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1821  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 10, 2016, 05:12:04 AM
You are so full of shit, you have only spent time telling us why its not fair. You run a dice site, you did not come up with anything!!! you got your provably fair with copy and paste, just like the dice site idea is copy and paste. Your a joke.

How many hours have you spent on this thread and looking at our code? 10? 20? more?

The fact is you are only here to bash us, if you are soooooo great at all this how about you spent 10-20 hours researching a way to make the site provably fair?

The fact is you wont. Because your a competitor. Because you are not skilled enough to come up with anything besides copy and paste.

Oh and your claim to us not being provably fair has not been proven. (But im sure you have an excuse to why you cant prove it)

Are you mad? You seem mad. Your whole post was an insane rant full of factual errors and emotional outbursts.

Serious question. Are you on your period?

(Also, maybe you could try addressing some of my points - like the example I posted where you used a txid that never even appeared on the site you tell us to use to verify our plays until 10 minutes after the game was over)
1822  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: January 10, 2016, 05:08:33 AM
So I have my wallet built on Linux, and getinfo retrieves current info but I sent some clam to the address a few days ago and it's still at 0.00 balance. what could be wrong, what are my next steps?

Do you have the transaction ID?

Does the transaction show up on the block explorers? Check on khashier.com for instance.
1823  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: January 10, 2016, 12:58:47 AM
Uhhh ladies look at that 200 BTC buy wall  Shocked Shocked Shocked Sure thing BUY BUY BUY you'll be rich Clams to da moon babe!!?¿? Kiss Kiss



So that buy wall is yours? Prove it. Let's see a screen shot of your buy orders from poloniex.

It's not hard to fake a screenshot:

1824  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: January 09, 2016, 11:01:51 PM
I believe this is pretty normal, its just the hand history - not something most watch very closely.  Many sites don't even have cards, just text. (Ac Kh Qs)

5 comments:

1) Letters would be fine. It's easy to tell the difference between h and d. It's harder for me to tell the difference between one red blob and another.

2) The "muck" and "show" buttons don't appear sometimes. I think it's if I win without betting, like if my BB gets a walk.

3) The 'raise' UI is weird. If I'm SB for 50, and I put 300 in the raise box, it raises *to* 300, but if I'm BB for 100 and I put 300 in the raise box, it raised *by* 300 to 400. This should be consistent.

4) I just had a crash, too. Trying to play 6 games at once. The 6th window had just appeared, it appeared full-screen on top of all the other games (couldn't it appear smaller, and not right in the top left corner where the windows-icon button is?), so I had to move it to find a windows-logo to click to tile it, and when I did, all the windows went white, like this:



(I think there's a way of hiding the URL on pop-up windows too, but I'm not sure about that. It would save a little screen realestate).

5) I like to 'pot bet'. Sometimes the 'pot' button is one space further left than other times. I'd prefer if it was always the last-but-one button, just before 'all in'. I think the '3xBB' button sometimes comes between 'pot' and 'all-in'.
1825  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: January 09, 2016, 09:04:28 PM
Here's a little bug I found:

I have 4-color-deck enabled to make it easier to tell the suits apart, but the dealer chat still only uses 2 colors:



The cards are small there, so 4-color is more important there imho.
1826  Economy / Gambling / Re: [ANN] BIT-POT.com - NEW BITCOIN LOTTERY on: January 09, 2016, 08:18:24 PM
No, I can't read the text and understand your concerns. Web should not appear like on your screen ... this background should be only in 'pot games section' where is overlapped with another element to make the text readable.
Could you please post/PM me details of device you use (screen res. browser ..)?   

My screen is 1366x768. I use Chromium. Version 46.0.2490.71. Here's a screenshot of the page showing the 'pot games', the darker element you're talking about, and unreadable text above it, all when the browser is maximised:



Can you show me how it looks for you in Chrome/Chromium, on the same part of the page?
1827  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: January 09, 2016, 07:46:05 PM
We've adjusted the Freeroll schedules:

What's your policy about two people in the same house playing?

We'd have the same IP address.

Our system auto-blocks accounts with the same IP accessing the poker suite, since there's no way to ever verify that you were playing honestly. Even though I personally trust you and lots of people on the forum trust you, it would not be fair to our other players to allow that type of thing unless we did it across the board.

Sorry!

But how about playing other games, particularly the dice games aside from the poker ones. I have 3-5 mates here in our flat sharing the same IP addresses when accessing your site. Would that be blocked by your site or not?

You'd be blocked from poker, unfortunately, but not our other games. Since we can't be in your flat with you making sure you're not sharing info for your hands, we have to block people on the same IP

But if each of the 5 people was using their own phone's data connection to get online it would be OK?

I think you should detect collusion based on in-game actions not on which IP address they are using, because it is so easy to change your IP address.

IP address is a very poor indicator of collusion; same IP address doesn't imply collusion, and different IP address doesn't imply lack of collusion.
1828  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 09, 2016, 07:03:48 PM
I will answer for the OP Smiley

Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.

