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161  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: June 08, 2015, 11:56:40 PM
I agree this would be a great idea.
+1

Right now they're drawing less than 3W (probably less than 2.7, really) at 8.25GH per stick. The heatsink gets toasty in still air (especially the already-warm air in the shop) but it's not danger-zone hot for sure. If you want to push them up past probably 10GH (estimated 3.1W or so) I'd recommend air. I've tested the sticks for starting up to 250MHz (~14GH, estimated 5.5W) but I didn't run them for endurance so I don't know how well the stock heatsink with airflow works up that high. Yet.

Proto PCBs have been ordered for a chips-only 18-board (basically, a passive TypeZero Spec1, does not have power or control on board) and for the revised (version 0.4) Compac PCB which implements the changes to the previous PCB that got these sticks working. Technically only the silver-heatsink one has all the changes, as it's the one with the deadbugged modified level shifter circuit. The rest are still using the old circuit, which has both more complexity and worse performance.

Also, to note, three of the five sticks there are using chips pulled from one of those donated dead S5 miners from a while back. The sixth stick (what with the hardware errors) also has a pulled chip, which might explain a bit.

I'll probably be sending some of these guys out to my first-wave testers, maybe tomorrow if they run overnight without issue. In a week or two when I have the sample heatsinks and fresh PCBs in hand I'll build what I hope is the final version and get them out. If we have good word from Bitmain by then about fetching chips, and the boards test out well (I'll be looking forward to a review thread, whether it's good news or bad news I like having honest feedback), maybe we can start taking orders. We'll have a pick-and-place and a nice new SMD oven up and going here soon so it shouldn't take forever+day to assemble these things.

If can image the sdcard and send a copy to me so

I can run it on a rasp pi.  I would copy sdcards for rasp pi's. offering a sdcard /hub/stick package for a new buyer may be a good selling idea.

A real plug and play for the masses.
162  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: June 08, 2015, 10:59:43 PM
What if he does not have a soul, what will you do then??

Why must you requote the question within your question?

isn't answering a question by quoting the said question which contains a quote of a question within another question in a quote fun?  Grin

Do you need to say quote so many times?
Fuck quotes, can I murder your soul?
163  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: June 08, 2015, 08:20:34 AM
It could be many things. What do you think it really is if not F'd up??

Why it would be fucked up?
164  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: June 07, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
That is very good news indeed.


Bitmain just let me know they're checking stock on chips, so hopefully they have enough that we can move forward on the build. Novak's talking to a new US-based proto-etch place we'd like to have run out the next Compac PCB, but in the meantime I reckon I'll be working on getting the last batch assembled and modified, if only to have something to play with. That and all the other stuff Novak and I have to do will be keeping us pretty busy.
165  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: June 07, 2015, 11:01:51 PM
Why was he mowing your lawn, was he hard up for money?


Nah Jesus was just skating on ice and people decided it was water.  Did you not know that Jesus was a hockey player??

It's walking on water? Does that mean it's Jesus?
Did you know that Jesus was against premarital sex so instead he anally fucked your mother (since it wasnt vaginal intercourse as defined by the bible)?

Did you know that I caught Jesus fucking my daughter after he mowed my lawn?
166  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: June 07, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
Nah Jesus was just skating on ice and people decided it was water.  Did you not know that Jesus was a hockey player??

It's walking on water? Does that mean it's Jesus?
167  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: June 07, 2015, 08:53:23 PM
Why should we worry about where he is going when he looks so cool getting there??

Shouldn't we be focusing more on where it is going rather than it's type?
168  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: June 07, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
Just let me know when and I will buy a couple from you and give you feedback.
I am still happy you are doing this.


Not a bad nine-hour day today. Actually, no it was a pretty lousy nine-hour day today. End of yesterday I had three working sticks. End of today I have four working sticks. I started building five and got two of them going, but my original stick decided to throw power issues when I plugged it back in at the end of the day. The three other non-working sticks are also giving power issues. Probably nothing too substantial, maybe pull and reseat the buck driver. I wasted a lot of time with pulled chips; I think the whole board I started pulling from must be dead because not a single stick lit up with those chips but they started behaving a lot better when I pulled chips off a previously tested (mostly) functional S5 board. One of the primary problems I was seeing (besides "whoops there's no Vcore power) is UART stuff, and after the ASIC itself one of the most finicky chips is this stupid little SC70 level shifter that's never really worked right and it's really hard to put on proper and the thing's just stupid and I hate it. But the good news is that won't be on the next version of the PCB because after learning a bit more about chip functions and such, I figured out I can actually replace that part with a couple passives and some clever wiring and it's cheaper and better and also way less annoying. The last stick I got working today was giving me worse fits than usual with this part, so I chucked it and deadbugged the new circuit onto the board and it's currently hashing away right now.

