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1941  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 11, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
1. Hi, here's the quote, including both Intellihash and the respin (sorry, it was me that misremembered "respin" - i guess i was trying to reconcile stuff subconsciously, the original is simply ridiculous):

Quote from: ken from locked thread, link below
Intellihash(tm)

Intellihash is our new trademark for our new Bitcoin mining software which gives up to a 20% increase in hashing speed and has the possibility to increase the speed of our mining machines as the difficulty goes up.  We have had to modify the software in our chips to make it work with our new software.  The chips are going to be late; however, our new Intellihash software could be a game changer for the company.

link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297543.msg3782916#msg3782916

"modify the software in our chips to work with our software"?  So you can mine while you mine?

Like I said, wouldnt count on Ken using the correct terminology Smiley.

But there could be some truth to this apparently nonsensical statement; FPGA's do run microcode ('software'). 'our chips' would then have to be referring to FPGA's still. That may sound disastrous that at that point they would still be working on the FPGA prototype, but do keep in mind eASIC nextreme works differently than traditional asics. It uses standard partially processed wafers on which just one layer is changed, and this can be done using an e-Beam; that would be done in house and could be done very fast (within hours literally I believe, but lets call it days).

So here is one hypothesis:
- Nextreme 3 preprocessed wafers are not ready yet or are having issues and they need a respin. Ken may not be allowed to say this publicly.
- meanwhile work is continuing on the ActM FPGA code, changes are made to implement whatever "intellihash" means

The bringing together of those 2 can be done very much faster than with traditional asics, at least for low volume production; its pretty much impossible to guess their timeline, but once working nextreme 3 wafers get delivered, it could be only a matter of days to implement the FPGA code and get working ActM chips (well, wafers) based on them.

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2. If the contract with eAsic was for Ken to be a guinea pig, he simply lied to his investors by misrepresenting the risks.  There's a guy here who invested his retirement fund into this disaster.  

I dont quite see how anyone could have thought a startup company producing bitcoin specific hardware could be risk free. FWIW, KnC is also not telling its Neptune customers its using a brand new, barely tested 20nm process, the equipment for which is still being ordered by TSMC. That may or may not pan out, but TBH, I would rate that higher risk than I would have rated eASIC's ability to bring a well understood structured asic migration process to a well understood mature silicon production process. If I were Ken, I would probably have made that same bet.
1942  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 11, 2014, 12:01:40 AM
If you don't want to dig through this thread, i'll give you a short list of things that don't jive with eAsic screw-up:

1.  Ken announced that he started shipping product. If this is an announcement about shipping cases, it is intentionally deceptive.  If he meant miners,  those require chips.

Like I said, I dont feel too comfortable defending Ken. There is no excuse for stuff like that. That doesnt mean eASIC doesnt bear any responsibility.

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2.  He said that he decided to respin the chips to be compatible with Intellihash, mysterious software that makes shit 20% cooler.  This implies that he had chips to respin, not that eAsic was unable to master its new process.

Id like to see the exact wording of the original statement if you have it at hand. You can do a respin without having any chips, a respin just means you are redesigning one or more metal interconnect layers (not that I would count on Ken to use the correct terminology).  Did he really have chips and if so, did they even work? Who knows, but I think its highly doubtful. Fact is, there is no record of any 28nm nextreme 3 chip working, easic doesnt even promote it or solicit projects for them. IF the process is healthy, how come?

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3.  What kind of a contract did he make with eAsic?  He offered projections and timelines, which have not been met.  Was the contract "give it a shot, if you can't, you can't"?  What money is he entitled to?  What new muppetry is this?

eASIC would have been suicidal to give iron clad guarantees with large late fees for an unreleased process. More likely is that they cut ActM a sweet deal to be a guinea pig for their new process. A bitcoin asic is pretty much a perfect test chip for a new process, so this could have been a win-win.
1943  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 10, 2014, 11:07:08 PM

Other than the press release by eAsic's marketing guy (which gives no details), i have no idea what Ken's deal with eAsic is, whether any money changed hands, who is designing the chip, if there was a deadline or even a project timetable.  Nothing.  Yes, it is not metaphysically imposible that eAsic screwed up, but I wouldn't bank on it.  This looks, walks, and quacks like a duck.  Calling it anything but is unreasonable.