You're right. I edited my post.
1829  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: January 09, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
right, but... which ones stake as easily as clams?

Your question does not really make any sense, any coin that has POS will stake as "easily" as Clams do.

Right, it isn't clear what he means by "easy".

Maybe he's saying:

1) CLAM is easy to stake because it has the highest inflation rate of any PoS coin.

 * If so, that seems very unlikely. CLAM's stake rate isn't especially high. I'm sure you can find higher.

2) It is easy to stake CLAM because you just put some coins in your wallet and they stake automatically.

 * But that's the same for (almost?) all PoS coins. Nothing different about CLAM in that respect.

3) It is easy to stake CLAM because you don't have to download and sync the client; all you need to do is invest your coins at Just-Dice and they will stake for you, and you will get paid every 3 minutes instead of having to wait for days.

 * I guess, but then you're not really staking them, you're having someone else stake them for you. The reward paid every 3 minutes is the effect of everyone's CLAMs working in a giant staking pool.
1830  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: January 09, 2016, 06:54:20 PM
JD in its history wagered probably over 100s of millions of $.

JD once saw over $100M worth of BTC wagered in a single day.
1831  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" on: January 09, 2016, 06:52:42 PM
Im sorry, but how is CLAM even worth anything? How can it be the same pricw as coins such as Factom and ETH? I really dont understand..

It makes very little sense to compare the per-unit price of a coin without considering the number of coins in existence.

People tend to multiply the per-unit price by the number in existence to get numbers they can compare.

Take a look at http://coinmarketcap.com/ for instance. They rank coins like that. BTC is #1, ETH #4, FCT #12, and CLAM #26.

New altcoins regularly appear and get pumped for a while then fade back into obscurity. Factom seems popular at the moment, but check back in a few months.
1832  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 09, 2016, 06:43:35 PM
I came up with an explanation for why I was seeing the weird results I was seeing yesterday: the site doesn't use blockchain.info at all to get its feed of new transactions on the network. Instead their run their own node, and watch have that report the most recently seen transaction when they need it.

They were only telling us "you can verify by watching blockchain.info" because that is *a* way of watching the transactions, not *the* way that the site uses. They were assuming that everyone seems the same transactions in the same order with the same timing, which obviously isn't the case. And so their system is further from provably fair than I previously thought to be the case. The site can simply pretend not to have seen a transaction which gives a result they don't like, and we can't prove otherwise.

He can't even do maths correctly.
I won't be surprised if he answer to you 'stop trolling' instead of a good relevant answer.

I mean, when there's 3 players in, their luck are 33.33% (which gives a total of 99.99% and cannot be 100%..) But, it's shown as 100% and they give a BONUS amount of tickets to the third player... (cheat & unfair?)

Well, to be fair there is no way of dividing an power of 10 by 3 equally.

Their client-side code which calculates the ranges has a special case saying that if any range ends with 9999 then set it to be 10000:

Code:
        self.Participants.forEach(function (par) {
            par.playerNumber = playerNumber + 1;
            playerNumber += Math.round(par.percentage * 100);
            playerNumber = playerNumber >= 9999 ?10000: playerNumber;
            par.playerNumber += ' - ' + playerNumber;
        });

You can always be the last player by being the last user to buy the smallest number of tickets.

Has anyone brought up the fact that it's obviously bots playing on his site 24/7, although they seem to be denying it?

I wasn't mentioning it because although it does seem likely there's no way of proving it.

Either way it seems that OP has abandoned this thread, and possibly the site too. The promised giveaway in the site's chatbox seems not to have happened, and the guy complaining in this thread about a withdrawal not happening went unanswered.

Least successful scam ever?

Edit: sorry, that was rude. I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught.
1833  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: January 09, 2016, 03:06:04 AM
We're on a break in the daily freeroll, but the "Next level: mm:ss" timer is still counting down. It should be paused during breaks.
1834  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetCoin.TM Bitcoin Casino | Poker | Slots | Sports | Live Dealers | And More! on: January 09, 2016, 12:17:43 AM
We've adjusted the Freeroll schedules:

What's your policy about two people in the same house playing?

We'd have the same IP address.
1835  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 08, 2016, 09:38:31 PM
This one is even worse:

Code:
{ amount: 0.0008,
  lobbyid: 0,
  percentage: 8889,
  participant:
   { _id: '528ad796-0744-48e1-bc1d-800d28603c0e',
     avatar: 'avatar_528ad796-0744-48e1-bc1d-800d28603c0e.gif',
     userName: 'Katiness' },
  betTime: '2016-01-08T21:20:27.306Z',
  luckyNumber: 2707,
  hash: '7815d906e350297a03f64a0df531c7822d98fb6d5d0b3062c328254d6378f9d6',
  totalAmount: 0.0009000000000000001,
  clientSeed: 'Katimonk-90000',
  profitAmount: 0.0008990000000000001 }

Check out txid 7815d906e350297a03f64a0df531c7822d98fb6d5d0b3062c328254d6378f9d6:



You used a transaction to decide the winner of a game at 21:20 but the transaction wasn't seen by blockchain.info until it got into a block at 21:31...

