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1841  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home on: July 03, 2012, 01:30:37 PM
It's a shame really, that so many people are financially and economically illiterate to fall for scams like a ponzi scheme and it's especially a shame that with already much negative press that Bitcoin is getting from various fallacies being used as valid arguments in article to articles with reports on thefts and hacks, Bitcoin users and suporters neither appear to be able to escape being labeled idiots who fall for a ponzi when this all blows up and people lose a ton of money.

But I guess that's just the way it has to be; "A fool and his money is soon parted."

Yeah, the only reason we'd ever do something that you wouldn't is that we're financially illiterate.

Not all, just those who unknowingly "invest" in a ponzi scheme.
1842  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home on: July 03, 2012, 01:14:36 PM
Let's keep it simple for starters. We could really use a hint as to why returns are so strongly dependent on the size of individual deposits, if not for the reason documented in the Currin Trading Ponzi (http://web.archive.org/web/20091026234156/http://geocities.com/currintrading/ On a side note, the text also documented neatly why an operator rarely replies to garbage like this).

An interesting read at least... Here's the link to the second page if anyone is interested.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090807121852/http://geocities.com/currintrading/bank.html

@Vandroiy
I think everyone is trying to say: WE ARE AWARE OF THE RISKS! I for one am small time when it comes to my bankroll, and I enjoy the excitement of weekly interest payments and the allure of "doubling up" with the PPT's. If for some reason I loose, God knows it won't be because I wasn't warned. Let us have our fun in peace.

Thank you.

So what valid reason do you have to be angry? I haven't bothered following your rants: are you invested with Pirate?

[...]

Valid reason to be angry? How about "damaging the public image and stability of Bitcoin at a time that is absolutely irreplaceable for reaching critical mass, which could change global economics forever," is that a valid reason for you?

[...]

don't bother vandroiy. most people only learn the hard way. this might even go on for a long time with more and more people joining the bubble. finally a big wave of crying will run through the forums but that will be it. pirate might dump the coins but the screwed investors will also buy back in so the overall impact on price will be small and of short time.

and the parrot will laugh: "arr, arr, arr"  www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzPABxg3sS4 Cheesy

It's a shame really, that so many people are financially and economically illiterate to fall for scams like a ponzi scheme and it's especially a shame that with already much negative press that Bitcoin is getting from various fallacies being used as valid arguments in article to articles with reports on thefts and hacks, Bitcoin users and suporters neither appear to be able to escape being labeled idiots who fall for a ponzi when this all blows up and people lose a ton of money.

But I guess that's just the way it has to be; "A fool and his money is soon parted."
1843  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home on: July 03, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
Let's keep it simple for starters. We could really use a hint as to why returns are so strongly dependent on the size of individual deposits, if not for the reason documented in the Currin Trading Ponzi (http://web.archive.org/web/20091026234156/http://geocities.com/currintrading/ On a side note, the text also documented neatly why an operator rarely replies to garbage like this).

An interesting read at least... Here's the link to the second page if anyone is interested.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090807121852/http://geocities.com/currintrading/bank.html

@Vandroiy
I think everyone is trying to say: WE ARE AWARE OF THE RISKS! I for one am small time when it comes to my bankroll, and I enjoy the excitement of weekly interest payments and the allure of "doubling up" with the PPT's. If for some reason I loose, God knows it won't be because I wasn't warned. Let us have our fun in peace.

Thank you.

Thanks for the 2nd link! I was so disappointed earlier.

Yeah me too, the writing by that guy is very engaging, I couldn't stop reading so thank you from me too!
1844  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Kronos Development Update on: July 03, 2012, 12:37:23 PM
It's a month later, do you guys have any news?
1845  Economy / Economics / Re: First-Hand telling of an online Ponzi: Eve Online's Currin Trading on: July 03, 2012, 12:17:39 PM
Theres not too many things that long that I can sit down and read all in one go, but that had me hooked.

Yeah the writing was indeed really good. I could read a whole book about it. There were numerous moments when I laughed out loud or made out loud comments to myself about how intelligent, sneaky, precise and thought out his strategies were.
1846  Economy / Economics / Re: First-Hand telling of an online Ponzi: Eve Online's Currin Trading on: July 03, 2012, 11:59:10 AM
And all this fraud just because people are financially and economically illiterate.  Undecided
1847  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Perfect government by protocol on: July 03, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
There is no such thing as voluntary taxes - it's an oxymoron. The appropriate name for what you call voluntary taxes is "a fee".
1848  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Look at a pirate, eye to eye if you dare. on: July 03, 2012, 01:06:01 AM
Bold move considering people will learn how you look and who you really are. It's almost as if this was a stunt to inspire confidence.
You don't know what he looks like already? You must not be important enough.

