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1881  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Satanist Running for Senate in California on: May 17, 2016, 04:22:21 AM
Satanist do not believe in Satan, they believe in Lucifer.

LUCIFER IS THE SAME PERSON AS SATAN!!
Oh, sort of like how Christians don't believe in Jesus, they believe in God, and Jesus is the same person as God? I never quite understood the Trinity doctrine. Any belief that holds that equivalence is intransitive is hard for a logical mind to grasp.

Google John Todd.
You mean this guy?



Okay.

They are praying to lucifer ( but you said that they don't believe in any gods )
http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs.php
Quote from: Church of Satan
We don’t [worship the Devil]. Satanists are atheists.
...
Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.
...
People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective.

You can easily become a satanist ( because as you said, satanists don't believe in satan=lucifer) uhh but they have "church"
http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-membership.php
Quote from: Church of Satan
Our organization does not have church buildings as that would be against our individualist approach to living.

Do you speak about nonsense? just take a look to your logic..
You seem to be. Look at your logic. You link to a website that contradicts everything you say about it.
1882  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Satanist Running for Senate in California on: May 14, 2016, 05:00:17 AM
In a similar fashion you have:
1) Catholic Christians
2) Protestant Christians
3) Mormon Christians
I don't think it's similar at all. The various Christian sects can at least agree on who Christ was and his basic teachings. Even the Muslims and Jews agree on that much.

You also have the no-true-scotsman fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Which doesn't apply when the definition of the term itself is what's in dispute. I define a Satanist as one who follows the principles laid out in the Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, that book being the first and so far only self-contained belief system to use the name Satanism. Like I said, if others want to produce their own original religious text of the same calibre and call it Satanism, then they might have an argument. But none do.

If they claim to be an updated form of LaVeyan Satanism,
...then they should present evidence of that claim. As far as I can tell, they "updated" LaVeyan Satanism by rejecting it entirely, which I don't think counts as an update.

I have not been to either of their temples, so I don't know how the two really compare
Neither has places of worship. One of them is an individualistic religion that rejects the notion of regular worship with a congregation, and instead advocates the practice of rituals in one's own home. The other is not a religion at all.

Or, are you saying its simply a fake/satirical/proxy religion, unlike LaVeyan Satanism?
Well, Wikipedia's certainly saying so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_parodies_and_satires

It also says they're are a "social movement, advocacy group, and protest group" (as opposed to the Church of Satan, which is a "new religious movement") that was first formed for the specific purpose of protesting the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Which would be fine if they hadn't taken the name of an existing religion which they have nothing to do with. It's like if atheists dressed up as Christian priests as part of some political protest, and people mistook them for an actual Christian denomination. No matter that what they're preaching is totally at odds with what's in the Bible; they have a "right" to call themselves Christians anyway. Then they act surprised when people get offended.
1883  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Satanist Running for Senate in California on: May 13, 2016, 06:42:17 PM
Did you notice their mission is, "to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people"?
Ostensibly.

Does that sound evil to you?
Yes. Not all people deserve benevolence and empathy, nor is it possible in practice to even be benevolent and empathic to all people. Anyone who tries will find their benevolence is too dilute to make a difference. Claiming to love everyone is just feel-good talk to make people feel better about themselves. I'm sure you've heard such empty talk before.

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The organization actively participates in public affairs that have manifested in several public political actions and efforts at lobbying, with a focus on the separation of church and state and using satire against Christian groups that it believes interfere with personal freedom

Such evil bastards!  Using satire as a weapon?!?  Who would fight for separation of church and state?  Only Satan!
Or a lobby group. Strip away the political activism and you'll find that the "Satanic" Temple has nothing else to it. They simply aren't a religion of any sort, and their members aren't Satanists.

