I think you underestimate the ability of authorities around the world to force ISPs in their jurisdictions to block Bitcoin network traffic in order to protect against flavor-of-the-week bogeymen.
At that point, it becomes a cat and mouse game. The leaner the requirements (bandwidth) to facilitate a working Bitcoin network, the easier it is to maintain it in the face of direct censorship.
I filter EVERYTHING through that lens. We have basically ONE asset (you could argue other cryptocurrencies as well) on the planet which can't be controlled by some authority. I don't want to lose it.
When we have a worldwide decentralized wireless mesh network in place which is capable of hosting the Bitcoin network with blocks bigger than 1MB, I will gladly support increasing the direct on-chain scaling of Bitcoin. Until then, we should use layers that can be peeled away in a worst case scenario situation.
Bitcoin means one thing to me: Freedom. I'm willing to wait a long time and pay handsomely in order to write into the permanent ledger that every full node must keep a copy of forever. I can use cash and credit cards for everything else.
All transactions do not need to be censorship-proof in a world where censorship-proof transactions exist.
As far as "ignoring the problem", I strongly believe that everyone who wants to increase the on-chain capacity simply by increasing the block size is ignoring the problem. There are real trade-offs and I will err on the side of a lean, robust block chain every single time.
Anyway, instead of attacking me, why don't you do something constructive and enact your solution and let it compete on the market? I'm not screaming for change in another new thread every day, I'm perfectly content to have everything remain in stasis for years to come. I'm not interested in "Bitcoin for the mainstream" and I personally don't believe the average mainstream debt slave cares about Bitcoin in the slightest.
At that point, it becomes a cat and mouse game. The leaner the requirements (bandwidth) to facilitate a working Bitcoin network, the easier it is to maintain it in the face of direct censorship.
I filter EVERYTHING through that lens. We have basically ONE asset (you could argue other cryptocurrencies as well) on the planet which can't be controlled by some authority. I don't want to lose it.
When we have a worldwide decentralized wireless mesh network in place which is capable of hosting the Bitcoin network with blocks bigger than 1MB, I will gladly support increasing the direct on-chain scaling of Bitcoin. Until then, we should use layers that can be peeled away in a worst case scenario situation.
Bitcoin means one thing to me: Freedom. I'm willing to wait a long time and pay handsomely in order to write into the permanent ledger that every full node must keep a copy of forever. I can use cash and credit cards for everything else.
All transactions do not need to be censorship-proof in a world where censorship-proof transactions exist.
As far as "ignoring the problem", I strongly believe that everyone who wants to increase the on-chain capacity simply by increasing the block size is ignoring the problem. There are real trade-offs and I will err on the side of a lean, robust block chain every single time.
Anyway, instead of attacking me, why don't you do something constructive and enact your solution and let it compete on the market? I'm not screaming for change in another new thread every day, I'm perfectly content to have everything remain in stasis for years to come. I'm not interested in "Bitcoin for the mainstream" and I personally don't believe the average mainstream debt slave cares about Bitcoin in the slightest.
i talked about ISP issues many times im fully aware i even broke it down into how easily it is for ISP's to do it
ok. another worse case scenario.
a government could via united nations/interpol set up a sudden international tactical strike
this can be done by
https://bitnodes.21.co/
getting all the IP's and finding out which ISP that ip belongs to.
EG in the UK its under 230..in the U.S its under 1500
so imagine tomorrow under 230 homes out of 20 million households have their internet disconnected
at the same time
in america under 1500 homes out of 100mill households have their internet disconnected
and so on
even things like proxies are useless because the landline has been literally cut off for upto 6000 locations
think its impossible? its not. ISP's have millions of customers and regularly turn the internet off on 10's of thousands of users every week due to breach of contract/non payment of bill.
they would also take bitnodes and other DNS seeding locations offline to further cause drama of new node locations not being able to link up, though smart people will just join an IRC channel and request a list of working ip addresses to manually add node connections
as for the network
what would happen is that the countries with no "partnerships" to whatever agency is organising this tactical strike will continue on. and people who are affected would need to either move house or go to court to get their internet ban lifted or change ISP which can take upto 10 days in some cases.
again it wont require an all out "ban the internet" of 1.5billion people. but instead disconnecting the land lines of under 6000 people to cause alot of drama and issues.
the solution is to get more diverse. instead of bitcoin nodes running in just 91 countries it needs to be running in all 200 countries. and also needs to be running via satalite and other non landline/ISP reliant methods
a government could via united nations/interpol set up a sudden international tactical strike
this can be done by
https://bitnodes.21.co/
getting all the IP's and finding out which ISP that ip belongs to.
EG in the UK its under 230..in the U.S its under 1500
so imagine tomorrow under 230 homes out of 20 million households have their internet disconnected
at the same time
in america under 1500 homes out of 100mill households have their internet disconnected
and so on
even things like proxies are useless because the landline has been literally cut off for upto 6000 locations
think its impossible? its not. ISP's have millions of customers and regularly turn the internet off on 10's of thousands of users every week due to breach of contract/non payment of bill.
they would also take bitnodes and other DNS seeding locations offline to further cause drama of new node locations not being able to link up, though smart people will just join an IRC channel and request a list of working ip addresses to manually add node connections
as for the network
what would happen is that the countries with no "partnerships" to whatever agency is organising this tactical strike will continue on. and people who are affected would need to either move house or go to court to get their internet ban lifted or change ISP which can take upto 10 days in some cases.
again it wont require an all out "ban the internet" of 1.5billion people. but instead disconnecting the land lines of under 6000 people to cause alot of drama and issues.
the solution is to get more diverse. instead of bitcoin nodes running in just 91 countries it needs to be running in all 200 countries. and also needs to be running via satalite and other non landline/ISP reliant methods
the data/bloat is not an issue.
you do realise that 1mb base 4mb weight is the end-sum acceptable and same bloat as 2mb base 4mb weight.. the difference is that its actually utilised better, not holding it back at 1.8mb(lean) to then later utilise the spare 2.2mb for other features, but instead allowing more just lean transactions through. at a metric of 3.6mb(lean) with 0.4mb for other features
also breaking the network into layers only works if the layers didnt have to rely on eachother
the downside of that. is that then really is an altcoin..
also by being completely detachable makes people more careless, and less scrutinising things because they think if everyone has moved over to the bankers hyperledger (like your hinting) then its ok if bitcoin dies because peoples funds are no longer on bitcoin.
again the banker endgame agenda, get people to not care about bitcoin because they dont understand the "service" they were directed towards.
my mindset is to scrutinise and look at all attack vectors of bitcoin to keep bitcoin strong. and yea i am not here to kiss some banker paid devs ass or trust a dev .. after all if they decide to retire (satoshi) have medical reasons to stop(hal finney) quit(hearn) or join the bankers (hearne maxwell wuille).. where would we be left when they are not cough "maintaining" the code" cough
we need to think about bitcoins network first. not what devs want, not what bankers want. especially if what the devs and bankers want differs from the ethos of decentralised permissionless peer-to-peer currency with no barrier of entry