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1661  Other / Meta / Re: A warning automatically injected into a PM by the forum system on: November 28, 2016, 06:03:53 AM
Wow, you've been in the computer business since 79 BC.
80 BC, actually. When using +/- year numbering, remember that year 0 is actually 1 BC. The Catholic Church apologises for the inconvenience.

Can't imagine what OS they were using back then.
An old version of Maya OS, no doubt. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it; it's still widely used enough that the infamous year 2012 bug threatened to cause worldwide chaos, but they managed to rush an update through at the last minute.
1662  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 27, 2016, 07:49:22 AM
More analysis! It's head-to-head time as we pit each candidate against each other candidate in a one-on-one contest for majority. For each match-up, only ballots which voted for one or both of the candidates are counted (ballots which voted for both count for whichever candidate was ranked higher). Here are the results:

Pairwise matrix
Candidateachow101AdrianoDabsHostFatLaudaMitchellmprepxandryWins
achow10158 (93.5%)51 (57.3%)54 (70.1%)29 (30.2%)24 (24.7%)54 (73.0%)58 (98.3%)5 █████░░
Adriano4 (6.5%)1 (2.2%)3 (11.1%)4 (4.7%)4 (4.5%)3 (12.0%)4 (100.0%)1 █░░░░░░
Dabs38 (42.7%)45 (97.8%)41 (64.1%)29 (29.3%)25 (25.3%)41 (69.5%)45 (97.8%)4 ████░░░
HostFat23 (29.9%)24 (88.9%)23 (35.9%)24 (23.8%)22 (20.8%)23 (51.1%)24 (100.0%)3 ███░░░░
Lauda67 (69.8%)81 (95.3%)70 (70.7%)77 (76.2%)48 (48.5%)76 (85.4%)81 (98.8%)6 ██████░
Mitchell73 (75.3%)84 (95.5%)74 (74.7%)84 (79.2%)51 (51.5%)81 (86.2%)86 (98.9%)7 ███████
mprep20 (27.0%)22 (88.0%)18 (30.5%)22 (48.9%)13 (14.6%)13 (13.8%)22 (95.7%)2 ██░░░░░
xandry1 (1.7%)0 (0.0%)1 (2.2%)0 (0.0%)1 (1.2%)1 (1.1%)1 (4.3%)0 ░░░░░░░
Losses26341057

As Mitchell has a majority over every other candidate, he is the Condorcet winner. Conversely, xandry is the Condorcet loser, being defeated by every other candidate. (Note that an election will not necessarily have a Condorcet winner and loser.)

Copeland's pairwise aggregation
Pairwise wins minus pairwise losses.
#1 Mitchell: ████████████████████████████████████████  7          
#2 Lauda:    ██████████████████████████████████░░░░░░  5          
#3 achow101: █████████████████████████████░░░░░░░░░░░  3          
#4 Dabs:     ███████████████████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░  1          
#5 HostFat:  █████████████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ -1          
#6 mprep:    ███████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ -3          
#7 Adriano:  ██████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ -5          
#8 xandry:   ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ -7          

This system always elects the Condorcet winner when one exists, so naturally Mitchell comes out on top. As with the other systems where #1 votes aren't as important, achow101 reaches 3rd place and HostFat drops to 5th. Notably, the result is perfectly linear, as each candidate loses to every higher-placed candidate and defeats every lower-placed candidate, ie, there are no non-transitive preferences.
1663  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 26, 2016, 02:51:11 PM
That is an amazing analysis.  Did you type that all by hand or did you write some code to push it out?
Everything from counting the votes to formatting the charts was all by hand, with some help from a calculator and two cans of Red Bull. That's why it took so long to push out. If we're ever going to do something like this again, I really ought to write some code to automate this work; a hundred ballots is about the limit of what I can manage in a reasonable time frame.



Bonus half-arsed analysis: Since two moderators might be promoted, I should note that under a two-winner single transferable vote (the multiple-winner version of instant run-off voting), Lauda and Mitchell would both win, regardless of what rules are used (if the Droop quota (33.3̅%+1) is used, they both win in round 3 above with 0.6̅ surplus votes each* (an exact tie), while if the Hare quota (50%) is used, Mitchell achieves quota in round 5, and Lauda wins by default being the only remaining candidate for Mitchell's 1.5 surplus votes to transfer to).