You say, "They have absolutely nothing to do with LaVeyan Satanism"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple#Criticism_of_LaVeyan_Satanism
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Leader Lucien Greaves has described the Temple as being a progressive and updated version of LaVey's Satanism

Read a damn article man!  Educate yourself!
I can describe my arse as smelling like lavender but that doesn't make it so. Read the "Satanic" Temple's tenuous tenets and compare it to the Satanic Bible and tell me what, if anything, the two have in common. That's why the Wikipedia article starts with "Not to be confused with Church of Satan."
1884  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Different transactions in different blocks? on: May 13, 2016, 10:10:45 AM
Because each block refers to hash of the previous one (that's what makes it a blockchain), miners must download and (hopefully) verify the latest block before they can mine the next one. (There's been at least one case where a mining pool decided to skip the verification step (for speed) and lost a huge amount a money by unknowingly mining invalid blocks.)
1885  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Different transactions in different blocks? on: May 13, 2016, 09:43:25 AM
Multiple transactions with the same inputs is the very definition of double spending and is not allowed, regardless of all other factors. This includes multiple copies of the same transaction. This is also why identical transactions are only possible for coinbase transactions: they can't have the same inputs because they don't have inputs in the first place.
1886  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why am I an atheist on: May 13, 2016, 09:34:38 AM
Can't you see how beautiful His creation?

How can you see the beauty without seeing the ugly too?

Did your all-loving god create HIV, cancer, smallpox, floods, drought, malaria, flesh-eating bacteria, leukemia, and poisonous snakes (to name a few)?

A reasonably powerful enemy did this.
Wrong.
Quote from: Isaiah 45:7 NRSV
I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe; I the LORD do all these things.
1887  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Satanist Running for Senate in California on: May 13, 2016, 09:21:46 AM
they hate things which they have not even bothered to research for even 2 seconds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

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The religion is atheistic and materialist, rejecting the existence of supernatural beings, body-soul dualism, and life after death. Practitioners do not believe that the character of Satan literally exists and do not worship him
I hate the "Satanic" Temple, because I bothered to research for even 2 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple

They have absolutely nothing to do with LaVeyan Satanism except to insult it, they don't even have much of a philosophy or beliefs of their own, and the beliefs they do have are in many ways diametrically opposed to Satanism (eg, egalitarianism instead of meritocracy). They're just using the name Satan to promote their political agenda (and have been known to involve children in their political protests - can you imagine anything less Satanic than that?), and I don't expect them to last any longer than the many other short-lived pseudo-Satanic groups that have appeared and disappeared over the years. I could take these groups more seriously if they actually produced an original and meaningful canon on the level of LaVey's Satanic Bible, but that would require effort and creativity, and the Dark Lord knows those attributes are in short supply among these pretenders to the throne.

EDIT: Typo.
1888  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Different transactions in different blocks? on: May 13, 2016, 08:38:41 AM
It's not clear what you're asking, but if you're if you're asking if it's possible for the same transaction to be in two or more blocks, this is not possible for normal transactions, since the same bitcoins cannot be spent twice (blocks which include transactions doing so are invalid and will be rejected by all nodes).

This does not apply to coinbase transactions (which generate new bitcoins instead of spending existing ones) - different blocks can have (and, indeed, have had) identical coinbase transactions, which is a problem since only one of them can ever be spent, for the above reason. Miners lose money if they erroneously produce such transactions.
1889  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Theymos: “Bitcoins Belonging to Satoshi Should Be Destroyed” on: May 12, 2016, 07:42:32 AM
edit: "Theymos is this you?"
I'll thank you to read the entire thread before replying.

I never said any such thing. bitcoin.com again proves that it is absolutely worthless by completely fabricating that quote.
1890  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: change address is not associated with account - what a hell ? on: May 10, 2016, 04:47:12 AM
(problem with change, that goes to "noname" account).
It doesn't. Check the balance of your accounts, not your addresses. The change produced by a transaction from account A will be counted in account A, regardless of what addresses are involved.
1891  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: change address is not associated with account - what a hell ? on: May 09, 2016, 07:55:50 AM
Everything is clear, except one thing - this approach (accounts) is not useful.
It is useful if you are managing bitcoins belonging to multiple people, and need to keep track of who has how much (though an external database works just as well). It is not designed for any other purpose. What are you trying to use it for?
1892  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: change address is not associated with account - what a hell ? on: May 08, 2016, 12:47:11 AM
Not a bug. Account addresses are for receiving only. When sending, addresses are not associated with accounts at all, and this is by design. In your example above, if account B sends BTC0.1, it may, for reasons of transaction priority, or no reason at all, decide to take the coins from the address associated with account A. But account A still has BTC0.5 to spend, by using the coins from the address associated with account B plus its change. Anyone who doesn't understand how accounts work should not be using them.
1893  Other / Off-topic / Re: Facepalm - A new cocktail served up at your favorite watering hole. on: May 06, 2016, 04:52:35 AM
2 oz Gin
1 oz Bourbon
2 oz Sarsaparilla
1/3 oz Absinthe

Shake and serve on the rocks.

