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1481  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-16 RT - Bitcoin never to become a global currency, nothing backs it up on: August 17, 2013, 12:49:31 PM
Bitcoin is backed up by Math ^^
That's a nice sound bite, but not much more.
1482  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-16 RT - Bitcoin never to become a global currency, nothing backs it up on: August 17, 2013, 12:36:48 PM
I really don't get this whole fixation on "what backs it up?".
What backs up the bread on your plate?
Imho, "backing" is a very subjective and vague term, that subtracts from talking about the properties things have.
People apparently need to hear "this money is backed by X", and then they can consider it to be safe.  Yah sorry, it's not that simple.
1483  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: August 17, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
If Japanese people are smart , they can bring the arbitrage gap down significantly:

Buying BTC at bitstamp, bitfinex or other exchanges , then sell BTC at MtGox in JPY, and finally withdraw  JPY within Japan

that will bring down the price of btc's in Yen, won't solve the USD price from being high (unless it is somehow possible to convert dollars to yen at gox).
1484  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-14 Forbes: Dread Pirate Roberts, the Man Behind the Silk Road on: August 16, 2013, 12:26:18 AM
I don't know how smart this is for DPR to do.

Think about it....

We already know the "State" is freaking pissed that people can buy/sell anything through SR....now you throw this in a national magazine, its like spitting in their faces, kicking the hornets nest, etc....

Just saying.
DPR probably thinks he is uncatchable, which may be true or not.  Personally, I think this is a very bad time to start pissing governmental people off, since the regulatory framework is starting to be put in place.  Wish he had just kept himself in the shadows...
1485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: August 16, 2013, 12:11:23 AM
It'll be a while before SR isn't the defining characteristic of the bitcoin "economy".

Imho, "gold 2.0" is more defining for the bitcoin "economy" than SR is.
1486  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-14 Forbes: Dread Pirate Roberts, the Man Behind the Silk Road on: August 15, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
Mutter, mutter - it really is DPR but why the heck would he want to draw attention to BTC like that if it's his "secret ingredient"? Something still seems weird.
Free publicity for SR?
1487  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: August 15, 2013, 07:25:42 PM
<snip> Bitstamp is only used for withdrawals  No man invested money there. No one.

So yeah, that's complete bullshit.  Please explain to me where the money is coming from that is being withdrawn.....
1488  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-14 Forbes: Dread Pirate Roberts, the Man Behind the Silk Road on: August 15, 2013, 07:17:20 PM
Among the many weird possibilities with this weird story is that Forbes just made the whole thing up. I don't think there would be any letters to the editor from DPR pointing out errata, and if there were one could never know if they were genuine.

Doesn't DPR communicate on SR?  Then he could call out their bullshit, no?  I think it is genuine.
1489  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-14 Forbes: Dread Pirate Roberts, the Man Behind the Silk Road on: August 14, 2013, 08:25:54 PM
" When I ask for his name and nationality, he’s so spooked that he refuses to answer any other questions and we lose contact for a month. "

Or maybe he just decided not to waste his time on a bunch of idiots....   Roll Eyes

What was the next question? "Can we meet at the nearest police station?"

Well-written though.
1490  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-14 BBC Radio - [AUDIO] Interview with Erik Voorhees on: August 14, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
Nice interview.
1491  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-10: Peak Prosperity/Chris Martensen Podcast: Gavin Andresen Interview on: August 11, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Did the host really keep calling him Gavin "Anderson" not "Andresen" ??
Mr. Anderson is telling us it's all virtual and digital.  Grin

1492  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Getting Wikipedia to accept Bitcoin donations - Community pledge on: August 11, 2013, 10:50:21 AM
How 'bout not giving your BTCs to a free information-providing service that doesn't want bitcoins, and giving them to a free information-providing service that does like bitcoins, like Khan Academy?  Just my 2 cents...  (and I am not affiliated with KA)
Honestly, I don't believe we are still in a stage were we need to beg people to accept our money...
1493  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-08-10: Peak Prosperity/Chris Martensen Podcast: Gavin Andresen Interview on: August 10, 2013, 08:21:18 PM
Seems to me like Chris himself is still very sceptical about bitcoin, but his audience wanted this to happen, so he complied.
He looks interested by parts of bitcoin, but probably can't get over the digital nature of it, so he is sticking with PMs.
He is a smart chap though, so if bitcoin can stay on course, he'll get on the train eventually  Wink.
1494  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox, Bitstamp, et al. on: August 10, 2013, 07:09:55 PM
Are you talking about BTC price differences between different geographies (or based on other factors than geography)?
Based on an energetic/entropic difference, either organic or imposed.
So yes.  Maybe it's me, but you might want to get the basic point across more clearly before you start elaborating.