*These 1.3̅ votes would be subdivided further between the remaining candidates (HostFat and Dabs) based on the averaged preferences of all the votes for the winners, which means counting them all over again, which I'm not going to do because 1.3̅ votes isn't quite enough to bump Dabs into 3rd place, no matter which way they go.
1664  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 26, 2016, 05:43:40 AM
Mitchell wins!

Two candidate preferred vote:
|
   Lauda (48.5%) ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓ (51.5%) Mitchell
|
Lauda: 48
Mitchell: 51
Exhausted: 19

Swing-o-meter:
|
   Lauda (+1.1%) ░░░░░░░░░░░░████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (-1.1%) Mitchell
|

Lauda got a couple of extra votes in the final day, but in the end it just wasn't enough. Congratulations to Mitchell.

Final rankings:
CandidateRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5
#1 Mitchell34 (28.8%)36 (30.5%)41 (34.7%)50 (42.7%)51 (51.5%)
#2 Lauda37 (31.4%)38 (32.2%)41 (34.7%)45 (38.5%)48 (48.5%)
#3 HostFat20 (16.9%)20 (16.9%)21 (17.8%)22 (18.8%)0
#4 Dabs14 (11.9%)15 (12.7%)15 (12.7%)00
#5 achow1018 (6.8%)9 (7.6%)000
#6 mprep5 (4.2%)0000
#7 Adriano00000
=7 xandry00000
Exhausted000119



Here's how the result would have turned out under some other voting systems:
First past the post:
The standard plurality system familiar to most people. The candidate with the most #1 votes wins!
#1 Lauda:    37 █████████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (31.4%)       
#2 Mitchell: 34 ████████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (28.8%)       
#3 HostFat:  20 ███████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (16.9%)       
#4 Dabs:     14 █████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (11.9%)       
#5 achow101:  8 ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 6.8%)       
#6 mprep:     5 ██░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 4.2%)       
#7 Adriano:   0 ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 0.0%)       
=7 xandry:    0 ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 0.0%)       

Lauda would have won under this system, though the rankings of the other candidates would remain unchanged.

Borda count:
Candidates receive 3 points for each #1 vote, 2 points for each #2 vote, and 1 point for each #3 vote. Naturally, the one with the most points wins!
#1 Mitchell: 188 ███████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (28.4%)         
#2 Lauda:    176 ███████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (26.6%)         
#3 achow101:  97 ██████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (14.7%)         
#4 Dabs:      84 █████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (12.7%)         
#5 HostFat:   67 ████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (10.1%)         
#6 mprep:     42 ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 6.3%)         
#7 Adriano:    7 ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 1.1%)         
#8 xandry:     1 ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 0.2%)         

Mitchell still wins by a narrow margin, but with no eliminations, achow101 takes 3rd place. With #1 votes not as helpful under this system, and not having much else to go on, HostFat drops down to 5th place. Last, and in fact least, there is no longer a tie for last place. Xandry loses having received only a single #3 vote.

Bucklin voting:
When no candidate has a majority of #1 votes, #2 votes are added to the mix (and #3, if there's still no majority leader). (Majority is defined as 50% of the ballots (in this case 59), so it's possible for more than one candidate to have a majority after several rounds. In that case, the one with the highest count wins.)
#1 Mitchell: 68 ████████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (30.5%)       
#2 Lauda:    58 ██████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (26.0%)       
#3 achow101: 31 ██████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (13.9%)       
#4 Dabs:     25 ████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (11.2%)       
#5 HostFat:  23 ████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (10.3%)       
#6 mprep:    15 ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 6.7%)       
#7 Adriano:   3 █░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 1.3%)       
#8 xandry:    0 ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ( 0.0%)       

Exhausted: 13
Mitchell is the only candidate to reach the requisite 59 votes and is the clear winner. As with the Borda system, achow101 is in 3rd and HostFat is in 5th, with #2 votes being more decisive. Again, xandry is in last place, with the single #3 vote not counting at all.

