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1681  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Target your wins in a series of bets on: December 19, 2023, 11:58:19 AM
I don't think this approach works as how OP said it. Sometimes, out of 10 games, you'll get 5, 10, or even more lose streak depending on your luck. So the title is a little confusing as to how will you target your wins in a series of bets. If you want less stress or pressure when gambling, gamble smart, manage your bankroll wisely. Don't focus to much on winning or even chasing your losses. Trust your gut feeling and luck and stay disciplined get out with even little profit when you can.
I agree. I think it's best to not aim for or set an expectation or goal of a desired number of wins because, as long as you don't get that number of wins, you will not stop playing until you notice that you are losing and losing more money. I think it's best that, for example, you limit yourself to betting on 10 bets only, and no matter what the result is, like 5-5 or 9-1 wins or losses, you will accept it even if the majority of the bets are majority. In that way, you will minimise your losses and will not overspend or lose control over the bets.

You are right; don't focus on the winnings alone. Also, don't always monitor your winnings; just keep on betting based on your number of sets of bets. I do this kind of method by setting up a set of bets, and whether I win or lose doesn't matter; I will accept it.

Putting hope or even increasing expectations is the same as you want something with the assumption that 90% must happen and obviously with such an approach it is very likely that if the final result loses then your level of disappointment will be much higher because from the beginning you have set the amount you want to win, not only that, on the other hand I think there will still be other trials or that means when you do manage to win but the amount cannot reach the amount you expected then obviously you will not stop and instead continue, the question is whether you will be able to reach such an amount? not necessarily and maybe you even run out of all your previous winnings.

That is one approach that is not recommended and should be avoided, as you said that if they lose then obviously they will continue to play by depositing more money to achieve the planned victory, yes your advice is quite good, and in conclusion never target the amount of victory because it is the beginning of many disasters, they must return to the initial understanding that gambling is nothing more than a game of chance, so there is no certainty whatsoever so it makes no sense if you target the amount of victory. Bet with the amount you can afford and don't put any expectations, after all if you are lucky then you will win.

1682  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 19, 2023, 11:30:27 AM

Many people have experienced incidents like this where when someone experiences a loss from gambling and there is an urge to recover their losses by depositing more money. This has been experienced by many gamblers where it would never be recommended because deciding to continue gambling will not guarantee they can win. They can experience more losses and if they don't realize it soon, they will only repeat it again and in the end, they will become addicted to gambling.

This must be stopped immediately so that they can avoid more losses and it is true that a gambler must have limits in gambling so that he does not lose a lot of money and can also prevent himself from becoming addicted to gambling. He doesn't need to pursue victory or recover from his losses because that is difficult. That is why a gambler must really be able to control himself when gambling and learn to be disciplined in using his money to gamble. That's what makes them responsible people when playing gambling.
And that is the scary part, every single gambler out there has experimented losses and thought about betting a little bit more to give themselves the chance to recover the money they have lost, however the majority of the gamblers can control themselves and avoid doing so, while a minority decides to follow those feelings and that is when they start a journey that is bound to not end well, as even if they do not become addicted they will lose way more money than what they wanted during that session.

I don't think it's experimenting but rather referring to reckless and stupid actions, basically there is no need to experiment because it's clear that the concept of gambling is only about luck and that means that it's almost impossible for anyone to get a lucky streak to get a win or recover and restore what has been lost there, your idea is quite good but I think the analogy is a little reversed in that the majority of gamblers cannot control themselves and always overreact, and only a few (minority) gamblers are able to restrain their overreaction or that means only a few of them still maintain their awareness not to overreact.

In fact more of the gamblers who apply excessive behavior to their involvement because they come with the wrong goals and mindset such as misunderstanding what probability means, they think that winning is certain and they will get a lot of money but what they don't realize is that the actual fact is that the risk is much greater because the percentage of winning is much smaller than losing, this is business for casinos and that is why in 10x trials for example we will probably only be able to get one/two wins or even nothing at all.
1683  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: December 19, 2023, 11:10:31 AM
Society shuns gambling losses, yet they must be acknowledged. Gamblers who acknowledge defeat seek advice because it's a major loss. This disclosure deserves understanding and advice, not mockery. Why? Because acknowledging a problem is the first step to fixing it. Gamblers seek losses because they think a large victory is coming. But this loop deepens the financial abyss.