(About the odd measure of absinthe: I originally thought I should use 1/2 oz, but I decided I'd better actually make the drink instead of just imagining it while staring at the bottles in my liquor cabinet, and it turns out you always need less absinthe than you imagine, even when you know how potent the stuff is and already took that into consideration. This is why I can't be a mixologist.)
1894  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why so little talk of Dave Kleiman? on: May 05, 2016, 04:24:41 PM
If you believe that, you are dumber than I thought.
Yes, I do believe I explained it.
If you feed the script a plain ASCII text file, you'll just claim he might have used UTF16. Or a PDF file, which can altered in infinitely many ways without affecting the text content. Or a JPEG of a photograph of a printout of the document. Or something else entirely.
Perhaps you're illiterate?

Please don't waste my time with your inane inability to understand rudimentary concepts.
Rudimentary concepts such as the fact that the binary representation of the document in question hasn't even been identified? And that there are infinitely many possible representations? I agree, if you don't understand such concepts, there is no point in wasting time discussing anything with you.

I will proceed to explain once you confirm that do not understand why Merkle–Damgård construction is relevant? Either explain or admit you don't know. So I can proceed to teach you something. You are wasting my scarce time with your stalling/deception tactics and trolling.
No, you're the one wasting my time. I don't have to explain anything. You do. And you're not. I can only assume by your lack of explanation that you can't produce one.

Next time you will realize not to fuck with me, because I know a lot more than you assume.
I assume you know nothing, so knowing more than that isn't much of an accomplishment. But please go ahead and demonstrate your accomplishment. We're all waiting.
1895  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why so little talk of Dave Kleiman? on: May 05, 2016, 03:49:49 PM
You could at a minimum disprove that any contiguous portion of the document can't match the hash.
No, you couldn't, and I explained why.

'backsplaining.
I've never heard of that word in this context. What does it mean?

So tell me the reason? Obviously I didn't ask the question to only receive a "yes".
Actually, it's not obvious at all why you asked the question, hence my glib answer. Your nonsense isn't worth my time.

I want you to prove you understand how cryptographic hash functions are constructed and prove you have knowledge about how collision attacks are often constructed. Because these are things I had researched in the past.
Why should I? I'm not the one making outlandish claims about the subject. You are, and I doubt (based on the fact that your posts are nonsense) that you have actually researched it in any capacity.

That is the sort of reply which the linked article explains you would make. So you've confirmed it. Thanks.
You're welcome. Grin
1896  Economy / Speculation / Re: Epic crash. on: May 05, 2016, 03:29:10 PM
kwuckduck, you are nearly perfect contrarian indicator and thus I am surprised to see you popping up with the crash topic just now. There are no reasons for growth at the moment, so you must know something I don't see, what will make the price rise. Can you share that with us?
I'm not surprised. There's plenty of good news (notably Steam and CME) and I have a hunch that the current rally (temporarily stalled by the uncertainty surrounding the Craig Wright debacle) will only accelerate, probably past US$600 and maybe much higher. Kwukduck's post fully confirms my hunch.
1897  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why so little talk of Dave Kleiman? on: May 05, 2016, 03:11:35 PM
If we are basing it on the drcraigwright.com website "proof", then the Sartre document is the one claimed to have been hashed, but he didn't disclose what portion of that document.
He didn't disclose anything else about the document, which is why it's impossible to disprove any claim about it.

My point is the you Bitcoin zealots didn't do your homework. Haha. You also didn't even validate if that was his official website.
I never claimed that it was, nor do I even care. Why would I if it doesn't contain any evidence for any claims that have been made?

