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1081  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: December 03, 2013, 08:52:23 AM
oh they take 10% from the lender and borrower or just lender?
Borrower pays the annualized percentage of interest that is displayed.  From that interest payment, they take 10% as fee, so just the lender.
1082  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2013, 08:47:19 AM
the fact that max has mentioned quark coin has pretty much convinced me that he's in the game for the sole purpose pumping and dumping. i'll watch his videos, but fuck him.. i don't think he's some sort of angel.

true, I noticed he follows a pumper on twitter.. https://twitter.com/fontase


Keiser is a pumper allright, no surprise there.
Are you talking about max keiser? what is this twitter? are they manipulating the market?
yes, Max Keiser, I don't follow his twitter.  I doubt Keiser is big enough to sufficiently manipulate "the" bitcoin market in a huge way, but I nevertheless think he buys before he start going in full-on hype mode, and then sells.  And he probably has enough followers that it might make somewhat of a difference, especially in the smaller altcoin markets.
1083  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: December 03, 2013, 08:39:40 AM
I got a question: How is the intrest calculated exactely?
If i got a 10000$ loan going for 1 Day, Lets say it got accepted at 00:00 and is running at the time of Intrest paying. The Interest rate is 100%.

My calculations would be: {10000* [(1+1)^(1/365)-1]}* 0.9 =  17.1$

But the interest is either way higher or lower... I couldn't figure it out until now Cheesy

Please help me!

I believe it is:
(10000*100*0.9)/36500 = 24.65$
my estimates are generally pretty correct using this formula.  If it's way lower, might be that your loan got cancelled, and then renewed after a while.


how did you get this formula?  I usually do 100/365= ~.27 , then move back 2 dec places = .0027 * 10000 = $27 per day
Bitfinex takes 10% of the generated interest as their fee, thats why you multiply by 0.9 .
1084  Local / Nederlands (Dutch) / Re: Belgische bitcoinvereniging on: December 03, 2013, 08:35:48 AM
Mooi initiatief!
Het zou echt handig zijn indien deze vereniging de huidige legale status van bitcoin in belgie kan uitklaren.
+1, al wat reactie gekregen van de regering?  En hoe vlot het vormen van de belgische tak van de bitcoin foundation?
1085  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2013, 08:27:48 AM
the fact that max has mentioned quark coin has pretty much convinced me that he's in the game for the sole purpose pumping and dumping. i'll watch his videos, but fuck him.. i don't think he's some sort of angel.

true, I noticed he follows a pumper on twitter.. https://twitter.com/fontase


Keiser is a pumper allright, no surprise there.
1086  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 03, 2013, 02:45:20 AM
It wasn't just his knack to make good calls, you also have to have a particular kind of personality-the risk seeking one. You could have seen the cryptocoin thing coming, but are you going to cash out all your PM investments, which was going so well, to get all in into it, even if the chance of cryptos get to 0 is only 20%? For me the answer was definitely a "No", and I doubt many would have said the same. People like me would only invest what they could afford to lose without kicking themselves, so we should be reasonable about our investment expectations, (though more than 10000% return is not reasonable anywhere out of the crypto circle Wink)
Yeah, you have to be confident AND right.  Most people are either either much more conservative, or very impulsive people that throw money at things they hardly understand.  
1087  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 03, 2013, 02:24:26 AM
Hmm, looks like we're having a shameless Goatfest in here?  Cool

Meh, I would rather admire Cypher and Goat for their calls than figure out what's new in Justin Bieber's life  Smiley.
They might actually have some useful insight into the world to offer.
1088  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2013, 02:16:31 AM
Loving the feedback, Cheesy. Keep 'em coming, we are going to be rich   Wink.
1089  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 03, 2013, 02:02:13 AM
The pumping is strong these days.  When the next bubble starts, I 'll just buy every alt in town  Grin, heck, I'll even create a few of my own  Cheesy.  
Brainstorming for names here: Pumpcoin (PMPC), CloneCoin (CC), SuckerCoin (SKRC) ... any other ideas?
1090  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: December 03, 2013, 01:56:26 AM
I got a question: How is the intrest calculated exactely?
If i got a 10000$ loan going for 1 Day, Lets say it got accepted at 00:00 and is running at the time of Intrest paying. The Interest rate is 100%.

My calculations would be: {10000* [(1+1)^(1/365)-1]}* 0.9 =  17.1$

But the interest is either way higher or lower... I couldn't figure it out until now Cheesy

Please help me!