Addiction is a major issue. Gamblers lose sight of time and money constraints. Gambling over their means causes financial and mental stress. New gamblers must be warned of these hazards. Prevention of excessive gambling and addiction requires awareness. We must encourage safe gaming and help those in need. Not just financial health, but total well-being.
The message is out there for those that want to listen, as you can find all kind of warnings against excessive gambling all over the internet, however those warnings are often ignored by gamblers of all ages as they believe this could not possibly happen to them.

But that is a mistake, an addiction can happen to anyone at any time and we must be prepared to prevent it, since overcoming an addiction is way harder than avoiding for the addiction to take place on the first place.

Taking it lightly and ignoring some of the horrible possibilities that basically it is a very possible thing, right they believe that they are unlikely to become one of the addicted people when it all happens slowly and often we find that lately more gamblers are addicted without realizing it, or that means they just keep playing without caring about some things that should be considered so that they are unconsciously carried away and trapped in a cycle of winning addiction and losing curiosity.

Therefore I hope you or they can be more respectful of some advice or warnings given by others including some of your close friends, because after all they suggest something better for you, and also because of course as you said and I mentioned above that addiction can come at any time and usually unconsciously, and they will only realize all of that when they have really lost a significant amount. So prevention is better than cure.
1684  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: December 19, 2023, 10:44:05 AM
making income from gambling is very wrong, but if you work or are an affiliate you can consider it, I very rarely hear of gamblers becoming rich, unless they are bookies, they cannot predict what percentage of winnings will come, if I were asked I would use my money to trade because it can predict a win of at least 60%
basically gambling is a game of chance, it's not easy for someone to make money from gambling, for those who can, maybe only people who are really smart in their skills, especially in the field of sports betting or skill-based games, but for me, that's not enough to make it a job. permanent or as a main income because gambling cannot be predicted with certainty and as far as I know, gambling mostly results in losses rather than profits.
Gambling is full of risks. If someone uses gambling as their main income, they must be prepared to risk losing more if it doesn't meet expectations.

Exactly and of course gambling is nothing more than a game of probability which has absolutely no certainty and guarantee of results, or that means anyone who has been involved for a long time or who has just come to get involved will never know what the final result will be like, between winning and losing is really out of control, sometimes when we play carelessly the result is winning but when we play seriously the end result is actually losing more, to be honest I experienced this, especially in gambling that purely relies on luck like slot machines.

Yes, I quite believe that they can win quite often if they bet on skill-based gambling like the sports you mentioned, it is true that if we have good insight and skills in the world of sports then indirectly it will bring us closer depends on luck to win, but still, even if you have good skills, this is still gambling where there are two definite results at the end of the session, namely winning and losing, we often see and it is not uncommon for some top class teams to win. beat by a weak team and that means if we bet then we will definitely lose. So the point is, however, that gambling cannot be made into a main job at all, it is dangerous, it is better to just make this activity a place of entertainment when you feel bored or have free time, that is better.
1685  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you have a "gambling problem" which you can sometimes control for years? on: December 19, 2023, 10:24:01 AM
Let's start with the simple choice: Do you consider yourself to have a gambling problem affecting your happiness, security, relationships, finances, etc? (Yes or No)
Now, here is something a bit different: Do you have a "gambling problem" which you can sometimes control for years? Either you make enough income to call it "adult play", so you do not have real problems, and/or you simply stop for a long time. Then - months or years later - it gets worse again and you are in trouble.

(First question was above)
(Second question) Either way, when it's time to stop, how exactly do you do it? (For example) Change other habits, go new places, exercise more, stop drinking, simply "swear off" gambling... How exactly do you stop? Thank you.
I personally don't have a gambling problem that affects any of the above mentioned factors but wait... With finances I think that was a bit of a problem because I only gamble with my extra money. Without it then literally means I had to wait and relax until extra funds will pop up like a bubble and then gone when we lose.

The truth is that if we come with the right goals and approach I think we will also not have problems in gambling, usually people will get problems when everything is out of control, or that means they act beyond their abilities such as in putting too large a budget amount which will obviously become a problem for their finances and lose balance in terms of financial management because maybe they allocate more money to gambling than for their living needs.

