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1981  Economy / Speculation / Re: A Camera Obscura Through Which to View the Energy Use of the Bitcoin Network on: June 01, 2021, 12:33:43 PM
I present to you, my friends, A Monday Morning Long post after getting all coffeed up...

[snip]
Excellent post, merited. I only have one small nit to pick, this part, commonly misunderstood from Manfred Mann's, 'Blinded by the Light':
Wrapping Up (like a deuce, another runner in the night?)

A Deuce is a nickname for a 1932 Ford, the King Daddy of hotrods for many years. The correct phrase is:

Revved up like a deuce
Another runner in the night



I have heard that story...  But then, I have heard Bruce Springsteen perform it (and he actually wrote it) and sing "Cut Loose". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjxbOe7p8C0

Though the Manfred Mann version is way better.
1982  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2021, 10:06:46 PM
This is cool...

Over the last few months my humble little lightning nodes have been used a LOT more for routing than they use to be.  A few months ago I could see just 1 or 2 transactions come through my node each week.  But now it's a totally different world.

In just MAY I have routed over a THOUSAND payments.  So...  from my vantage point the lightning network is actually being used.  My nodes are neither super connected, OR have lot's of value.  Both nodes have channel counts in the realm of DOZENS of channels, and with channel values typically in the 500k to 1mm sats range with a few 2-5mm sat channels as well.   So I am not expecting to route lots and lots of payments.  I think being a well used node requires a lot more commitment to channl count and balancing than I am willing to put in either from a work aspect or fees.  So I just try to keep my nodes in the "more than just for me" range.

Well damn if they are not working.  I was blown away to see 4 digits of forwarding events in my logs for this month.

One really fun one is the node "Podcast Index" which belongs to Adam Curry who is that MTV DJ that is considered the father of the podcast, and also is one of the pioneers for streaming payments via lightning.
In May routing to his node looked like this:



How cool is that?  I routed 236 payments to him for a total of like $3.63 lol.  My charge for doing it?  Less than a penny.  TOTAL!  Lol.  $0.00871

I am gonna leave my routing fees unreasonably low for as long as i can.  I do not want to even THINK about having to calculate taxes on this "income".

I am probably gonna sunset one of the nodes.  The one I made from scratch that was one of the first 200 nodes on the network.  It's running on a QNAP drive using a docker image for a BTC node and LND node that I cooked up myself.  Maintaining that has taken WAY more time than I am really willing to continue doing.  The only reason I have not shut it down is my pride...  Ah well.. whatever.  The little Raspiblitz node is MUCH easier to maintain anyway, and for some reason is getting much more traffic.
1983  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
I expect some steam to pick up into tomorrow.  Since we are in a holiday in the US some folks will be paying more attention to their grill than the chart, God bless 'em.  But I think we should see some volume and a break out of this triangle, and if to the upside then I think we might see a run at the top of our channel.

Downside is more obvious and boring.



More downside is more obvious because it's guaranteed.

Could we at least got a little science on that?  Maybe a source?
1984  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2021, 08:15:55 PM
I expect some steam to pick up into tomorrow.  Since we are in a holiday in the US some folks will be paying more attention to their grill than the chart, God bless 'em.  But I think we should see some volume and a break out of this triangle, and if to the upside then I think we might see a run at the top of our channel.

Downside is more obvious and boring.

1985  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2021, 07:52:12 PM
I just got back from seeing a friend. He's been in and out of Bitcoin since 2017 (lost money of course). Did the usual what about these shitcoins thing, which I dismissed as well as I could. Anyway he said he has been trying to withdraw as much equity from his home as he can for the last several weeks. Should get it in a week or 2. He then says he was going to buy bitcoin with it when it was in the 50s and now he's really glad that it fell because he's going to be able to buy much more.

He agreed with me that holding was the way, lessons from past sales learnt.

Foolish, I will say though that if you are in your 20's go for it lol... you can recover from losses in your early years and learn a lesson, not in your later years (50 +)

someone bought at $60k +, wonder how they are feeling right now

First of all, your reading comprehension skills seem to suck, Gatorelf - especially to believe that you are understanding the age of the bitcoin buyer because the word "50s" was used in the post... but hey, maybe that is just a minor point.

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Let me clarify your misunderstanding, I am speaking in general when someone takes the equity out of their home that's fine great to use for whatever is needed. I just think its foolish to put it all in a crypto currency. If the investor is 50 years old or older there is no fool like an old fool.   
First of all you can do a little better to learn to use the quote system... 

Secondly, I personally think you are coming off as a dick calling people "old fools".

Have you thought about the possibility that there are some folks here in the age group you are insulting who have possibly outmaneuvered you in their investments?
1986  Economy / Speculation / A Camera Obscura Through Which to View the Energy Use of the Bitcoin Network on: May 31, 2021, 04:19:13 PM
I present to you, my friends, A Monday Morning Long post after getting all coffeed up...


A Camera Obscura Through Which to View the Energy Use of the Bitcoin Network


“Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun... But mama, that's where the fun is” -  Bruce Springsteen (20th century philosopher)

Blinded by the Light

Remember in grade school making a little box with a pinhole to use to safely observe an eclipse?  Since I am too lazy to do the research, I can only imagine how the invention of the camera obscura came to be.  And I imagine it had to do with a lot of poor bastards going blind after staring into an eclipse.  Today fortunately, mothers all over the world instinctively pass down the wisdom of not looking directly at the sun in spite of that being “where the fun is”.  Yet, those early folks who went blind had no way to know that seeing this incredible sight would lead to such an unfortunate loss of perspective for them. And that’s just it:  Perspective.  To safely look at the sun, we need to observe it in a particular way.