I believe it is:
(10000*100*0.9)/36500 = 24.65$
my estimates are generally pretty correct using this formula.  If it's way lower, might be that your loan got cancelled, and then renewed after a while.
1091  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 07:38:57 PM
I am surprised there is so little action in this thread.  Usually when there is a lot of volatility, I have to try clicking "post" multiple times in a row, because there is such a high number of replies.

I think because so few posts these days have any real value to them. Most of this thread is filled with just noise these days, very little debate or even discussion.
Was that ever different?
1092  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
Let's be clear. Bitcoin isn't a currency or a store of value, it's just the crack cocaine of speculation.
Oh look, it's this guy...  Roll Eyes
Have you figured out how percentages work yet?
1093  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 07:29:35 PM
I am surprised there is so little action in this thread.  Usually when there is a lot of volatility, I have to try clicking "post" multiple times in a row, because there is such a high number of replies.
1094  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 07:20:36 PM
Shite this goes fast.  Look at chart, ponder buying, put in buy order without finalizing, look at chart again to double check.   Price is already $100 higher  Undecided .
1095  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 01, 2013, 01:55:03 AM
The authoritative opposition to Bitcoin will likely be along the lines of this:

e-Gold Founder Launches New Gold Backed Currency

A  transitionary solution at best.
All the downsides associated with electronic money combined with the counterparty risk of traditional banking in a single package.

Truly a visionary product.
Grin
1096  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 01, 2013, 12:57:55 AM
what would you be able to trade bitcoins for if the dollar/euro crashed first?
or if it gets stronger by that time, would it replace them?
or if its not ready for the colective conciusness would it crash as well?
or what would you be able to trade it for?


btw cant see no big wall, its only day trading, bots and traps atm it seems, looks like it will continue steadly rising .

I'm going to step away from the uber-bullishness for a minute to say that the dollar/euro aren't going to be immediately swept away by Bitcoin. That simply won't happen.

It's not to say that Bitcoin can't rapidly achieve a trillion-dollar-plus market cap - I believe it can - just that the role of inflationary currencies will continue to be a large and important one for the foreseeable future. Beyond the fact that tax obligations have to be paid in state-issued fiat, banking will be difficult in Bitcoin, and financial markets will certainly not be switching anytime soon - most "wealth" is in equities or derivatives, priced in dollars.

Then there's the fact that oil can only be purchased with dollars.

Gold, silver, and fiat have been coexisting for many years now, and I do not expect Bitcoin will upset that balance. We're looking at a timescale of decades before we can expect fiat to go away.

Frankly, I much prefer it that way. A functional alternative to fiat is actually better than a giant upheaval.

Some people still get the paper in their driveway every morning. And sometimes even I enjoy the experience.

I guess i agree with you, you make valid points, and true i prefer it that way as well, i was just thinking it becuase as i see it works kind of like this way the backd up   Gold/Silver --->>> Currencies --->>> Bitcoin value?,   *correct me if im wrong

while the direct backup for bitcoin is the hash number of each?

or am i just tripping

There is no "backing". There is only utility.
1097  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-28 Financial Times E-gold founder backs new Bitcoin rival on: December 01, 2013, 12:33:36 AM
Voorhees put it nicely in a recent interview:  "backing" is a liability that requires trust.  You don't want that.
Color me unimpressed.
1098  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2013-11-29] Bitcoin in the News - A Video Compilation on: December 01, 2013, 12:24:37 AM
Nice compilation (and one of my favorite songs).
1099  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Gold Conspiracy, or why breaking 1270 is hard. on: November 30, 2013, 07:18:21 PM


If you are a huuuge holder of gold, you should be afraid of Gold 2.0, and you would not want bitcoin to succeed.
The price behavior around the psychologically important level of the ounce price of gold is starting to look increasingly suspicious.

See the H4 view here:
http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

It is instant sales that are halting the upward trend. Who is trying to block Bitcoin? Which gold holders are making this futile effort? Questions, questions.

Assuming they'll fail, they will have to reverse their short position at some point. They are just building up for a great price rise the minute we pass gold and they give up!

Who agrees?

Ancient aliens.
Cheesy
1100  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-29 Bitcoins: The Second Biggest Ponzi Scheme in History on: November 30, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
easily debunked

"Nobody is going to be getting rid of an asset that has moved from $2 to $1,000 in one year in order to buy pizzas"

I have, so I know you lie.  Next !
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