Betting with a small amount of money is more advisable and never put an amount that you want something or means you put hope in that money, after all this is just a game of probability and what you are doing is good enough that you only bet with extra money or bonuses that you get from your job maybe, there is no need to rush to get involved, after all even if you come late it doesn't affect luck at all, or that means because luck cannot be predicted when it comes so you are free to bet at any time if you already have a budget amount that you can allocate.
1686  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 18, 2023, 03:07:15 PM
Leverkusen's excellent season in UCL. They managed to qualify from group H without losing. 18 points with 19 goals and only conceded 3 goals. Making them have a new history in Europe. Indeed, in Group H competition, Leverkusen is in a fairly easy group. Even I don't know many other teams. The real test will be in the knockout. If they are able to make it to the Semi-finals it is very good.
finishing Group H without losing and having such a big goal difference? Seriously, thats pretty cool. In my opinion, Xabi Alonso is leading the team magnificently. Their stability is impressive, both in Europe and in the Bundesliga. Especially impressive to me have been their games against Bayern Munich. You can tell they're a strong team because they dont just beat easy teams. Im pretty sure they'll make it to the knockout rounds. Personally, Im excited to see how Leverkusen handles the pressure when they play better teams. Watching them play is exciting because I know they can go far, maybe even to the semi-finals.
Xabi Alonso has managed to create a very good balance for Leverkusen since his appointment. And we can see the results now, both in the Bundesliga and in the Europa League. They are the only club yet to lose in the domestic league, or here. And more convincingly they are the only club to have won all the matches they have played in the Europa League, despite their opponents being fairly easy to beat, but still to win it takes hard work, and they did it.
No wonder when many say they are one of the favorites other than Liverpool, it is the fruit of their hard work. I also have to appreciate the performance of the coaching team, because without them we wouldn't see the Leverkusen we see today.
1687  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: December 18, 2023, 02:47:28 PM

Lille as well did their best against a team that is considered big in the Ligue 1, before the match I had taught that PSG, I had taught PSG will be able to win this game so they will be able to further strengthen their position on the table but then it's more likely they may be displaced by Nice if they continually perform with this form. I'm optimistic PSG will get back in form and definitely win the league title because it's easier for them and they have more chances with the Ligue 1 that with the UCL
Yes, Lille played well at home and made it difficult for PSG to get full points so they had to share the points, at least PSG's winning record in the last five matches was stopped by Lille, I don't think Nice will succeed in overtaking PSG, let alone replacing them at the top of the standings because the point difference is quite wide, making It will be difficult for Nice to catch up with PSG in the near future unless PSG loses points in several matches.

But it seems difficult to make PSG drop points and right now as we can see no club has broken PSG's unbeaten record in their last five matches, a difference of five points will not make it possible for Nice to replace it too, I think PSG's draw against Lille is just Not so lucky, apart from that, PSG also played optimally, but Lille was quite tough today.
This draw is indeed worthy of Lille, because in terms of the game they can provide a fierce resistance to Paris Siant Germain, even though they have to wait until extra time to create a goal. Maybe we will think that this is a luck that Lile got, I can't say it's wrong because they might get luck at the last minute. But we also have to see how their efforts during the match resulted in a goal that might be related to luck.
Actualy, this is an opportunity for Nice to get closer to Paris Sant Germain. But before that Nice also had to experience defeat when they traveled to Le Havre headquarters this week.
1688  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 18, 2023, 02:32:11 PM
Girona have a good chance of extending their winning record in this match, Alaves are not a big or strong club although we can't underestimate them. But still with what Girona are showing at the moment, it gives an idea of how the match will go later. On the other hand Alaves must realize that the opponent they will face this time is a strong club that is fighting for their position in the tight competition in the top flight.
I also predict that Girona will most likely be able to win this match. Yes they have the ability to do so, especially since they will play the match at their own headquarters. Now they also have a task that will spur them on after Real Madrid who played earlier this week can win their match, Girona must win if they want to return to the top of the table.
Alaves has a poor away record this season and on the other hand the Girona team is in its best form at the moment which of course makes the possibility of Girona winning this match quite big.
This is an unbalanced match in my opinion unless there is a big surprise in this match that deprives Girona of getting 3 points, but I think that is very unlikely.
Currently, Girona is competing fiercely with Real Madrid for the top position in the La Liga standings, which is certain because this makes Girona's motivation to win the match much greater.
Yes I agree that it might not be an even match, as Girona have the upper hand right now. And you're right too, that the surprise that could cost Girona the game is that they're unlucky in this one. Because if we look at the statistics of both clubs this season, anyone would say that Girona will be the winner.
One of Girona's weapons this season is the sharpness of their attacking line, and coincidentally in this match they will face a club that has a defense that is not tough, it is a plus point for them.



