..
1455  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: unverified transaction on: February 13, 2015, 11:17:19 AM
Try to go to blockchain.info and insert your address to check your transaction status. Sometimes there might be a delay of few minutes between what is showing up on your electrum list and what is shown on the block explorer. That is due to which electrum server you are connected to.
1456  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: How often do you check the price of bitcoin. Please VOTE on: February 13, 2015, 11:14:32 AM
Almost every hour except when I'm sleeping. The first thing when I woke up is to grab my phone and reload the coinmarketcap page before I get on to the other daily chores.
1457  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin, How Long Will It Last? on: February 13, 2015, 11:11:38 AM
As long as the network still exists if you ask me. There are people who see intrinsic value in it because of the technology. And it's the people that form the community that hangs on to it that will make it last. Well, you can see people giving up but you also see newcomers joining.
1458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Ban in Hong-Kong on: February 13, 2015, 11:07:01 AM
If you ask me, bitcoin is the real victim over here.
1459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Many Bitcoiners are Mentally Ill? on: February 13, 2015, 11:05:49 AM
LOL....I'm one of them. I suffer from some kind of bitcoin paranoia disorder where it will make me check the price every hourly and sometimes when it gets worse, I will stare at the same page.
1460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you ready to make payments in bitcoin? on: February 12, 2015, 03:50:19 PM
not now i will wait for thr better rate once it hit atlest 350$ my cost price

You (and other people like you) need to look beyond the BTC exchange value in $. Look at it as a currency in itself and then you will be able to get out of your slave mindset (fiat slaves). 1 BTC = 1 BTC, do not look at it like 1 BTC = $220. Realise that what you own is unique and has purchasing power of its own. People themselves are to blame if they look at BTC as a get rich quick scheme or tie it back to fiat. The day more people start looking at 1 BTC = 1 BTC, this would indicate a coming of age and the value of BTC would automatically increase. Nothing great was ever achieved in a day or a short period of time. It will take us ages to get out of the mindset of tying BTC back to fiat. The price of BTC falling could be a blessing in disguise, since all the speculators will drop out now as they don't see a value proposition.

If one day all items can be purchased with btc and i mean everything, including services, we can forget about its equivalent fiat worth. 1 btc = 1 btc
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