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1541  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: A guide for mining efficiently on P2Pool, includes FUD repellent and FAQ on: June 17, 2013, 02:38:04 PM
So, now I'll set maxblocksize to 1000000 (!!), and restart the server.  Not a huge deal anymore since even with my 6.7c or so electricity, bitcoins are just marginal profit nowadays.  Don't mind a lot more DOA/orphans for the next day or two for the sake of showing that this setting kills.

I'm extremely curious about the results. If it indeed kills your efficiency, we'll have to understand why it happens on your setup and not mine (I even lowered mintxfee and minrelaytxfee to make it easier for bitcoind to fill the blocks). I'm still at 110+ efficiency with getmininginfo confirming that the block templates generated by bitcoind are indeed ~1MB.

I only know of 2 reasons why it could kill your efficiency:
  • it generates too much traffic, filling your pipe (reduce your bitcoind and p2pool number of connections). It can happen even with large pipes if your hoster have some peering limitation.
  • your CPU is maxed out (you should have one core free for P2Pool to be safe)

Maybe we will find another one to document in the guide.
Well, it's doing better ATM, with 19 shares and just 1 dead.

But, it's also adding a lot of load to the system and I can tell that if you took a large enough sample it'd be worse...    simply because (if nothing else):

2013-06-17 06:45:57.826722 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.586613 Share difficulty: 1237.801257 Total block value: 25.956635 BTC including 1204 transactions
2013-06-17 06:45:57.914912 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.586613 Share difficulty: 1237.801257 Total block value: 25.956635 BTC including 1204 transactions
2013-06-17 06:45:58.003061 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.586613 Share difficulty: 1237.801257 Total block value: 25.956635 BTC including 1204 transactions
2013-06-17 06:45:58.091624 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.586613 Share difficulty: 1237.801257 Total block value: 25.956635 BTC including 1204 transactions
2013-06-17 06:45:58.182583 New work for worker! Difficulty: 5.000000 Share difficulty: 1237.801257 Total block value: 25.956635 BTC including 1204 transactions

vs

2013-06-17 08:06:45.156392 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.170742 Share difficulty: 1063.111336 Total block value: 25.207522 BTC including 280 transactions
2013-06-17 08:06:45.180769 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.170742 Share difficulty: 1063.111336 Total block value: 25.207522 BTC including 280 transactions
2013-06-17 08:06:45.204890 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.170742 Share difficulty: 1063.111336 Total block value: 25.207522 BTC including 280 transactions
2013-06-17 08:06:45.229186 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.170742 Share difficulty: 1063.111336 Total block value: 25.207522 BTC including 280 transactions
2013-06-17 08:06:45.256788 New work for worker! Difficulty: 5.000000 Share difficulty: 1063.111336 Total block value: 25.207522 BTC including 280 transactions

vs

2013-06-17 09:22:29.858692 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.203949 Share difficulty: 1063.354280 Total block value: 25.000000 BTC including 0 transactions
2013-06-17 09:22:29.862099 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.203949 Share difficulty: 1063.354280 Total block value: 25.000000 BTC including 0 transactions
2013-06-17 09:22:29.865353 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.203949 Share difficulty: 1063.354280 Total block value: 25.000000 BTC including 0 transactions
2013-06-17 09:22:29.868686 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.203949 Share difficulty: 1063.354280 Total block value: 25.000000 BTC including 0 transactions
2013-06-17 09:22:29.874997 New work for worker! Difficulty: 5.000000 Share difficulty: 1063.354280 Total block value: 25.000000 BTC including 0 transactions

...  I dunno if it goes by the order it says, but if so, it generates my new work last, and the other four people on my pool before me.  With 1204 transactions, it takes 0.355861 seconds between #1 and #5, with 280 transactions it takes 0.100396 seconds, with 0 transactions it takes 0.016305 seconds.  More people mining at your pool = more pronounced effect.  If my pool was private w/ just myself on it, it'd still generate work, what, about ~.05s slower with all those transactions vs having 0 (though the lowest I'd drop my maxblocksize to would probably have a dozen or so).

In the 1204 case, that's adding 355ms to a 10s cycle, which should result in 3.5% more DOA

ed: didn't check to see whether it was based on # of transactions or size of total transactions.  also, it's adding like *340ms, not 355ms.  machine load could have affected times a bit, but there's still the trend that's plain to see.  not doing anything else on it atm besides running bitcoind and p2pool

ed2: there's also the bizarre thing where now i'm suddenly receiving more data than sending.   logically (to me at least) that seems like it'd result in more orphans?    what's up w/ that, anyway?  anyway, based simply on the ^^ up there that indicates i'm receiving work probably about 150ms slower on average, i'm going to cut this short and reduce my maxblocksize again.  even if you go with an extreme best case scenario and say I find a block w/ 1BTC in transaction fees...  when I receive less than 1/100th of the total pie, that isn't worth 1.5% more DOA..  