Finally Girona slipped from the top number 1 position.  And Real Madrid occupied the first position of the points table.  But so far Real Madrid is only 1 point ahead of Girona.  Meanwhile, Girona has a match against Deportivo Alaves tomorrow. In this match, Girona is much stronger than their opponents, so Girona can win this match by a good goal margin, so they can move past Real Madrid to the 1st position again. But if Girona unfortunately lose a match they will be more points behind Real Madrid which is why I don't think they will be able to overtake Real Madrid later on.
That's not a slip, because Girona haven't played this week and they're only playing in the next few hours. I can say they slipped up if they lose this match. But so far they have a very big chance of getting back to the top of the table as I said earlier.
I'm sure they've prepared for this match as well as they can, no matter if the opponent is a weak club or not, because they want to give their best.
1689  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 18, 2023, 02:15:42 PM
But at least Union Berlin still have fewer matches than other teams so they still have good savings for the next match.

They still have to play against Bayern Munich....

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3 teams are currently in the relegation zone. Darmstadt, Mainz and Köln. All three teams have the opportunity to leave the relegation zone. And all three teams will play against other teams that have not impressed in the last games. Darmstadt and Mainz will play against Hoffenheim and Dortmund. And if one look at the performance of the last few games, it was not impressive. Perhaps we will see a few surprises at the last matchday of the year.

Yes, maybe they still have 1 more match than other clubs, but it should also be noted who will be their opponent in the delayed match.
This week alone they have lost again to a club that is not much different from them, to be honest personally my doubts about them this season are getting bigger after they experience defeat after defeat every week. Yes they still have a second round to utilize and improve their position in the standings. But again it is not an easy task, because they must really take advantage of their opportunities, for example in bringing in new players. Even if they can bring in new players, it is not certain that the new players can make a big contribution to the team.
1690  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 18, 2023, 02:00:09 PM
I'm still waiting to see what the SPL clubs will do in this transfer window. As we know they made a big breakthrough by recruiting many star players who had to spend their money in fantastic amounts. Not only in transfer fees but also it concerns the salaries that players get with them. But it paid off when their league became more popular now, and I'm sure many of us started to highlight the SPL after many European players came here, yes one of them is me.


If the main goal for Barcelona is money, then selling Lewandowski to an Arab club is a good option, as they will certainly get a lot of money from the sale of this player. But they have to consider everything before they decide on that, one of which is what you said about his potential replacement who can replace his role well. It's difficult to find a player who has good ability in the opposing defense, and even some clubs now have that problem. Would they be willing to risk their squad if they decided to sell Lewandowski? That risk would not only affect their La Liga campaign, but also the bigger competitions such as the Champions League. They have to consider all of that.
In fact, Barcelona goal is to retain young players, such as retaining Joao Felix, but only requires money to make him permanent, so the main solution to sell Lewandowski to Saudi Arabia, but unfortunately, Lewandowski seems to have rejected the offer, even though if Lewandowski can have a career at one of the clubs in the Saudi pro league, his future certain. will be good and one side also gets a very large salary.

Yes it's a logical policy when Barcelona are more concerned with young players for their future, but if the squad is completely populated by young players it's also not good, still they must have a balance in the squad between young players and senior players. Because if they do that, it will be a risk because I see young players also not fully able to stabilize in maintaining their performance. and also the most important thing is that their mentality is still very questionable. For a big club like them, mentality will be very necessary to support their game.
1691  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: December 18, 2023, 01:10:39 PM
No gambler will say publicly about his defeat and the majority of gamblers will only talk about the wins they have had.
When there is gambler who actually says his defeat it means it was big defeat and he talks about it to ask for suggestions and advice regarding his defeat.
Moreover, when gambler tells of his defeat, he will definitely only be called stupid gambler because he lost his money in betting, things like this will always happen in social environment.
Maybe there are several people who will give advice and direction to stop or reduce the intensity of the gambling they do and of course there are still very few people who care like this out there.