I just read the story linked in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91214.msg1004663#msg1004663 and I couldn't help myself but to write what I wrote.
1849  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Look at a pirate, eye to eye if you dare. on: July 03, 2012, 01:00:50 AM
Bold move considering people will learn how you look and who you really are. It's almost as if this was a stunt to inspire confidence.
1850  Economy / Economics / Re: First-Hand telling of an online Ponzi: Eve Online's Currin Trading on: July 03, 2012, 12:15:13 AM
What a magnificent read, thank you very much OP I really enjoyed it!
1851  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin for kids on: July 02, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
waiting until they are older may be a worse time for them to start using bitcoin because of the advanced socialization. Now, all they have to deal with is dad. This has been working out great with my kid since 2010 (they are 10 now). They've had Bitcoins on their phone since the andreas android client has been out. When they want to buy something at walmart, or wherever, they send me bitcoins and I pay with my fiat. they've learned how to check the exchange rate, do conversions, use different wallets as different accounts, and even keeping offline wallets for security and savings.

^this post made my day  Grin

Yup, made my day too! Grin
1852  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to destroy bitcoin? on: June 30, 2012, 09:36:47 PM
Bitcoiners are quite stupid economically ignorant for the most part.

I like economically illiterate better Tongue and this goes for most people alive, like 99% (% pun intended  Grin)
1853  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to destroy bitcoin? on: June 30, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
Wrong again, supply would increase since people wont want to get stuck with an illiquid currency that they can't use to pay their bills. You'd only be right if bitcoin acceptance grows to the point where using them you could do virtually all of your transactions in the marketplace you typically need to or want to do. But since the attack I outlined is legislation forbidding businesses from using it this is highly unlikely the scenario to actually play out.
1854  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to destroy bitcoin? on: June 30, 2012, 09:04:22 PM
That's very dishonest when you look at how many demand orders currently stand on all the exchange combined compared to all the other options for acquiring bitcoins. Removing all this demand would instantly crash the price but also remove some of it's usefulness gained through the current low barrier to entry.
1855  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to destroy bitcoin? on: June 30, 2012, 08:46:08 PM
I take "destroy" to mean a near-zero market-cap and no real use of Bitcoin. Legislation and other forms of suppression can't achieve that, though they would drive the price down.

1. The most likely way Bitcoin could be destroyed would be the release and adoption of a superior protocol that serves the same purposes as Bitcoin. I'd put the probability of this happening in the next five years at over 10%.

2. Some emergent behavior of mining incentives makes it easier for some entity to control the block chain. Maybe mining pools get huge. Maybe mining gets taken over by specialized hardware.

3. Some cryptographic flaw in the protocol is discovered. (Seems very unlikely at this point.)

History shows making things illegal makes their price go up, not down.

That's a bit of an ignorant observation to the demand side of the supply/demand equation that determines a price. It's a hell of a lot different to make something illegal that it being illegal likely isn't going to diminish it's demand than it is to make something illegal that it being illegal is very likely to severely diminish it's demand.
1856  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why not adjust the block reward on every retarget? on: June 30, 2012, 05:15:05 PM
Division by two is very simple and clear to code, that's something.

This, it's easy precise code..

I really don't think the halving block reward in December will be very disruptive. All parties know A) that it will happen and B) when it will happen. Markets are very good at pricing in information that's widely known. It might cause a little volatility in one way or another, but it will be temporary and highly manageable.

Precisely, because the information is completely public and available to everyone game theory suggest the market will price the reduction in before it will actually happen and the change wont be disruptive at all.
1857  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Transaction Qty Spike... on: June 30, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
http://bitcoinrebate.com/

Could probably cause a ton of transaction spam. Also see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83784.40

The blockchain better be able to handle immensely higher amounts of transactions than it does today.

IMO it is the most pressing issue Bitcoin faces from a technical perspective.
1858  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best way to destroy bitcoin? on: June 30, 2012, 12:29:50 PM
Easy, they can destroy bitcoin the same way they destroyed bit torrent... Oh wait... Yeah, better shut down the Internet then.

That's a false comparison if you are honest.

First bittorrent is by a huge amount more decentralized than Bitcoin, and the decentralization of Bitcoin is shrinking, not growing.

Second bittorrent does not depend on frictionless integration with the traditional banking system like most of exchanging of fiat currency for bitcoins does which is what gives them there current exchange price.

It's unfortunately fairly easy to at the least significantly diminish the value of bitcoins and the use of Bitcoin if not out right destroying it by simply legislating it away. You forbid banks to accept funds coming from businesses dealing with bitcoins and label those few left who'd still do the mining as terrorists and hunt them down.

Of course when I say fairly easy I'm talking about the effects of such legislation not the difficulty of passing it all over the world and have it stick.. but this is something we will find out because there's not a shred of doubt in my mind they'll try to legislate it whether as an outright attack or in an attempt to control it.
1859  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How has Bitcoin changed your life? on: June 30, 2012, 12:19:11 PM

Go read his recent posts. He is either insane or a troll...

Could be both..  Cheesy
1860  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Using bitcoin addresses for captcha..... on: June 30, 2012, 10:40:23 AM
1.Captcha shows a Bitcoin address + a random number of BTC to pay
2.User pays x.xxxxxxxx BTC
3.User gets 90-99% of his/her coins back after 14 days (unless he/she has been reported by the owner of the website)

This similar to what I figured would be a good idea, the only way to fight bots is with your own bots detecting malicious users. Make them pay a high price to solve the bitcoin captcha, use a bot to monitor if they are spamming, if they are, confiscate their money, if they are not, return it after a period of time.
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