I dont feel too comfortable defending Ken here, but fact is eASIC made a public announcement that it would produce these chips using their 28nm Nextreme 3 back in September. A month earlier there was announcement they would use the process for some chip for seagate:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/06/seagates_asic_amour/

5 months later, that process is still not commercially available and no word of it on their website. I dont see how you could hold Ken responsible for that. ANd it does to some extend help explain why Ken is so restricted by NDA's.
1944  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Asic vendor review (WIP) on: January 10, 2014, 10:53:37 PM
KnC Jupiters (over 10 miners): 100% hardware issue rate (as in: we've been seeing problems with every miner received)

Ouch. Where those all batch 1 jupiters? Also curious how he is rating KnC's customer support in dealing with the issues.
Anyway, downgraded KnC from 4.5 to 4, as Bobsag isnt exactly the only one reporting fairly severe QC issues.
1945  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 10, 2014, 10:29:00 PM
If you read the threads, Ken is presented as an aspy engineer -

Aspy?

FWIW, his linkedin profile doesnt suggest he knows the first thing about chip design:
www.linkedin.com/pub/ken-slaughter/22/962/351


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If Ken did, indeed, simply hand the money over to eAsic, where's da chips?  I thought those guys knew what they were doing?

I can only guess, but like I mentioned above, ActM would have been eASIC's first project on 28nm with a new, unreleased process called Nextreme 3. Since eASIC are still not promoting it or even acknowledging its existence, Im guessing the problem is right there. Doesnt mean eASIC are clueless, shit happens, particularly if you make your business dependent on new, untested, unreleased processes.  (for the record; Im not accusing Ken of doing something stupid here, in fact a 28nm structured asic produced by a reputable company seemed like a smart bet to me as well at the time)
1946  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] on: January 10, 2014, 10:05:51 PM
eAsic is not risking anything.
When I bring a block to a machine shop and ask them to punch it .030 over, they don't ask me if i'm a good engine builder.  They take my money and return me the product I have asked for.  As long as the bores are spec, and the work's done on time, their reputation stays awesome.  Even if I botch the build.

Thats not how it works in semiconductors. eASIC isnt a fab (though even fabs wont produce your chips without the design passing several validation tests aka tape out), a company like eASIC is contracted to produce working asics.  The whole point of eASIC is a seamless migration from working FPGA to asic conversion. Thats their business. Unless you believe no one ever bothered to test the FPGA, any issues with the structured asic would be on eASIC.

Now Im not 100% sure who wrote the FPGA HDL, but Im fairly sure Ken couldnt write a line of RTL/HDL code to save his life. Considering eASIC offers SHA2 IP cores, its a safe bet they did the entire design.

One last point; easic is still not offering their 28nm nextreme-3 process on their website. If you search easic's website for 28nm you will find precious little besides the press release of their deal with VMC. So its not much of a stretch to think its not working properly yet.
1947  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 10, 2014, 08:07:20 PM
Sounds like at least someone might be delivering early :p
1948  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: seeking wisdom to make future predictions. on: January 10, 2014, 03:44:54 PM
It cant go up by more then 300% at a time IIRC.
1949  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: January 09, 2014, 08:46:47 PM
It doesn't make sense why they would.  They are hurting their own cash cow too otherwise.

Not if they think they can get away with it. For the record, there is already very compelling evidence ghash.io was abused to pull off double spend attacks:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.0

Now you may not have sympathy for the victim here,  being a gambling site accepting zero confirmation transactions, but if this is not reason enough for you to switch pools, honestly you deserve what it could lead to.
1950  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: January 09, 2014, 08:37:17 PM
From what I understand, 51%'ing a network does no harm unless the pool operator has bad intentions.

Are you really wiling to bet the value of of your (and mine and everyone else's) bitcoins to the intention of any single anonymous pool op ?
1951  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcurex.com - official thread on: January 09, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
They used to sell on bitmit, but right now, I dont think they are available anywhere.
1952  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 09, 2014, 10:33:41 AM
The details of what happened are not in question here.  The issue at hand is HashFast agreeing to refund cancelled orders with BTC, and then refusing to honor that agreement.  Simon Barber (Founder of HashFast) was asked by cycloid on the 10th of August 2013 if refunds would be in BTC.

He clearly asked in this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2903196#msg2903196
"Now since the only payment option is in BTC Will I get the same ammount of BTC back should you fail to deliver by December 31st?"
"Or are you going to pull BFL and give refunds at exchange equivalent to USD/BTC indexed to the current fiat price per unit?"

Simon Barber's (HashFast's) official response was https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2903338#msg2903338
"Orders are taken in BTC, in the unlikely event we get to refunds they will be given in BTC."


