I worked that out and I'm now just trying to get the thread back on-topic. He's going to keep ranting on like a madman but he should at least do it in the appropriate places.

I know that it is impossible for you to understand anything but here goes one last time. The CGF died due to lack of interest. Provably fair is alive and well but that isn't the subject of this thread.

If you want to talk about the pros and cons of provably fair versus licensed casinos using certified RNGs or payout ratio algorithms you should make a thread about it on the gambling discussion board.
If you want to talk about Stake's service you should post in their ANN thread.
If you want to make allegations against them you just make a thread on the scam accusations board.

I know you have seen the forum rules because you quoted the bump rule but you seem to have missed rule 2.


Only discussion about the CGF itself is on-topic in this thread.

wetsuit is the OP of this thread and the owner and admin of Freebitcoin. I'll only know when he will get back to me after he does it.

That and the rest of your ranting has nothing to do with CGF and is off-topic for this thread. Stop spamming.

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You've only just seen the ANN to a project that died 5 years ago because some pinhead is spamming it about a problem he has with a casino.

I am the support service. Until wetsuit gets back to me there's nothing I can do.

No. You still don't get it. Provably fair gives every customer the opportunity to prove fairness to themselves.


That's the reason your spamming here is pointless. It's a dead project. Their forum link in the OP is dead  http://forum.cryptogambling.org/ . The people who posted in this thread keep seeing it on their Updated Topics every time you repeat your fallacy. Annoying us and making yourself look stupid is the only thing you are achieving here.


The point is that provably fair is an alternative to certification by authorities. You can either trust someone else to tell you if it is fair or you can put the effort in to check it yourself. If you prefer the former then you are free to play at such venues. Nobody is forcing you to choose a provably fair site.


I disagree and even if it was true a few hundred thousand isn't a large number.




The fallacy and stupidity of that argument. If everyone experiences even luck there would be no point in gambling on random outcomes. Everyone would always lose the house edge. The whole business is based on some people getting lucky and others not. Without variance of luck gambling wouldn't exist.


So go and talk to Stake about it rather than spamming an unrelated thread. They are not reading this. People who were interested in the Crypto Gambling Foundation project when it existed are.


Because I'm replying to your off-topic spam in a thread I previously posted in. Stop posting it here and you won't have to listen to me.


Just repeating it doesn't make it correct.

Let me ask you a question. If you seriously believe that playing 181,000 hands must result in you losing exactly the house edge, why on earth do you play?
It's a rhetorical question so don't answer.
The subject of this thread is CGF. You have already established that CGF cannot be contacted. All your comments about Stake, provably fair Vs. certified RNGs and the fallacy of perfect luck distribution do not belong here.

If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that provably fair allows each customer to check fairness themselves and has nothing to to with auditors.


If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that statistics can't prove fairness.


You would ignore them the same way you ignore the rest of us if they pointed out the fallacy and stupidity of your argument.
If you had bothered to listen to the answers you have been given you would already know that losing more than the house edge is bad luck. luck and fairness are 2 different things.

I'm waiting for wetsuit to get back to me. it's not something I can check any more than what you can see on your screenshot.

I have indeed been away for the holidays and had less time than usual for support. It looks like the maintenance at the hosting facility caused a few problems that will be resolved (eg the lotto). The main problem with the contact us form for support is that it gets spammed by so many people who didn't even read the pages first. That makes spotting actual issues very difficult.

Yes, but only one of those is telling you if it was fair.

It's an issue I've only seen a couple of times before but only when using automation. This is the first report in our 9 years of someone being able to place bets manually faster than their browser can keep up with.

You still don't understand it. You had the chance to check whether every single bet was fair or not. That's what provably fair does. Looking at your results can only tell you if you were lucky or not.

It certainly gives the impression of being automated. I apologise if you really are crazy enough to hammer away at the keyboard that quickly.

Edit:

I have finally managed to replicate the decimal issue. The rolls are calculated to 2 decimals on the server so additional decimals sent are just ignored anyway so that's not the problem. There is sometimes an issue with rolls not getting displayed in the local history that people using auto bet experience when their browser isn't quick enough to keep up with the server. You can spot that by missing nonce on the verify links and then missing rolls are filled in after reloading the page. I think you are running into a similar issue where you just playing too quickly for your browser to render the rolls correctly to your local roll history.
Going back to your screenshots posted earlier it looks, for example, the bottom bet was 11.01 then you increased to 26 so 3 keystrokes +5 +10 then L but your display hadn't caught up and recorded it at 16 rather 26. It's just a local lag. The rolls performed on the server match the keystrokes you entered but your display is lagging behind.

I'll go back to this recommendation.


Make sure that the multiplier displayed matches the keystrokes you entered before rolling. Give your display time to catch up with your requests.

No. You are obviously too thick to understand what people are telling you and incapable of proving anything to yourself. I recommend you stop gambling because if even understanding what provably fair is and can or cannot do is too complicated for you you'll never know when you actually do get cheated.

It might have been a good idea for you to find out what provably fair is before spamming dumb questions. Each individual bet is provably fair and gives you the opportunity to test that fairness yourself. Maybe you could try using provably fair to answer your questions. That's what it is there for.

Which is a form of script and automation. That's where YOUR bug is. Please correct YOUR script.


You continually denied using a script which made it impossible to help you. It is impossible to reproduce your problem playing manually because when you enter an invalid multiplier it is automatically corrected for you to the nearest available multiplier. I would guess if you added a TAB keystroke after the multiplier to your script that would allow it to get corrected.

I write on each bet "Winners will be declared and paid out within 48 hours of the event ending.".

The world cup was in a different timezone so you didn't need to wait for me to wake up in the morning and check last night's results before doing the payouts.

I would suggest you slow down a bit. Making 4 rolls per second manually can lead to errors on your part.



While it *might* be technically possible to click roll 4 times in one second it certainly isn't possible to change the bet odds 4 times and click roll in between that quickly.


Yes. We only write 2 decimals to your roll history. So something else is writing that incorrect roll history.
There is another giveaway as well. Just using the first roll as an example. It isn't possible to make a 31.0099999 bet because if you entered it manually it would change it to a 31.05x bet as soon as you click elsewhere.
Because we use whole numbers it gives:
To win, BET HI and get a number higher than 9694 or BET LO and get a number lower than 306
If we actually allowed a 31.009999 bet it would be the same win/lose numbers but you would get paid less on a large bet.

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Sorry about the delay. Something occurred during some maintenance at the hosting facility but it's been rectified now.

I need the link to the verifier to see the nonce so I can find the roll in the database.


Our site only displays 2 decimal places on the multiplier so the first image has been rendered by something else. The second screenshot is loaded from the database so it shows you what that something else really did rather than what it told you it did.


It is a bug in whatever 3rd party script or app you are using and not a bug in our site.


Edit: fixed BBCode to display inline images.

As I replied to your PM, I need the account ID and the link to the verifier to be able to check the database to see what actual bet was placed. Also, can I ask if you were using any third party scripts? The only time I've ever seen anything like this before was a script rendering the incorrect details to the roll history (easily resolved by reloading the page).