Maybe tomorrow I'll diagnose the problems with the power on the other sticks and get some more working. I need to have a few to show off, you understand. And maybe one for Novak to gank so he can work on the code.

Sample heatsinks are on the way which I'll use on the next-rev PCBs. They're not the right color but should be mechanically as-designed so I'll need to test fit those and make sure they're right when they come in next week.

I also need to figure out what's the holdup compiling cgminer on my workbench machine. The OS has never worked satisfactorily and I need to reload the thing anyway, but right now I'm stuck testing with a dodgy XP laptop that doesn't like more than one stick at a time running without errors. So y'all biscuitheads will have to wait for the latest and greatest in stickminer orgy porn until I can get some more heatsinks worked up and shift my test hub over to something that'll support five or six sticks at once. Which actually won't be that hard since the test hub already has a molex wired onto it and the fileserver has cgminer running with one of our two-chip test setups so I'll probably just use that. On another day. Right now it's about time to pass out.
169  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: June 01, 2015, 01:17:53 AM
There are lots of new avatars lately don't you think?

Who likes my new avatar ?
Would you like me for liking it?
170  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: May 20, 2015, 10:46:49 PM
Looking forward to this very much.
Nice work on these.

When I have a final manufacturable design that's independently proven to work as advertised, and when I have secured a chip source. Not before both of those conditions are met.
171  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: May 13, 2015, 05:08:08 AM
Not really it seems to be the norm in this thread.
Do you think we should change the status quo??

don't you feel ashamed by making such tower of quotes?
172  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: May 13, 2015, 03:48:44 AM
I have no clue. Why would a cowboy whistle when he is sitting in the outhouse?

why wouldn't it be ?

well, do the fighters like to fight?

maybe some of them dont ?
Are you implying they are closet fighters?
(BTW, did you notice you are the 8008th post? I love 8008s! Tongue)

Aren't you the 8008th post?

Is Shemp mowing posts again or am I the new 8008 guy?

8008 means BOOB right?

First, we were stuck on page 400 like forever, now how the fuck did you become the 8008 guy?
Would someone please delete a couple of their posts so I can be the 8008 guy?

If I pay Larry to pay Shemp to Moe some Curly posts, would you, the 8008 guy, be happy being the 8008 guy once again?

For him to be the 8008 guy again, wouldn't that mean that the 8008 post would have to be deleted so it could be achieved again? And if so, wouldn't there be a risk for him not to become the 8008 guy? And even if the post was deleted, the 8008 guy would cease to exist so he would become that guy for the first time, and not again, so would it be worth the risk?

Did you forget that it doesn't have to be the exact 8008th post that needs to be deleted, and that some other post(s) pages ago that was already quoted could've been deleted to accomplish said task, albeit I'm not sure if that's what happened via some cowboy?

What does a cowboy have to do with it?

You'd ne'er heard da whistlin' cowboy?

Do what now?
173  Economy / Gambling / Re: World Aid Coin Game Official Announcement on: May 12, 2015, 05:50:36 PM
Not sure who is I cannot remember. LOL I have been on since day one.  I don't get to play much though. I like it is fun when I do.


Oh yes you are not wrong Mane whpo is your sponsor on there? You been playing for ages like
174  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: May 12, 2015, 01:23:22 AM
You are on a roll.  This project is so cool.  I really look forward to these.


If it was BGA I wouldn't be messing with it. The QFN is bad enough by itself. I wish this chip had a larger cross-section of pad at the edge, which would make checking solder jobs better because it'd wrap around a bit. I think the most problem I have right now is being able to stick the chips down reliably. The alignment is difficult because there's basically zero reference for when it's in place (and it has to be correct within a quarter millimeter on two axes) and I can't trust floatation because if there's enough solder on the belly pad to float into place the pins might not get soldered, and if I press it down to connect those the belly solder could bulge out and short across to anything, including the corner Vcore pads and short out basically anything.

I've succeeded in getting two of four sticks hashing unstably and unreliably but I have seen submitted shares. I can't say for sure what the issue is that gets the chip working haphazardly at about 10% capacity, because the breakout boards were pretty much all-or-nothing. Could be signal integrity issues, I really don't know but I hope that's not the case because if it's a result of PCB layout we got problems. The signal traces are between ground planes - at least they should be if the etch fab didn't get layers out of order.