Ok, I was not aware of the context of that statement. The statement itself can still be interpreted in several ways, to continue my analogy, HF could agree to send you another paper cheque so are not forced to get a refund through ACH, paypal or even bitcoin for that matter, but refund using the same manner you paid; however given the question he was answering to, thats difficult to argue now.

1953  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 09, 2014, 08:57:19 AM
That shouldn't even matter. They provided me a bitcoin address, and I paid with bitcoin. I don't care if their payment processor converted it to dollars or not; not my concern. Once the bitcoin leaves my wallet and hits the address that their website or rep provided, that's that. Everything else is an irrelevant internal detail.

If you paid in dollars and they claimed that they don't owe you a dollar refund because they quickly bought a few bushels of coffee beans with your payment, and you're therefore only entitled to refund in coffee beans, would that make sense?

Until a judge rules on this, we can only speculate. I do see both sides of the argument,  but frankly, I do think HF have a case here. AFAIK, their products were priced in dollar, not bitcoins. Bitcoins were used to fulfill the dollar amount but the number of bitcoins needed to fulfill that amount would have changed daily. Did you think that was unfair too? Its clear to me this wasnt a barter trade.

Another way to look at it; if you had paid with a bank cheque; would you expect or demand to get that very same paper cheque back? Or just the equivalent dollar amount since that cheque was just a way to supply HF with the dollars it demanded for their product? Maybe that bank cheque was signed by a bank director that became a presidential candidate or whatever, and has become worth much more in the mean time, but thats not HF's problem, or is it?

1954  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Asic vendor review (WIP) on: January 08, 2014, 10:21:37 PM
You missed the first ASIC company to bring a product to market - ASICMiner.  Sells overpriced outdated technology at prices where the only one seeing ROI is ASICMiner.

Well, I didnt forget them, but they dont seem to selling (directly) to end users anymore in so far they are still selling anything at all, so Im not sure its that relevant for this thread.

I did add VMC, I somehow seemed to have forgotten them, and Im surprised no one thought of pointing that out.
1955  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcurex.com - official thread on: January 08, 2014, 01:22:12 PM
Ive got a euro card and I pay/withdraw in euro, so no charges for me. Well I believe there is a 2.5 euro fee for every cash withdrawal.
1956  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcurex.com - official thread on: January 08, 2014, 06:02:15 AM
Is anything showing in your bitcurex transaction history?
1957  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: January 07, 2014, 10:22:17 PM
www.kncminer.com and their forum down now or I got problem with their connections?

Anyone please confirm!

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.kncminer.com
1958  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 07, 2014, 10:14:21 PM
I doubt very much these early engineering samples hand assembled are a sign of what the final product will be like, but perhaps that last module is a better indicator. I don't know anything about his power consumption.

Do you know anything about operating temperatures?
1959  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 07, 2014, 09:48:49 PM
Surprisingly for a retired electrician, he doesn't. I'll beg, borrow, or buy one before this is all done. I'm curious myself. It's a 300W PSU, which is sufficient overkill to run efficient. We'll see.

I would also be interested in a closeup of the original label on the PSU if its still present.

As for efficiency; you may be surprised but most PSU's are less efficient when they are only lightly loaded. So the higher the capacity of your PSU, for a given power draw, the less efficient it will likely be. To be fair, its not easy to find <300W ATX PSU's and some models do well even at very light loads, but unless AMT found one that is > 100% efficient, I highly doubt they will achieve their claimed 80W at the wall. Most reports Ive seen suggest each of the two Technobit boards will consume over 40W by themselves if hashing over 40GH. Add to that the fans, USB hub, Raspberry controller (?) and PSU inefficiency, and well, you do tend to end up with more than 2x40W Smiley.

Few people will really care about this in a "80"W miner, but it may provide more insight in how honest AMT is specing their gear.

1960  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bitcurex.com - official thread on: January 07, 2014, 09:30:32 PM
How can it not be automated if my transactions consistently show up within seconds of getting confirmed, any time of the day?

Please post a screenshot of your account page with the btc deposit address (feel free to blank/cut out all the rest) and a link to your transaction id. If I were to guess Id say you didnt pay transaction fees and your transaction has been stuck in limbo. If so there is nothing Bitcurex can do about that.

Bitcurex are at times slow to process euro withdrawals (slow meaning it could take a day or two, never seen more than 3, typically its the same day), Ive read reports of euro deposits taking some time, but btc transactions, both deposits and withdrawals are as fast as bitcoin allows.
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