Most gamblers, after getting their winning, don't immediately withdraw it but try to make another win by betting more, only in the end they don't get the winning but all the winning money runs out without any remaining.
And I agree that money will be very valuable but this is why many gamblers try to gain more from gambling and try to recover when they suffer losses.
This attitude is what most gamblers always do and indeed the best step is to have time and financial limits.

But about gambling addicts they can't set limits and they can't set time for when to play and stop, even they can't manage their finances well.
If you think about it logically, gambling addict becomes person who really experiences big losses financially, even though psychologically they also experience pressure.
But in terms of financial calculations, gambling addict bets without having any limits.
They will lose any amount of money just for gambling and when they realize it is all gone and they have to spend some money back to pay professional who can help cure them of the problem of gambling addiction.
This kind of understanding must be given to novice gamblers so that they can be careful and avoid excessive gambling activities that can cause addiction.
Society shuns gambling losses, yet they must be acknowledged. Gamblers who acknowledge defeat seek advice because it's a major loss. This disclosure deserves understanding and advice, not mockery. Why? Because acknowledging a problem is the first step to fixing it. Gamblers seek losses because they think a large victory is coming. But this loop deepens the financial abyss.

Addiction is a major issue. Gamblers lose sight of time and money constraints. Gambling over their means causes financial and mental stress. New gamblers must be warned of these hazards. Prevention of excessive gambling and addiction requires awareness. We must encourage safe gaming and help those in need. Not just financial health, but total well-being.

Honestly, I rarely see some gamblers who want to be honest and admit how much they lost, which of course makes them suffer, especially in terms of their finances which are getting worse, it takes courage and mentality to admit it to others, because of course I think it is not uncommon for some other people to say "consistent deposits without any withdrawals" isn't that a mockery? of course, and that's what makes it difficult for gamblers to admit everything to others or especially some of their close friends, they avoid ridicule that can make them quite embarrassed, even though on the other hand it is actually a pretty good confession, as you said that they are willing to admit all of that is none other than because they need some advice from others who might be useful to improve the situation with some suggestions that they can consider.

Yes it is the main problem that is at the peak of the impact of gambling, it is not easy to get through every time if you are already lost in the cycle of addiction, mental stress and psychological disorders are already a part that you will always feel, the worsening of finances is the main problem that certainly makes you feel a lot of pressure like that, it is not uncommon to end up stress/depression because it is not strong with all the pressure in that position. Of course, I never get tired of reminding gamblers especially newbies who just come, because lately I see more who bring unreasonable goals from most of those who come.
1692  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: December 18, 2023, 12:52:53 PM

Many gamblers had tried this means but it doesn't ended well so why are we are going to think that it will works for us. Gambling is not a job so we should not see it as a major means of survival. We can earn and make money from gambling but we also have to be prepared and take proper precautions so that we don't end up lose more that what we plan earning from the market.

We need to get multiple jobs not just one job for us to be relevant in the gambling industry. We can gamble today and make loses and we can also gamble and make profits, loses and profits are opposite and one may approach us today and the other approach us tomorrow. We need to get prepared of the outcome between the two.

That's right, we have to have a real job on land, because that's what will really make us money every month and can meet our daily needs, and if you want to gamble, just think of it as luck if we win it will increase our income. but remain aware that the results of gambling will sometimes be detrimental to us and we should not expect too much and just play sensibly. And I agree with you that we have to be prepared for the results we will get in gambling, whether we lose or win it will definitely happen, if we can accept it then we won't be too stressed to think about it.

Exactly my friend, it's true and what you said is a good statement for a more advisable approach to gambling, it's better to look for sure things like what you mentioned the main job that can guarantee to earn and not expect anything at all on gambling, it's a very good mindset but unfortunately there are still quite a lot of people who are lost in an unreasonable mindset where they always believe and put high hopes on gambling, which in the end instead of earning income but the opposite happens, they lose a lot of money instead.