though I suppose one could make a case for going with 10000, 20000, or 30000 maxblocksize...  (or setting the minimum relay fee much higher, and then setting maxblocksize to 1000000)

ed3:  oh, and while I was typing ed2, I did just pick up an orphan.  heh.

ed4:  6 transactions

2013-06-17 10:17:59.878132 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.589736 Share difficulty: 1259.470588 Total block value: 25.004000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:17:59.881803 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.589736 Share difficulty: 1259.470588 Total block value: 25.004000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:17:59.885549 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.589736 Share difficulty: 1259.470588 Total block value: 25.004000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:17:59.891466 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.589736 Share difficulty: 1259.470588 Total block value: 25.004000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:17:59.898578 New work for worker! Difficulty: 5.000000 Share difficulty: 1259.470588 Total block value: 25.004000 BTC including 6 transactions

0.020446 seconds

2013-06-17 10:23:14.937386 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.336302 Share difficulty: 1245.582868 Total block value: 25.045000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:23:14.940579 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.336302 Share difficulty: 1245.582868 Total block value: 25.045000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:23:14.943615 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.336302 Share difficulty: 1245.582868 Total block value: 25.045000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:23:14.946616 New work for worker! Difficulty: 1.336302 Share difficulty: 1245.582868 Total block value: 25.045000 BTC including 6 transactions
2013-06-17 10:23:14.952521 New work for worker! Difficulty: 5.000000 Share difficulty: 1245.582868 Total block value: 25.045000 BTC including 6 transactions

0.015135 seconds..   0 transactions probably comes with some base amount, i doubt the 6 adds much time at all
1542  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: A guide for mining efficiently on P2Pool, includes FUD repellent and FAQ on: June 17, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
OK, so right now, my server is reading:

Node uptime: 3.124 days Peers: 73 out, 19 in

Shares: 256 total (3 orphaned, 14 dead) Efficiency: 116.2%

I started pinging the first hop (not counting my actual router) instead of the server, so the ping times are about 180ms lower than what I'd get to nogleg.com.  I set the packetloss scale to 10%, since local packetloss is rly, rly bad (a remote ping would show 10x as much packetloss).  Started doing this so I can give this info to ISP, which continues to deny bandwidth exhaust issue...

but, anyway:



Out of those 256 shares, about 85% are mine & the number of orphans/DOA from the other people wasn't disproportionate to my own.

So, now I'll set maxblocksize to 1000000 (!!), and restart the server.  Not a huge deal anymore since even with my 6.7c or so electricity, bitcoins are just marginal profit nowadays.  Don't mind a lot more DOA/orphans for the next day or two for the sake of showing that this setting kills.

I apologize to the other ppl that are pointed to my server atm.  Maybe come back in a few days?
1543  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: ASIC miners, a blessing or a curse for miners? on: June 16, 2013, 02:01:39 AM
They are neither a blessing nor curse, they just are.
they're a curse, damnit

just like AOL was a curse back in the 90s
1544  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Difficulty jumps 28% on: June 16, 2013, 02:00:25 AM
Personally, I paid for my asic in $ (which I converted to BTC) so I don't care if I earn the BTC back or not, only the $.
If I had paid in BTC (say I earned through mining) then it would be a different story.

I see this a lot, and I think it's kind of a fallacy: You made the decision to buy when BTC was a certain price, and the math told you that you would make back more BTC than you invested. Effectively, you gave up that amount of $ that you could have invested in BTC alone. If you don't earn back the BTC from the miner that you paid on it, it is a worse investment than just buying the BTC in the first place.
tell 'em like it is, brother
1545  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Post if your GPUs still profitable to operate? on: June 16, 2013, 01:59:08 AM
Just keep mining while its still profitable, even if its only a few dollars a week. Hold those coins and wait for higher prices, that way you haven't risked anything. You might find those few dollars a week are worth a lot more. When ASICs take over pick your favourite alt-coin and mine that...
+1 to this, and it is already what i'm doing

only if you aren't using 5xxx cards, otherwise you're losing way too much equity
1546  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Can't enter GPU management in CGMiner on: June 16, 2013, 01:56:16 AM
aggression 13 seems a bit excessive to me

i use 8 or 9 in ubuntu and 7 or 8 in windows

anyway, this inability to pull up the gpu screen occurred with BAMT, so technically it was debian.    did you try it w/o loading a config file?
1547  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: What OS do you use on your mining comupters? on: June 16, 2013, 01:51:58 AM
windows 7 64-bit

unless it's power starved, then it's ubuntu on a stick
1548  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Can't enter GPU management in CGMiner on: June 16, 2013, 01:43:00 AM
that happened to me for a bit

i don't recall what i did to 'fix' it.  maybe lowered the aggression settings in the cgminer.conf file?  or deleted the bin files?     (or installed windows?  hmm)
1549  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Unknown miner growing rapidly in mining % share on: June 16, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
Unknown Blocks.
Relayed By   count
199.48.164.36   5
122.128.109.61   3
126.79.45.236   2

this 199.48.164.36 address, is owned by Goodluck Jonathan
1550  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: NOTICE: WARNING to NEW CUSTOMERS of BUTTERFLY LABS INC (BFL) on: June 16, 2013, 01:26:44 AM
For those that just like a quick twitter type message they can read the first two sentences only and should get the message, while those that prefer comprehensive information can read the whole post if interested.