It's worth noting that this election was close enough that under systems where ballot exhaustion is a possibility (instant run-off and Bucklin), the exhausted ballots could have decided the outcome had they counted. Most of them were cases of people not putting a #2 or #3 preference. The outcome might have been different had people known how to vote properly. Roll Eyes

(Some percentages may not add to exactly 100.0% due to rounding errors.)
1665  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 26, 2016, 12:16:56 AM
It would have been better to use full preferential voting but I was feeling lazy.
There are currently 4 exhausted ballots that had all 3 preferences (and presumably would have had more if they were allowed to), and only 3 votes separating the top two candidates. No offence, but your laziness is likely to call the outcome into question. Undecided
1666  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does anyone have a solution to this? on: November 25, 2016, 08:27:29 AM
Looks like you have a bad hard drive.  It happens even to new ones.
In my experience it usually happens to new ones. I've seen this before. Brand new hard drives sometimes have manufacturing defects and fail completely after just a few days or weeks of use. If a drive survives its first month of service, then there's nothing wrong with it and it'll likely last for years or decades.

Also, SMART doesn't joke around with its "imminent failure" warnings. If you were to back up your data right now, it's as likely as not the drive would start making horrible grinding noises before the backup is even complete. Though since the drive is new, I presume you don't have much data to lose.

You shouldn't have a problem returning the drive. The store will see for themselves that the drive is dead or dying and give you a new one, no questions asked.
1667  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 25, 2016, 04:01:02 AM
Two candidate preferred vote:
|
   Lauda (47.4%) ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓ (52.6%) Mitchell
|
Lauda: 46
Mitchell: 51
Exhausted: 19

Swing-o-meter:
|
   Lauda (±0.0%) ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (±0.0%) Mitchell
|
Lauda and Mitchell each receive a single additional vote as we enter the last day of voting. Mitchell retains his lead. Does A!'s vote count? It's not on the spreadsheet yet. Whatever, it doesn't change anything.
1668  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: WTF is going on with mempool.. 0.50 USD per Kb for 2 block trans... on: November 25, 2016, 03:37:16 AM
Something is being done. It's called SegWit and increases the block size to 4MB. Perhaps you've heard of it?
1669  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 24, 2016, 03:23:56 PM
I guess since the voting has tapered off, this is okay but does this lead would-be voters down the proverbial garden path?
That's why I asked achow101's permission before I started posting these results, but as I pointed out then, anyone can do what I'm doing. The problem, as I see it, is that since instant run-off voting isn't widely used outside of Australia, people might not understand it and think that votes for unpopular candidates won't count, which is exactly the situation that instant run-off voting is meant to avoid. You can safely give your #1 vote to any candidate you like, since if (and only if) they lose, your vote will go to your #2 choice (and finally to your #3 choice, if your #2 choice also loses).
1670  Economy / Speculation / Re: IRS sniffing around Coinbase on: November 24, 2016, 05:08:34 AM
Who says I am going to spend all of it at one time? Besides there is the black market and there are ways to launder your money for a fee. Bitcoin just happen to make it all easier at some point of the process. Add a tumbler to your VPN + Tor usage then it would really be hard for the government to trace your trail.
So, you plan to commit further crimes to cover up your first crime? That really only gets you so far, though I suppose it's an acceptable risk if you expect to get concurrent sentences. Carry on.
1671  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 24, 2016, 04:00:29 AM
Two candidate preferred vote:
|
   Lauda (47.4%) ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓ (52.6%) Mitchell
|
Lauda: 45
Mitchell: 50
Exhausted: 18

Swing-o-meter:
|
   Lauda (-0.5%) ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (+0.5%) Mitchell
|
The election race slows down with only a single additional vote since yesterday. There's not much to say about it. Mitchell looks set to win by a slim margin.
1672  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: November 23, 2016, 03:36:04 PM
it is easy for all the rest of the religions to make money off the atheists.
That's true. Every time an atheist steps into a church, he feels guilty for not believing and thinks a donation to the cause will make things right. Of course, the faithful know you can't just buy your way into Heaven, and so never give their money away for such foolishness. Tithing is for sinners. That's how it works, right? Roll Eyes
1673  Economy / Speculation / Re: IRS sniffing around Coinbase on: November 23, 2016, 12:25:34 PM
This will be another legal and a "paper trail" headache for the IRS. Imagine this scenario, I buy $100,000 worth of Bitcoins at Coinbase, transfer them to different addresses using an HD wallet. I gamble some in a sportsbetting website, buy altcoins with some at 3 different altcoin exchanges and then transfer them back to different addresses in my HD wallet. I cash out some using Local Bitcoins for a person to person transaction.