Gambling is nothing more than a game of probability which means there is absolutely no certainty involved there and you will really know whether you will win or lose when the session you are doing is over, if you win it means you are lucky and if you lose it means that is the risk that must be accepted. But there are still many irresponsible gamblers who certainly cannot accept the results of their defeat even though on the other hand everything is clear that if there is a chance to win it means there is a risk of losing too, but strangely they are very selfish by only wanting to win but not willing to lose, if you have that kind of mindset then I hope you will quickly realize and change your mindset, after all this is gambling which means there is no certainty.
1693  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you have a "gambling problem" which you can sometimes control for years? on: December 18, 2023, 12:06:11 PM
A long time ago, I tried gambling, but after losing several times and losing a significant amount of money, I gave up. I see my friends now betting on football matches, but I don't know much about football, and even with full consciousness, I won't take any risks. Whenever I'm tempted to get involved in something like this, I think about the kids I could just give a couple of toys to instead of throwing money away. And you will be surprised; it works. Give others a little joy; dopamine will be your constant friend.

Although the word surrender is synonymous with a weak soul but if you do it on gambling I think it's a very good decision, there are no regulations that regulate and require anyone to engage in gambling and the activity is only for those who want to fill their leisure time when bored, so if you really feel that the activity causes a lot of problems especially on your finances then obviously quitting is better if you can, but no problem even if it's difficult they can also do it slowly.

I think you have a good mindset by always thinking of your children when the temptation of gambling enters your mind, but your children seem to have become a strong defense for you to remain firm and not easily seduced by anything, especially getting involved in risk taking. Allocating money for other needs whether it is for children's snacks or kitchen needs is better than you put it on something that has no certainty for reciprocity, so it doesn't matter because everyone has the right and freedom of choice.
1694  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 18, 2023, 08:47:02 AM
Last season not really excited drawing champion league match with many strong team like Manchester City, Bayern Munich and Real Madrid have to face each other before final stage. I hope few hours later with drawing get balance between strong teams not have to face early on quarter final and excited will be in semifinal or final round. I agree with your opinion, if strong teams have to face on quarter final phase will make boring final stage because not strong teams will play in the final.
I hope between Real Madrid and Manchester City will not face until semifinal phase and both teams get draw will play until final stage if can win from knock out round until semifinal phase.
I think everyone also hopes for something like that. We hope that the strong teams will not meet early because the atmosphere will be less exciting. If you look at the runners up this season, PSG, Inter and PSV are among the strong teams that will definitely meet a strong team from the group winners. I don't know if the rules have changed, but as far as I know, each pool is filled with the champion from each group and the other pool is filled with the runner up from each group.
It would be a bit disappointing if the leading clubs had to face each other before the final or at least the semifinals, and it happened last season. In the travel table Manchester City are bigger than Inter Milan who are their opponents in the final. If I'm not mistaken, the Serie A clubs had to beat each other and in the end it was Inter Milan who made it to the final, and to be honest last season I didn't expect Inter Milan to be in the final, because last season they weren't good enough and they were inconsistent. Although they did put up a good fight in the final, it wasn't a great climax for me.
1695  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 18, 2023, 08:28:04 AM
I think Man United will lose. But this draw was beyond my expectation, Onana and their defense were quite strong. Liverpool were very dominating, they attempted kicks 34 times and 8 led to goal. Man United play more neatly, they are reactive by making a lot of people in their own area. They seem to rely on counterattacks. This proved they only had 1 kick on goal.
Ambarat also performed well, he worked hard as a defensive midfielder. Onana is also very good 8 saves. In this match Man United did not look panicked in possession of the ball. Plus Liverpool's finishing was poor today.


Either it's bad luck for me or something else, because when I bet on Manchester United they are a bad club and it's easy to lose goals, but when I bet on the opponents they are going to face, like Liverpool for example, they can withstand at least every attack that comes at them, and you know what happened to my bet in this match.
It's quite strange to see them play every week, sometimes they're bad, very bad, good and very good. I see decent odds for me to bet on Liverpool and I'm very confident in what I'm doing. In the first half there were no goals scored, but I saw a very good dominance from Liverpool. In the second half I thought at least Liverpool had a chance to score one goal. But until 90 and into stoppage time the goal I was waiting for didn't come. I'm disappointed not because I lost the gamble, but because I can't get over the unpredictability of Manchester United's play.
1696  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 18, 2023, 08:09:50 AM
Barcelona will take a very long time to recover their financial condition, unless they get a large injection of funds, such as a sultan who wants to buy Barcelona. But if they have to rely on something small from their current income, of course it will take a very long time to be able to really recover their finances.
Yes, that was their mistake in the past, but I hope they don't dwell too much on it, because it's already happened and there's no turning back.

