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1941  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Private school is child slavery!!! on: November 19, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
Edit: one could even put it this way: ownership of property is just the idea that something belongs to you.

Very deep, very Zen. Unfortunately, also very flawed. If I come and take your stereo, you still have that idea, but I have your stereo. If I copy your book, we both have the book, and we both have the idea.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIeTybKL1pM4&ei=i0uqUPOPLIeO8wStqoDADA&usg=AFQjCNEDg7_ap8otqvRJxjUWZn4Bw2kP7g

That's what copies can do...
1942  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Very overlooked detail that could catch us off guard. on: November 19, 2012, 02:55:23 PM

Maybe he's deliberately changing his MO so he isn't caught so quick.

Nah. Say what you may about Atlas, he's annoying, he's clueless about a lot of nonBTC stuff while talking with an air of authority, he doesn't know when to shut up, all that, but he wouldn't make a mistake like ignoring the block halving.

That's probably true.  He does have his pride.
1943  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Private school is child slavery!!! on: November 19, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
LOL. I had no idea that I have been working at a child slavery institution. Considering their parents paid $90k for a sixth grade education we will surely be profitable renting them out as slaves. Many of my former slaves are now at elite universities around the world. Presumably working the fields until their Oxford degree comes through.

They have earned some very gilded cages; but, dammit, they are slaves without the liberating childhood or taxpayer funded public education!
1944  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Very overlooked detail that could catch us off guard. on: November 19, 2012, 02:37:01 PM

Maybe he's deliberately changing his MO so he isn't caught so quick.
1945  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Private school is child slavery!!! on: November 19, 2012, 02:34:05 PM

If you want a more realistic example, how about the widespread rejection of "intellectual property rights for artistic or creative endeavours"? American Big Business just loves to create and assert rights over all realms of 'intellectual property', from songs and movies through to medical cures and DNA. But guess what, they appeal to government authority to enforce their rights. AnCap is simply Fascism in disguise -- you imagine that things would be better without an officially designated government, whereas actually the only law would be: "might is right".
... Are you actually claiming that AnCaps would be pro IP? I assure you we are not, and those few libertarians who are, haven't examined that part of their philosophy very well. IP law is an attempt to create artificial scarcity where there is none - in information. and since it requires government force to make it stick, no AnCap is going to support it. AnCap is not "fascism in disguise," you're confusing AnCap with American conservatism. We're not the republican party, no matter how much you would like to put us on that tidy little left-right line.


Yeah, I almost choked on my morning coffee on that one.  Copyright is, by it's very root definition, a limited term monopoly on the "right" to copy an intellectual work.  It's not even a monopoly arising from market forces (if such a think could really exist) without the intervention of governments that grant and support said monopoly.  Ayn Rand was not a libertarian.  Neither is Glenn Beck.
1946  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: November 19, 2012, 01:12:00 PM
HelloIm from EU,

My condolences upon your losses.
1947  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Very overlooked detail that could catch us off guard. on: November 19, 2012, 01:10:49 PM
Atlas?
1948  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How Libertarianism was created by big business lobbyists on: November 19, 2012, 01:06:24 PM
Cliff notes, anyone? Text wall; no time...

But first, I'll take a wild guess: it turns out that the pillars of Libertarianism: strong private property rights, pseudo-non-aggression religion, and freedom of market-makers, if left unchecked actually encourage corrupt business practices and creeping Fascism? Cheesy

Not even that high an intellectual mark.
1949  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Honey Caramels on: November 18, 2012, 09:03:57 PM
Since you make honey stuff do you think we could get a new product made: honey badger?

I kind of like Bitcoin's new mascot.

Honey Badger don't care...
1950  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Private school is child slavery!!! on: November 18, 2012, 04:03:11 AM
I bothered to read this thread.  I can never get that lifespan back.  Not only do I not have anything constructive to add to the topic, apparently neither does anyone else.  Since this entire thread seems to be the trolling version of a circular firing squad, I'll just leave it all be. 

And yes, I'm now counting myself amongst the trolls here.  I guess I'm now slumming.
1951  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thanks USA! on: November 18, 2012, 03:54:06 AM
How is that electricity generated though, the stuff that isn't imported?  Solyndra was sure a grand slam eh?  I don't believe there's many new nuke plants being built in the States is there, I know of two?  