Can you explain this?
1836  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 08, 2016, 09:27:28 PM
Where do you get the txids from that you flash up one per second during the 10 second countdown?

I just saw one flash up that didn't appear on blockchain.info until over a minute after the game was over.

The first 3 txids you flashed up, with their blockchain.info timestamps were:

  21:13:46: 7759136e7df90ee330ab76831297726e2744870d307012dcaf4ab283d96c8f76
  21:15:04: 380d0e1201b9b8c824ee76d5587dbadccb11df542554b86030693af82cdb9acc
  21:13:48: ca59f4f2db0da8a83c903a4512c8df292ed05b6861e8cd958097da86fe995c9d


Where did that 2nd one come from? blockchain.info had not seen it at the time.

At the end of the game you sent me:

Code:
{ amount: 0.0001,
  lobbyid: 0,
  percentage: 5000,
  participant:
   { _id: '9b047b92-f473-414b-9449-e99c9da19448',
     avatar: '',
     userName: 'foodporn' },
  betTime: '2016-01-08T21:13:57.847Z',
  luckyNumber: 2022,
  hash: 'ca06036ab0af1eeaaf77b5b875f3c1ea76bba546394337033a89e2f76a599caf',
  totalAmount: 0.0002,
  clientSeed: 'foodasht-20000',
  profitAmount: 0.000199 }

1837  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 08, 2016, 06:14:15 PM
I looked online after a long break from crypto. I see a great opportunity on doge buy one exchange, move to cryptsy and sell for more.

The only reason that "great opportunity" exists is because people can't withdraw BTC from cryptsy.

Whenever you see such an apparent opportunity try to understand why it exists and whether it is real.
1838  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 08, 2016, 07:34:10 AM
You are incorrect the tickets are not "sequentially in the order' You could be the first player or the last player and get ticket number 1-1000 there is 100% no way for someone to pick there numbers its all 100% random.

I thought you might like to know that the ticket ordering isn't at all random.

Tickets are sorted into descending order of price, and then ascending order of last purchase time.

Here's the code that does it client-side, from raffle.js:

Code:
        self.Participants.sort(function (p1, p2) {
            if (Number(p1.amount).toFixed(8) == Number(p2.amount).toFixed(8))
                return p1.betTime > p2.betTime; //ascending
            return Number(p1.amount) < Number(p2.amount); //decending
        });
1839  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 08, 2016, 06:05:52 AM
Ok i have to point this out. I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites?

Yes Or No?

I don't know of a way to make "investing" in a dice site provably fair. It's a shame, but provable fairness is tricky, as you are discovering. I have never made a secret of the fact that investing in a dice site requires you to trust the site's operator.

I have proven its provably fair

You have proven nothing. You don't know what proof is. You make false statements and when challenged on them you ignore it or change the subject.

this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site

There is nothing on my site that is copy and pasted. A few sites copied my site which is maybe why you are confused, but I didn't copy anything. I created it from scratch.

who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.

Everyone with a basic understand of the concepts agrees with me. It's you who is the out on a limb here.

Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.

I've no idea where you got that from. I've never bought or sold an account of any kind that I can think of. You have an uncanny knack of getting things wrong, don't you!

Care to show that post?

He's referring to this:

Just-Dice is provably fair for players and always has been. There is no way I can cheat the players without them being able to detect it.

It might surprise you to hear that it *isn't* provably fair for investors. I can cheat the investors (by playing against them using the server seed) and they can't prove anything.

As far as scamming goes, he held 50k BTC in the past and paid out with no issues. He even switched to Clams( a worthless altcoin at that time)as he felt he couldn't handle risking such a huge amount, invested by others.

Wow! Someone in this thread knows some history! Smiley

So can we get back on topic?

How can I verify the txid you use is really the last one you saw?

For example, here:

Quote
Butterfly
Fri Jan 08 2016 05:13:31 GMT-0800 has won with 0.00090000 btc, had a winning chance of 90% and made 0.00009900 btc of profit.
LUCKY NUMBER: 1893
HASH: 9a559dbbeb7e819d7aaabf7bc2c1069ae0bd43586d8a16b6110bf0357ea924b0 -- Received Time 2016-01-08 05:13:29
Client Seed: Buttthek-100000

Is there any way I can check that there was no transaction listed on blockchain.info between 05:13:29 when that one showed up and 05:13:31 when the game ended?
1840  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★ BTC-RAFFLE.COM ★▐ Provably Fair ▐ Referral System ▐ Player VS Player ▐ on: January 08, 2016, 05:20:26 AM
you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.

Can you show an example please?

I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.

Clearly you have no idea how our site works.

You tell me I can verify the rolls.

I ask how.

You tell me I don't know how it works.

So tell me! I claim it isn't possible to verify that you picked that txid fairly, but you claim it is - so how?

Re. my original idea, I invented the idea of the crowd-funded bankroll which most dice sites then copied, so yes, it was very original. But that's offtopic here and only serves to further indicate that you don't know your stuff.
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