Joan Laporta said before he was elected president that he would improve the club's economy, but he failed to do so. Moreover, Messi was at Barcelona at the time and his salary was a matter of debate. At the end of the last two years, Barcelona's debts have not changed. If an Arab sheik really buys this club, maybe their debts will end.
Anyone can say that if they're elected to the top job then they'll do things that will make the club's situation better, it sounds like the kind of sweet promises that people always make when campaigning. Because we now see what the reality is, they are still struggling with debt which in turn makes it difficult for them to be able to stabilize the club.
Whether we like it or not, money is one of the factors that will sustain the club, which is why business and football cannot be separated from each other, because the two things will be related to each other.


Messi was willing to take a pay cut and has said so on a number of occasions if memory serves me correctly. Moreover, he didn't want to move to Barcelona and moved to America so that Barcelona wouldn't sack anyone and cut players' wages to sign him. If the Arabs buy the club, the debts will of course gradually disappear
That is the impact that will occur when a club is too favoring its players. Indeed, I will not deny that Messi made a huge contribution to Barcelona during his time in the Blaugrana uniform, but they also have to consider their situation in the future. I don't blame Messi, because it was the club who made the decision, but the decisions they made in fact became a problem later on. And not only that, in the end they also had to lose Messi because they needed money and from selling Messi we know they got a lot of money.
Some time ago there were also rumors that they wanted to buy Messi again, but that didn't make sense with their financial situation like that.
1697  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 18, 2023, 07:53:31 AM
It's indeed an exciting and competitive scenario in the Italian League, with Inter Milan demonstrating their determination to reclaim the top spot. Every match counts for Inter, and their consistent point collection is a positive sign. The upcoming clash with Juventus in February could be a decisive moment that may shape the title race.
This week is an advantage for Inter Milan because at the same time their competitors cannot win in week 16 matches, yes Juventus can only draw when they travel to Genoa headquarters. Inter Milan did not miss the opportunity to be able to widen their points gap by winning this week. With the results of this week's matches, the difference in points between Inter Milan and Juventus is now 4 points. Inter Milan actually got a tight resistance from Lazio, because Lazio itself could almost keep up with the game from Inter Milan, but it seemed that luck was not in favor of Lazio because Inter Milan was more effective in attacking so that it could produce 2 goals to ensure 3 points were brought home by Inter Milan.
1698  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 18, 2023, 07:38:42 AM
Girona Vs Alaves
Girona are certainly showing their strength with great performances in La Liga this season. Their latest win against Barcelona is a testament to their quality. Looks like they will continue their great run. Although Girona have played one less match and have a one-point gap with Real Madrid, Girona can go to the top of the points table in today's match. Alaves, on the other hand, haven't had the best start to their season, but have shown signs of improvement in recent weeks. But facing Girona will be a tough challenge for them. Girona are clear favorites for me in today's matchup. I think Girona can beat Alaves  win 3-1.
Girona have a good chance of extending their winning record in this match, Alaves are not a big or strong club although we can't underestimate them. But still with what Girona are showing at the moment, it gives an idea of how the match will go later. On the other hand Alaves must realize that the opponent they will face this time is a strong club that is fighting for their position in the tight competition in the top flight.
I also predict that Girona will most likely be able to win this match. Yes they have the ability to do so, especially since they will play the match at their own headquarters. Now they also have a task that will spur them on after Real Madrid who played earlier this week can win their match, Girona must win if they want to return to the top of the table.
1699  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be play with care on: December 18, 2023, 01:25:49 AM

I think the difficulty of making money is one of the reasons why we have to be careful in gambling, and the real concept in gambling is that casinos will drain  the money we have if we take a careless approach, which is why more of them suffer losses in The appeal of making money, none other than I think one reasonable reason is because the difficulty of making money makes them think that gambling can give them a  win or simply that this is a good place to make money, even though the reality is far from what they imagine.