How will the IRS figure that out. Also let us pretend I use VPN + Tor since I am also a dark market user.
How exactly are you planning to spend that kind of money? Are you just going to walk into, say, a Porsche dealership with a briefcase full of bills as though nobody's going to ask any questions? Roll Eyes
1674  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 23, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
What's an idiot like franky1 even doing in DT anyway?
1675  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: output is more than input. will it get confirmed? on: November 23, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
Your transaction fees are extremely low, so those transactions will likely take several hours to confirm. What wallet are you using?

Looks like my outputs are bigger than inputs.
Huh What are talking about?
1676  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 23, 2016, 04:01:20 AM
Two candidate preferred vote:
|
   Lauda (47.9%) ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓ (52.1%) Mitchell
|
Lauda: 45
Mitchell: 49
Exhausted: 18

Swing-o-meter:
|
   Lauda (+0.7%) ░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░█████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (-0.7%) Mitchell
|
The gap between Lauda and Mitchell continues to narrow, with just 4 votes separating them. But with only 3 days remaining in this election, will Lauda be able to catch up? It's worth noting that 4 of the exhausted ballots had all 3 preferences. These could have potentially changed the outcome had more than 3 preferences been allowed.



You can check the edit history of the spreadsheet.
Huh No, I can't. It would have been easier if I could.
1677  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 22, 2016, 11:03:29 AM
IMO deleting it from the spreadsheet is wrong. As long as votes get changed/removed they should be kept there with a comment (and obviously invalidated if appropriate).
Yes, and that used to be case, but it isn't now.

From my own findings, the following votes are invalid and can not be found in the voting sheet:
wazzap (negative rating)
Gunthar (electioneering?)
Docnaster (Unknown?)
Quickseller(negative rating)
Don't forget vindicare (electioneering).

This votes are present in the sheet but have been deleted (no post exists):
Quote
Yuuto   - Achow, Mitchell, Dabs
Seansky - Dabs, Achow, Mitchell
I could have sworn I saw Yuuto's post earlier. But it's gone now. What the Hell's going on here?
1678  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 22, 2016, 10:07:34 AM
EDIT: After manually recounting all the votes, I've discovered that Docnaster's vote has vanished,
Wait, that can't be right. Docnaster's vote isn't in my list of mprep preference flows. Neither of us were counting it in the first place. (Oops. Embarrassed) Looking at the raw numbers, I see I have an extra primary vote for Mitchell that isn't on the spreadsheet (but it definitely was, because the numbers used to match). And I wasn't keeping track of the primary votes since I was relying on the spreadsheet for that. It must have been deleted from both the thread and the spreadsheet.
1679  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 22, 2016, 09:09:06 AM
Your calculation shows a 5 vote difference, while sheets show a 3 vote difference. I don't think that you've factored in that some votes may or may not have been invalidated by achow. I will double check them later.
Checking. There are currently only 105 votes instead of 107, and there were definitely 107 votes on the spreadsheet when I posted (I do some checking). I counted a vote for Mitchell from redsn0w since he was allowed to change it. I remember this distinctly because it caused me a great deal of confusion when I didn't notice it was changed and my results were off by one vote. That vote is no longer on the spreadsheet, and there's no explanation of where it went, as there was the previous times votes were deleted. Another vote has vanished, and I'm still trying to determine whose, though it must have been a vote for Mitchell (after preferences) since I checked my results when I posted and they matched the spreadsheet at the time. EDIT: After manually recounting all the votes, I've discovered that Docnaster's vote has vanished, and, although unrelated to original discrepancy, the post with Seansky's vote has been deleted from the thread, though his vote remains on the spreadsheet.

I hope achow101 can shed some light on this troubling development. Undecided
1680  Other / Meta / Re: [Unofficial] New Global Moderator Election - [Discussion] on: November 22, 2016, 04:07:30 AM
Two candidate preferred vote:
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   Lauda (47.2%) ▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓ (52.8%) Mitchell
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Lauda: 42
Mitchell: 47
Exhausted: 18

Swing-o-meter:
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   Lauda (+1.7%) ░░░░░░░░░░░░████████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ (-1.7%) Mitchell
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The race is now closer than ever as Lauda gains a narrow lead in the primary vote, but it's not enough to overcome the preferences for Mitchell. A mere 5 votes stand between the top two candidates. Even though the election is nearly half over, it's still anyone guess who will win.



If you do not have multiple votes, your vote will not be counted.
Most of them weren't counting anyway. What difference is this rule expected to make?

I've underestimated the stupidity and lack of reading of the people on this forum.
You what? Are you sure you're cut out to be a global moderator? Tongue
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