Wait... did you just say, "You're right, hell is a totally made up place, and it was bad of those people to mess up the translation and make up such a place, but we should still worry about going to hell?" How does that even... 

But the idea that the universe is just composed of our imagination, and that if we can imagine it, it is real, is not based on any science or logic. The sheep herders were not a prerequisite to creation, they were a prerequisite to making up the mythology fairy tale about a being we call god. And I think what I just demonstrated is that yes, if you spin fantasies to fit your own beliefs and imaginations, you can make your own fantasies and imaginations be whatever the hell you want them to be. That's not a very big discovery. It also has no bearing on science or the real world.


There was no "me" a year before I was born, and thus no "me" for anyone to be relevant to. I wasn't even half a DNA in my dad's sperm at that time. Hell, I wasn't even part of any cell that was in my dad's body at the time, since most of our body's cells get replaced every 3 to 6 months. At most I was some dirt, ready to feed some plant, that was eventually going to feed some cow or chicken. Obviously not sentient, and especially not me.


Doesn't it take for some conscious brain to form an idea? Who was having me as an idea in their head that far back? I know it wasn't my parents. And even if it was, were they arare of the piece of dirt that was to become a plant that was to become food that was to become my dad that was become sperm that would eventually make me? I highly doubt it.

Wait, does this mean that when most observers believed the earth was flat, we were on a disk, and it was turtles all the way down?

Well, for one, there is actually not enough food to go around and feed everyone completely and with healthy foods. Don't forget, food doesn't grow everywhere, and thus must be transported to more arid places of the world, and transportion is very resource intensive and limited. And two, even if there was plentiful food and resources, that would only last until the population increased beyond the capacity of this system to support it. And no one will be bothering to figure out how to fix that problem until it's too late, because everyone will be well fed, and not even be aware of the looming problem.

Also, seriously? Being able to eat is the big high ideal you are striving for? That's rather low on our economic necesity at this point. We're all about high tech gadgets, curing deseases, making economy and law more efficient, and radically extending our lifespans now. A "utopia" where everyone can get food, shelter, and some tech stuff that someone else determines is enough to take care of your need sounds about as good as North Korea right now (even though it's the Best Korea).

I am very doubtfull that we would be able to afford even one big musical act for just the $1mil that this party will supposedly raise. The cost of the venue and everything else will likely be enormous.

That said, I would love to see Studio Killers, though they're not really a "live performing" band 

To be fair, the black plague severely reduced the power of the church, and greatly reduced the labor pool, causing everyone's wages to rise sharply, and through that combination helped usher in the Renaissance. So......

I have a better idea. Let's define god as the creation of some stoned sheep herders from millena ago, and let's assume your imagination is biased by your life experiences, where everything you imagine is an amalgamation of things you have seen, heard, or read about. Then, no matter what Universe you create in your imagination, which also has you in it, is just a collection of the things you have experienced before, rearranged in some way that you are biased toward, or that you prefer.

Yes I agree that this universe has me in it. I was born from my parents.

You are using a false comparison, because we are not omniscient. The correct comparison would be thus:

Let's say you had a magic ring and that when you put that ring on a girls finger she fell deeply in love with you and thought you were the most amazing man in the world and worshiped the ground you walked on. Lets also say that you knew exactly whether a girl trully loved you or not, and whether she would love you in the future.  Let's say you fell deeply in love with her and, being an omniscient, all powerful god, you also knew if she really loved you back or not regardless of whether or not she was wearing the ring that made her love you. Wouldn't you want to take off the ring and let her love you, or not love you, as you already know she trully does?  Wouldn't you want her to be forced to love you if you knew that she doesn't actually love you, and that her not loving you would result in you having to torture her for the rest of existence?

I don't know, if I was the girl in this situation, I would take the ring. Unless you believe that god is not all powerful (I seem to remember that when Adam realized what he did, he actually hid from god in the bushes)

Not at all. It just means that I, like everyone else on this planet, can imagine things as I believe they have happened, based on things I know from experience and evidence, but none of my imaginations have any effect on the physical world. Are you redifining the word "god" to mean "anyone who can imagine something?" Then sure, we're all gods, but that's not the god of any religion.

Aaaaaaalll of that still doesn't explain why you would want to interfere with god's plan should god want to take your children to heaven. Do you think your children will go to hell or somewhere else if you didn't give them vaccines, and they were to die before they had the chance to suffer through years of life on earth?

But so far, by your own admission, god has only done mirracles that can occur in nature. I.e. he only did things that can happen naturally, anyway. So how can we be sure that it was god who did those things, and that they didn't just happen naturally?

Can you explain this, using normal every-day words? Because this never made any sense, and thus never really did anything other than confuse people, and very likely make them ignore whatever you were saying out of fear of sounding stupid, or out of assumptions that you are as weird as dank with his random definitions.

What if I can?


But you can have yourself sporadically emerging as a product of physical laws, if you were not the one who designed those laws to begin with, and if those laws simply existed as a natural part of our universe.

Seriously, why not save yourself from all the waiting and suffering, and just stop eating and drinking, s you can ascend as soon as possible? It shouldn't take more than 3 days. Or you can use that same method to prove that you are god, by forcing yourself to continue to exist without food or water. It can't be much harder than making your car drive on empty by sheel will, and damage from lack of water isn't worse than damage from cancer that you cured. Just stop eating and drinking, and quantum cure yourself every few days, and the worst that will happen is you will ascent to the 5th dimension really quick.

Or do you not actually have any of these powers you claim you do?

Why would you do something so cruel as interfere with God's plan to possibly try to send your children to heaven sooner???

What if someone has lost a liver? That is kind of like a "limb." And without it, a person will die within a matter of days. How come there are no records of any humans ever regrowing or restoring any lost body parts, and why is that more "unnatural" than cancer cells and tumors just "disappearing."

Actually, no, I didn't think that would have been the answer. Though that is what I would expect.

I didn't say that Theymos didn't want more beer money 

To quote Theymos, the forum does not need any more money.

At this point, the value of what has been donated is likely to grow faster than the forum is able to spend it.

Sorry, no answers there. "Using the scientific method" is just as vague as "using the most profitable method" or "using the method that would take care of the most need." With just that statement by itself as the explanation, the article might as well have said "using the best method that will make everyone happy." Any other ism's can also then just say the same thing.

One other thing that has never been explained by anyone involved in this movement is how do they plan on eliminating scarcity on a planet that has scarce resources, and for people who have scarce time.