Therefore, we must have a proper understanding of gambling so that we do not suffer the same fate as those who are misguided and end up getting lost in the cycle of losing to winning. That's true, sometimes even if you come with the intention of just looking for fun, it cannot be denied that defeat will definitely happen, so as much as possible we must be able to minimize everything, limit hopes and expectations, set a small budget and limit the time involved. I think those who spend a lot of money don't mean they don't care about the amount they lose but it seems like they consider it like a sacrifice for a bigger win.


There is a deeper issue. Gambling is a desperate attempt to escape financial misery for some. This misconception that gaming may solve financial problems must be addressed. Society must prevent people from believing they've won a life-changing prize when seeking entertainment. A healthier, more informed approach to gaming requires education and responsible gambling.

It is interesting and a real fact that most people, especially those who have medium or even below average finances, usually always feel the problem of pressure due to lack of strength in terms of money, so it is not strange if in such situations it comes out mindsets and ideas that do not make sense, justify all means, act out of control to get money, as you said and this is  one of the actions that can be said to be very careless in the context of running away from misery. The triumphs that some people see seem so tantalizing, like they've found an effective way to improve their financial situation and they assume that "I should try it".

Misunderstanding and lack of insight are the main causes of such people going astray, not only in gambling but also in some other things that also seem to look easy to produce but have no certainty and there is only a high level of risk. I think the emphasis on awareness should be emphasized more by the community, because obviously with qualified awareness I think it is less likely for them to act carelessly in choosing something, it will be able to encourage them to realize that it is  something that does not make sense if victory is easily achieved, meaning that there is something behind it, which is an even greater risk. It can be used as an indication and suspicion if they are able to think realistically and rationally.
1700  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 18, 2023, 01:03:08 AM

That is a situation where their mental and psychological will be played, isn't winning something that gamblers always want? of course, but do you know what impact there will be on your mindset after you experience such a situation? I think healthy people and always think realistically and address gambling will not go wrong even if they get an extraordinary sensation from the situation of winning with large amounts, but unfortunately most gamblers experience a change in mindset and point of view when they have experienced such situations and conditions.

Usually they will assume that "this seems like a good place to earn" and after that winning is not the end of the world, because of the change in mindset and increased hopes and higher expectations they will usually apply greed by hoping to get a much larger amount because they feel that luck is still there even though it is completely unknown. In my opinion, such gamblers will never stop especially after winning, usually they will stop after running out of ways and money, simply put, losing is curious and winning is addictive, that's what they are.
Your gambler psychology observation is right. Gambling is about the joy of beating the odds, not just winning money. While thrilling, this feeling might distort reality. Casino winners can fall into a cognitive trap, thinking they've found a profitable path. Dangerous perception skews reasonable judgment.

Second, post-victory mindset change is crucial. The move from gambling as entertainment to income is risky. Why? This shift encourages greed and distorts risk assessment. Gamblers want bigger rewards, ignoring rising hazards.

Winning is obviously addictive. The "curious losing" and "addictive winning" cycle is dangerous. Problem gambling is fueled by an inability to quit and a constant search of the next 'high'. This involves both individual willpower and a society adjustment in gambling perception and regulation.

Yes, it should be excitement that defeats the odds and not excitement that is defeated by the odds, because if that happens or if you have a mindset like that then obviously all you think about is how to make the odds into a reality that you always wanted, but isn't gambling just a place for fun? Of course, and for those who take the odds too seriously then usually  only suffer a lot of defeat, we must understand that it is nothing more than a "chance" which means it is still uncertain and there is no guarantee at all to materialize especially according to what you expect.

With the success of winning, it is clear that not a few gamblers think as you say that they think and assume that they have found the right way to conquer gambling by bringing home the winnings, without realizing that there are other things, especially the greater impact that they will suffer in the long run. Basically any situation that occurs in gambling will be very likely to change a person's mindset and beliefs, and what is more likely is to turn fun gambling into an activity to earn, which will they choose between real fun without significant risk or make a place to earn with a much higher level of risk? usually more people choose point  number two in this case, and that is the reason why many suffer large losses. There are many dangers waiting for us and that's why it's always important to be firmly in control and not overdo it.
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