I submit that electric powered vehicles, let alone hydrogen powered vehicles, will not be mainstream for decades if at all.  Chevy Volt failed so spectacularly they stopped making them.  One can buy two nice compact cars for what a Nissan Leaf costs, ditto for a Mitsubishi Miev.   Or is Obama and JP Morgan going to give them away like cell phones and food stamps?  When was the last time you saw a hydrogen fuel cell-powered car driving around?  Just the infrastructure alone to service these vehicles on a national basis will take who knows how many years to build out.  Talk about limited in scope.

Oh and I agree LFTR sounds amazing and safe too but it's still just conceptual isn't it?

Further to MoonShadows great points, here's some analysis of the issue of america's energy self-sufficiency and the IEA's projections.  Lauren Lyster isn't hard to take either.

Coal. Interestingly enough, I don't think anyone in power is going to attempt to make the US into a net energy producer... and coal is one of obama's targets. Don't worry over the next 4 years you'll see a real economic collapse in this county.



Four years?  I give it less than two.
1952  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Corporal Punishment (Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 18, 2012, 12:02:34 AM
Another parent's testimonial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEDqB14wlao

Quote
So if you treat your child with respect instead of aggression, you will get respect instead of aggression.
/thread.

My wife and I constantly get compliments about how well behaved our children are.  This has less to do with what we may consider to be a legitimate correction method and more to do with the fact that they are homeschooled, and thus are not exposed to the bad habits of other peoples' children (in a mostly uncontrolled environment).  Corrolation is not causation.
1953  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Silk road down for second day, what's going on? on: November 17, 2012, 11:56:49 PM
Eventually some idiot seller is going to get busted, the cops will catch on he was using silk road, and the idiot seller will have a list of
everyone he sent drugs to. Watch the fall out from it as people realize it might not be as safe as they thought and get hit not only with
drug charges but other related felony charges due to using the mail system across state lines... Cant you picture a bunch of boxes and
envelopes with drugs in them with address labels on the top waiting to be mailed the next day? lol.. i can. Or better yet the drug seller
will cooperate with police to keep taking orders and racking up more and more names until they have a cool 100 or so customers to bust.

But eh.. this is bitcoin. It will take several fucks up before people think.

That's not a risk that is inherent to Bitcoin transactions, or even to Silk Road.  So that isn't a Bitcoin issue to solve.  If drugs is what you want, you are taking the risks.  Using bitcoin does reduce those risks in some ways, but wise consumers should be aware that Bitcoin isn't some magic pill.
1954  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thanks USA! on: November 17, 2012, 05:54:20 AM
I have read an interesting analysis (commercial) on obama, energy and economics (I can share this with you but its a commercial letter that was intended to make people sign up for commercial analytics).
Bottom line was, obama is in the right place at the right time which will most probably make him to the most popular president of the united states in history.

LOL!  While that goal actually shouldn't be a very hard target to hit, the mere luck of being in office when domestic oil production experiences a resurgence isn't likely to come close to that goal.  And the reports that fraking can make the US energy independent, before or after 2025, is silly cheerleading.  All the assumptions are to the unrealisticly-favorable end of the spectrum, including growth patterns in domestic demand itself.

Also, this new tech doesn't actually grant us more oil than we had, it just means that more of it is extractable.  That does not mean that all that is extractable is economicly viable, much less a net-positive energy gain.  Much like how corn based ethanol takes about as much energy to create as is extractable, there is a point at which it becomes counterproductive energy-wise to continue to extract more oil from the ground & refine it to a point that it's usable in current engine technology.  There is no doubt that more oil is extractable with fraking, but not all of that is of a quality to make that worthwhile.  The Tar sands oil is one example, it's of a particularly low quality that requires much more effort in refinement than what is commonly available from OPEC.

Furthermore, the ills that way upon the current economy have little to do with the availablity of energy, and much to do with the final stages of faulty economic theories used at national levels.  Europe will break apart again, and the cost of oil isn't going to matter a great deal on that front.  When this happens, the US will also be stressed to great levels.  The global economy is far to intergrated these days in order for the US to 'decouple' from Europe in the way that we did following WWII.  This one's going to hurt no matter what the price of oil is.
1955  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 17, 2012, 05:37:43 AM
When did this thread devolve into a red scare circle jerk  Huh

If the reds don't git'cha...

http://activelydisengaged.com/actively-disengaged-7-keep-looking-over-there/
1956  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Corporal Punishment (Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 17, 2012, 05:31:54 AM
Fortunately the awareness of how ethics should be applied to children is spreading in spite of the holdouts.