The message was intended only for new customers who might not be aware of the long delivery delays by BFL and can find all the relevant information in one place to allow them to make a better informed investment decision.

I'm happy you read the whole post. Yes, I agree with you that 15% is conservative for average future increases in difficulty levels.  What is your estimate of an average increase level?  At 18% the difficulty get levels pretty high pretty quickly and some people are astounded by the high expected difficulty levels of 362,275,970 by end Dec 2013.

At 18% increase in difficulty levels, the time of delivery becomes critical factor in obtaining a suitable return on investment. For example new orders from KnCMiner will arrive sooner and have a two and half times better performance than those from BFL.

i read the whole thing, but i was never planning on preordering from BFL, anyway.

these other people that are preordering at the moment, it probably flies right over their head

and difficulty levels going up 15% seems very conservative to me


It'll go up 20%, 25% or more for the next few cycles.  Then eventually the hobbyists will stop spending all their excess cash and the difficulty level won't increase as much.

all the prices for ASICs and such I have seen lately are ludicrous

but I applaud the business savvy of those folks that have sold/are selling their avalon 2's atm
1551  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: How to get block erupter usb? on: June 16, 2013, 01:20:37 AM
They will most likely be selling for a lot cheaper in the up and coming months because of the difficulty rising etc.
plus asicminer flooding the exchanges with bitcoins
1552  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: How to get block erupter usb? on: June 16, 2013, 01:18:15 AM
1st step: bend over
1553  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Selling my Jalapeno on Bitmit on: June 16, 2013, 01:17:17 AM
Good thing people in this community arent in the game just to make a quick buck
i am, that's why i wouldnt purchase such a thing
1554  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Powercolor 7950's, engine/memclock jumping around? on: June 16, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
I had to send 2 out of 3 of those Powercolors back. Only one of them works as it should (knock on wood).

They did exactly what you described. The reason for that constant whine and throttleback is that they overheated on and off because the fan basically would not go over about 3300 rpms.

So, they would sit there whine for a while, overheat and then throttle back.

They also do that if you have turbo enabled. I used SapphireX but it does not help if the fan (or fan controller) goes out.

Well, live and learn. The one that works will do 1125 mhz gpu clock easy, so the benefit to them seems to be that they are unlocked.

Not a good fan design IMHO.



I got one powercolor and it works fine.  It's running at 1200 core/185 memory.

But then I guess I don't mess with those bizarre alt-coins that destroy video cards

well, my fan is going 4800RPM at 80%
1555  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: ASIC miner for about 1500€ on: June 16, 2013, 01:10:49 AM
they are not
1556  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 Burned Up This Morning on: June 16, 2013, 01:09:11 AM
Where was this riser manufactured?

China, Taiwan (another part of China, that has its own special name), Singapore, or Indonesia?
1557  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: dirt-cheap mining plus free electricity on: June 16, 2013, 01:06:40 AM
Ok I get it. Even with *Free Electricity, it's not worth it unless I have significant money to invest. Sigh, well... that sucks. Sad

*It's not really free, it's included in my rent. But it's "technically" unlimited. Although a significant/unusually high or excessive amount of use would eventually get noticed and then as any reasonable business person or entity would do - they would make changes to cover this expense or to stop it from happening. Get it?

Thanks everyone for your help. I guess I'll just wait for people to find out that my online business accepts btc and that's how I will get some. Man, I wish there was better/more effective/more organized and faster/more convenient ways to let the btc community know that my online business accepts btc. Sigh again...

no, those ppl replying are just all foolish

go to slickdeals and wait for a 7770, 7790, or possibly a 7850 to appear

buy one of those, mine on it for a bit, then sell it on ebay for profits after redeeming your rebate and selling the included games
1558  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 5x7950 Gigabyte WF3 Rig using 1475 Watts!!! on: June 16, 2013, 01:04:09 AM
i have a system that runs 3x7790 cards at 300mhash, it takes 220 watts
1559  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Low Hash- Gigabyte HD 7970(R797OC-3GD) BIOS Flash Help on: June 16, 2013, 01:02:39 AM
never buy gigabyte cards
1560  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Computer crashes with three graphics running at the same time despite 1200w PSU on: June 16, 2013, 01:00:46 AM
this should be in the hardware forum i think, but

i don't see the power supply?

if it's some cheap generic pos and your cards by themselves are using 950 watts, then you best have ubuntu on a usb stick or something
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