You guys are derelict, as well as censoring free speech and technical discussion. No wonder you will end up in failure mindlessly following Blockstream's SegWit soft forking Trojan Horse.
Non sequitur.

I asked you a specific question, "Do you for example even understand why two SHA256 hash function applications in series is not equivalent to 2 x 64 rounds?". I see you are unable to answer it?
I didn't care to answer it since it is irrelevant. I have explained the most likely reason why double SHA256 was used, which is what you asked.

After we confirm that you can't answer it, then I will REKT the rest of your technically incorrect response above.
Alright, fine. The answer is yes. I do understand why two SHA256 hash function applications in series is not equivalent to 2 x 64 rounds. It would be pretty meaningless if it was.

Try reading the linked article to learn more about your character.
It says more about yours than mine.
1898  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why so little talk of Dave Kleiman? on: May 05, 2016, 02:31:45 PM
1. Craig said he signed a hash of some Sartre document but did not disclose which portion of the text. No one has written a script to prove that no portion or combination of portions of that Sartre text will not hash to the value that was signed. Thus I stated until someone has proven that it is impossible for Craig to later show that some portion of the Sartre text will hash to the sign hash value, then you can't claim with certainty that he can't do that. At the bare minimum, those who were checking Craig's proof, should have at least run a simple script to try every contiguous portion (no permutations) of the Sartre text (which is a tractable computation).
Such a script would prove nothing, since you know nothing about the input Craig allegedly used. If you feed the script a plain ASCII text file, you'll just claim he might have used UTF16. Or a PDF file, which can altered in infinitely many ways without affecting the text content. Or a JPEG of a photograph of a printout of the document. Or something else entirely. You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to show that such a hash collision exists, not on anyone else to prove that it doesn't.

2. I have stated that no one seems to know why Bitcoin employs double hashing, and I have stated a theory that double hashing may weaken the collision resistance of the SHA256. I gave my logic for why that may be the case. I also note that SHA256 is documented to be reasonably close to being broken with 46 - 52 of the 64 rounds already broken. Thus I presented the theory that perhaps the double-hashing might push the vulnerability over the edge of breakage of 64 rounds. I didn't present that as a likely theory. I presented it as a point of discussion. If you have no way to refute this technical possibility because you don't know a damn thing about cryptographic hash function construction then that means you are not expert enough to comment about the quality of my theory. Do you for example even understand why two SHA256 hash function applications in series is not equivalent to 2 x 64 rounds? I ask you a specific question and I expect a specific answer.
Because double hashing is routinely employed to avoid preimage and length extension attacks, whether such protection is needed or not. Multiple iterations do not make it more vulnerable (again, if you believe it does, it's up to you to produce evidence of such a vulnerability), so there's no downside except for a slight reduction in performance.

I understand you don't like me, but that is your personal problem.
No, it isn't. It would a problem if I did like you, since anyone who does must be a poor judge of character.
1899  Other / Meta / Re: URGENT: please peer review a possible back door in Bitcoin? on: May 05, 2016, 12:34:41 PM
Edit: let's go on Skype now. I want to talk some sense into you or at least find out in voice and webcam what sort of idiot trolls me. Are you afraid?
I don't have a webcam.

Disingenuous fuckers you all are.
Hey, I'm man enough to take a few insults, but now you've gone too far. Angry I am not a disingenuous fucker. My sex life has always been genuine. Are you just jealous?
1900  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why so little talk of Dave Kleiman? on: May 05, 2016, 12:07:08 PM
Your thread was deleted because it was utterly moronic, even more so than your usual bullshit. Everyone who had the misfortune to read it is now dumber for having done so. Go ahead and sell your coins, and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

The Bitcoin maximalists are having a heart attack because they don't like the facts.

While there are facts I don't like, I can accept them and I've never suffered a heart attack as a result. Though it's irrelevant since you've never said anything that even remotely resembles a fact.

You are free to present a refutation of anything I've written. So far, I've seen no technical argument from you.
How can I? One can only make a technical argument against disputed facts, and as I said, nothing you've ever said resembles a fact, disputed or otherwise. There is no technical argument to be made against the ravings of a deranged lunatic.
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