Anyway, here's a sneak peek at the sticks.



Got ya a fully populated boar with heatsink temporarily attached. The final heatsinks will probably be that dimension but anodized green. Note that about 2/3 of the visible area is the bigass regulator, complete with external FETs and 360uF of output capacitance for handling about 20A of low-volt DC. The adjustment pot is in the bottom corner.



Here's some crap plugged into my jankety powered hub. The crapstack in the back you might recognize as a 1384 breakout board on the test regulator and running off one of Novak's USB adapters. The thing in the foreground is literally everything I just said except on one board quite a bit smaller. You might note a lot of flux crust and such around the ASIC. That's because I've pulled the thing, restuck the thing, wicked pads, pushed it around and whatever probably close to a dozen times. Ain't fun when every piece of the circuit seems to work just fine except for the core. Let's think of it as "in a vegetative state".
175  Economy / Gambling / Re: World Aid Coin Game Official Announcement on: May 11, 2015, 10:06:25 PM
It is fun for sure.
The game is getting better too. I think the upcoming updates will be good.


Well I casshed out a few but still have plenty to play with  Grin Saving some for the new majic egg machine it sounds like a whole lotta fun
176  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: April 27, 2015, 04:36:07 AM
Why would someone do that??


Is this the last post on page 400?
Aren't there only 20 posts per page? Doesn't that mean we have 6 left to go? Am I mathing right?
Alright, who is the funny guy who keeps deleting his posts to keep us on page 400?
177  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: April 25, 2015, 11:55:38 PM
If there is what do you suppose it should look like?

Where were you, and what were you doning on April 20, 2015?
You mean 4/20?
The real question is, What do you think he was doing??
If he was doning wasn't he in the act of giving blood? http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/doning
Is this some kind of joke?
How would I remember what I was donning that day, except generically (trousers, shirt, shoes, etc.)?
When did you get an avatar?
Didn't you know that avatar uploads are again enabled in this forum, through your profile page?

Is there an avatar depicting doning vs. doing?
178  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: April 25, 2015, 07:18:20 AM
I am ready to test when you need.
This project has made me happy. It is nice to see things going on other than just big companies.


Compac PCB prototypes were ordered today, only about 1.5 hours behind schedule but a fair amount of that was because I spent the extra time designing a new BM1384 breakout board on which I can more effectively test parallel and string configurations. This coming week I'll be working on beefy regulator design which will end up going on the TypeZero (and probably other things that are way behind schedule), and once the new boards come in and Compacs are tested, I'll start Amita testing with the new breakout board. Hopefully there's no trouble and I can get the Amita design completed soon.

There will be no bulk discounts for the Compac. The price is the price. If you want to middleman and resell on eBay, I reckon that's fine but your inventory cost will be the same as anyone else's. I need to go back over pricing with the new design and get a bead on the actual costs so I can reevaluate the sale price, but hopefully $20 is still within reason. The Amita will have the same regulator as the Compac (I need only change two parts, I think, to get the higher voltage range out of it for a two-chip string), and then a second chip, second heatsink, 40mm more PCB and probably another dollar in support components so if the Compac sells for $20 hopefully the Amita can sell for $30.

So, question. Assuming we can get, say, 1000 chips from Bitmain, how do we want to divide them up? We could do 600x Compac and 200x Amita, or 700x Compac and 150x Amita, or something like that. Where's demand? How should we apportion things? Additionally, if Compacs cost approaching $20 to make, making 600 of them means about a $12K investment to run out the full batch. How much of this should we try to out-of-pocket, and how much should we try to gather - and by what means - before ordering materials for the batch? So basically, should we attempt a pre-order to pay for parts and get everything done in one go, or should we build as resources allow and only sell in-hand miners (at reduced and somewhat drawn-out quantities)?

Not one satoshi will be requested until after prototypes of the final design are dispersed and thoroughly tested by trusted members of the community. Do not trust anyone claiming to represent me if he acts in contradiction to this policy.
179  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: April 25, 2015, 01:19:50 AM
The real question is, What do you think he was doing??

Where were you, and what were you doning on April 20, 2015?

You mean 4/20?
180  Other / Off-topic / Re: Answer the question above with a question. on: April 24, 2015, 12:43:03 AM
There are only two directions??  Why not an infinite number of directions??

Can somebody please give me the right directions?
Well, "<-----------------------" is a left direction, "----------------------->" is a right direction; do you really need more than one?

How do you go up, how do you go down, how do you go forward or backward?
How can you live with only those 2 directions?
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