To get on topic: sure, that could occur (and is already occurring somewhat), depends on the 'resistance' to arbitrage. If I recall correctly, bitcoins are already somewhat more expensive in Argentina (but not the 60% mentioned in a recent article) due to capital controls.
1495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox, Bitstamp, et al. on: August 10, 2013, 06:51:29 PM
We talk about arb channels and how they will close once there is enough volume. We talk about Gox expiring as its market share erodes. But for now we really have two very different kind of agents sharing a top spot. It is not as though Bitstamp is a homogeneous version of Gox nipping at its heels. No, the account holders on Bitstamp are there because they have made some very different decisions from those still on Gox. The makeup is different, and far beyond the amount of volume available for arbitrage is a mutually heterodox view of the market.

In my view we are already seeing a mini version of the kind of ultimate market bifurcation that I have reasoned previously to be inevitable. And really, Bitcoin does not care, it still works just fine. It will work just as well in parts of the world where the weather is hot and electricity is expensive as it will where the weather is cool and electricity is cheap. But the market does not look the same to someone who is primarily a miner and someone else who is primarily a consumer. And there is no real reason, other than a deeply entrenched view of market economics, that Bitcoin should have to be valued the same across these markets. Again, different kinds of people making different decisions, not just a small handful of traders agreeing on a value for a homogeneous global market.

But, upon observing recent events, I am going to have to move up my timetable for an expectation of such a bifurcation. It will not happen all at once, and it will be more-or-less regional. As volumes of trade in native currencies reach a friction point the exchange rate will begin to drift away, and eventually more-or-less decouple from larger markets. While there may be a long term correlation between these local Bitcoin markets the short term correlations will begin to break down. And each will have its characteristic response to events such as block reward halving. This difference will be most pronounced as block reward halving gets priced in because that is when the highest exchange volumes will occur. So with each halving valuation will drift farther apart and drive decorrelation.  Besides geographic regions there will likely even be regions with boundaries dictated by other factors. Such as between purely crypto markets and those which deal primarily in exchange with native, government issued currencies.

So, when trying to figure out how to analyse the market for price speculation the picture becomes increasingly complex. My expectation is that a market index will evolve; realy, several market indexes, which will communicate what the larger correlations are. And of course there will be derivative instruments, both 'conventional' and crypto.

Are you talking about BTC price differences between different geographies (or based on other factors than geography)?
1496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: August 08, 2013, 10:25:11 PM
War of the Competing Walls, finally also on bitstamp.

Can't we combine the two discussions somehow? Doesn't make much sense IMO to have two threads to do live discussions of trades & walls, when they really need to be looked at together.

Approved for a merger

+1 on a general Wall Observer
PS: Adam 4 president
1497  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: GPU is DEAD --- ASIC is taking over and Fast. on: August 07, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
The ASIC world is imploding on itself.  The more ASICs out there, the higher the difficulty, the less profit each unit makes, so people buy more ASICs, which raises the difficulty, so they again get less profit, etc.....

A self defeating spiral downwards in profitability.

I am pretty sure people buy more ASICs when it is highly profitable, and reduce buying when it gets less profitable...
1498  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: August 07, 2013, 04:02:23 PM
There is a button under "auto-renew" that activates the "auto-lend" function.
Any amount kept in the lending wallet will automatically be offered for lending if this function is enabled

Handy option, completely missed it.
1499  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: August 07, 2013, 02:32:29 PM
I just realized any free usd will be lend out without user permission? Can anyone fix this?
Just disable the auto-lend function and/or move your USD out of your Lending Wallet into either the Trading or the Exchange ones.
I don't understand either of your comments.  Are you talking about the auto-renew function?
1500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why won't BTC drop in Value when Mainstream? on: August 07, 2013, 08:37:45 AM
If bitcoin becomes to mainstream and becomes tooOnly if the value is derived from fiat like Bitcoins do.  regulated, the need will emerge for less regulated and more anonymous coins.

I believe if there will be attempts to regulate, it will apply to all cryptocurrencies

Only if the value is derived from fiat like Bitcoins do.

bitcoins don't derive their value from fiat.  We just denote their value in fiat money because that is the most easy and convenient way to represent the value.
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