The reason I don't waste much time arguing about this stuff is because the truth is winning. It can't be stopped any more - twenty years from now spanking children will be considered as shameful as being a member of the KKK.


Interesting prediction.  I doubt it, really.  Again, my own parents were adherents to the no-spanking theories; but reality intervened enough that they ended up compromising the spirit of the idea, although not the letter.   I would be quite surprised to discover that I was comparable to a KKK in another 20 years, for no other fact than one of the greatest proponets of no-contact parenting was Dr. Spock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock) whose first book on parenting was published in 1946.  Dr. Spock didn't, at first, openly challenge the use of corporal punishment; although all of his books were certainly in that vein.  However, Dr. Spock's views on corporal punishment had no relation to the liberty arguments presented herein, because he openly admitted that he was a pacifist and a liberal, and his views on how society at large operated colored his views on this matter. (http://nospank.net/spock2.htm)  Said another way, his views on corporal punishment were not ideological, but pragmatic; and to some degree he certainly had many points.  However, his concerns about how corporal punishment affected the child long term doesn't seem to hold water, and some studies done on the matter since imply that, at worst, being spanked as children had no effect at all whether the grown child had social or psycological issue, or whether or not s/he was successful or criminal.  Some studies show quite the opposite on a lot of those metrics, such as success and general happiness as an adult. (http://www.newsmax.com/US/spanking-studies-children-spock/2010/01/07/id/345669

I'm inclined to wager that it's as likely that such absolutist parental theories are going to die out around the same time as the idea that global warming is predominately caused by human activities, and for the same reasons.  The scientific 'consensus' can ignore it's own detractors from within it's own ranks for decades, but eventually the truth of the matter prevails.
1957  Economy / Speculation / Re: #1 most popular Bitcoin Price Forecasts (subscribe here: bitcoinbullbear.com) on: November 17, 2012, 01:12:01 AM
My reason for up is both because of the high potential of relatively rapid US FRN price inflation this winter, and also because of activites like Bitinstant's Bitcoin debit card that would make real time currency exchanges (even if only in one direction) much easier for Joe Sixpack to understand.

The imminent halving of the block reward, I think, is likely an non-issue; but it certainly isn't going to make the existing stock of bitcoins worth less considering that the effective inflation rate for bitcoin is cutting in half as well.

BTW, I have never before answer "up" to one of these quizes.  I always answered "down" or "I don't know".  One cannot be wrong with "I don't know".
1958  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Silk road down for second day, what's going on? on: November 15, 2012, 07:28:40 PM
You'd think 22 million would at least buy a half decent site or at least have a more motivated staff!  Angry

There is also the trust issue.  One just can't hire anyone to work on a cladestine website, now can one?  I didn't think that a DDOS attack was possible against a hidden service, or is all of Tor under assault?
1959  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 15, 2012, 07:25:17 PM
Not all methods of buying bitcoins have that many middlemen. LocalBitcoins is a site that has users in 86 countries and over 400 cities. It's a free to use platform that makes it easier to have face to face meetings and exchange bitcoins and local currencies. It's also way more anonymous than using the exchanges.

I primarily use exchanges but I do use LocalBitcoins as well. It's a good site.

https://localbitcoins.com/

Then I have to meet some random person who knows that Ill have a bunch of money on me face to face. That usualy works out well :S

Do it in a public venue; preferably one with free wifi & many distractions, such as a bowling ally at league night.  BTW, a bowling ally locker rental is an excellent place (besides a bank safe deposit box) to store important things small enough to put into a bowling bag.  It's a good idea to keep some of your backups in a place that would still be accessible in the event of a bank holiday.  Even better if you happen to like to bowl.
1960  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Our response to Dmytri Kleiner's misunderstanding of money on: November 15, 2012, 07:20:42 PM

Its starting to sound like you dont understand how to purchase bitcoins. You cant just buy bitcoins without going through at least 2 types of exchanges. Minimum being Bank wire > MTGox

While that may be your experience, I've literally never bought bitcoins on an exchange of any kind.  I actually predate MtGox, but only by a little, and as of yet have not been forced to use a bank transfer of any kind to aquire bitcoins, so I know for a fact that it is possible to buy bitcoins entirely outside of the current financial structure if you are both patient & determined.
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