I am reminded of this by the recent knee jerk reactions we are seeing with people and organizations looking directly into “the amount of power the bitcoin network uses” for the first time.  Recently Tesla has made headlines by dropping Bitcoin payments due to “climate change concerns” and Greenpeace USA has stopped accepting Bitcoin donations over “the carbon footprint of the cryptocurrency”.

I would propose the members of these two organizations have gone blind from looking directly, and without proper perspective, into the energy use of the Bitcoin Network.  We can only hope that this blindness is temporary.  But if not, then we should be grateful to them as we are to those poor blind bastards from history.  Their loss will pave the way for better understanding.  I hope to illuminate the reasons why here.  

Can’t Get Something for Nothing


There is no argument that Bitcoin does not use energy.  And the amount of energy it uses is growing.  The issue here is like so many others when trying to understand Bitcoin.  We are looking at something new.  And this is another aspect in which Bitcoin does something rarely done before.  In this case it removes nearly all the layers of obfuscation between energy expenditure and the creation and security of value.

There is no asset for which energy is not expended for its creation, delivery, and safekeeping. Gold must be mined, at GREAT expense. Then it is refined which uses tremendous heat.  And then it is cast into coins or bars.  At this point energy is expended in its transportation and even when it has come to rest in some vault great amounts of energy must be expended in protecting it.  In fact the more gold there is, the more energy must be expended to safeguard it.  

Ever Notice Mt. Gox Sounds Like Ft. Knox?

In Kentucky, USA there is a famous fortified vault called the United States Bullion Depository.  This vault holds more than half the United States’ gold as well as other valuable items.  It is more popularly known as “Fort Knox” which is actually the name of the military base next to this vault.  Of course, that is not an accident.  It requires the US military to guard the estimated 147 million ounces of gold held there.  At the time of this writing, that gold is worth more than a quarter of a TRILLION US dollars.  So how much energy has been expended in the mining, production, assaying, transportation, and constant security for this treasure?  Well, it is hard to say clearly.  The energy used in all this is abstracted from the asset itself.  There are layers upon layers of costs along the way.  Consider, for example, that some of this gold was acquired through war.  It is hard to see, when looking at a beautiful shiny coin the amount of energy it represents.  This energy use is abstracted away from us like the image of the sun through a camera obscura.

My Precious

I keep some valuable things of my own in a safe deposit box at my bank.  This box is guarded by several layers of security devices and methods as well as being somewhat resistant to fire, and disasters both natural and manmade.  Like a miniature “Fort Knox” an enormous amount of energy has gone into the creation of this tiny little “box”.  Concrete, rebar, and steel, all inside a larger vault made of even more of the same things, inside a reenforced building.  It would be very difficult to quantify the amount of energy that has gone into building all this, as well as maintaining it.

As I have said, the way the Bitcoin network is secured, like so many other ideas that enable this network of value is difficult to understand because it is novel. Bitcoin does not directly require any concrete, or rebar.  It does not require armies or governments.  It does not require digging up the Earth.  It’s transportation arguably requires the least amount of energy of any asset because it is entirely virtual.

And because Bitcoin is virtual, we can use energy DIRECTLY to create and secure it.  There is very little need to abstract this energy use into the physical world.  Instead of bulldozers and forges, concrete and rebar,  or tanks, and nuclear missiles it needs silicon devices, electricity and a network connection.  It is such a PURE idea that we can use energy DIRECTLY to create and secure the value on this network.

Imagine, if you can, what the energy being used on Fort Knox would look like if you could just stare directly into that pure energy.  Better get some sunglasses at least.  Take away all the abstractions which are like a sleight of hand that diffuse and conceal the energy used to create and maintain that famous vault.   Of course, this can only be done in the arena of ideas.  But I propose it would be a blindingly large amount of energy.

Friction Is Loss

Energy is lost when we try to store or transmit it.  Also it is lost when we use it to move or create physical things.  Bitcoin reduces friction in the most literal sense.  It can use the energy DIRECTLY thereby minimizing the loss that we see with ALL physical uses of energy.

It is obvious to me this idea is lost on those who are criticizing Bitcoin's energy use.  They have not yet realized that the shock they feel at the energy use of the network is created mostly by the way the network uses the energy directly.  Like staring directly into the Sun, they are being blinded by the purity of what they are seeing.  

Money is energy. #Bitcoin is the first crypto monetary energy network, capable of collecting all the world’s liquid energy, storing it over time without power loss, and channeling it across space with negligible impedance. - @michael_saylor on Twitter Nov 21, 2020

The fact that the Bitcoin network wastes almost no energy in abstractions, or in concealed uses, makes the energy it does use much more obvious.  Instead of reacting to this with shock and horror, we should be grateful for the technological leap that this network is allowing us.  I would guess we are potentially increasing the efficiency of energy use for a network of value by orders of magnitude with Bitcoin.

Bitcoin Fixes This

This reduction of friction alone makes the Bitcoin network extremely valuable, and we have not even begun to talk about how the near absence of friction in the design of this network will also revolutionize the global energy system. I will just touch on this breifly.  

Bitcoin will make building new renewable power possible in places it has not been feasible before.  The costs (energy, actually) in building a dam for example, are not worth it in many areas due to small demand. And populations around those places suffer because building a renewable power source for them would be more costly than the benefits.  Now investors can build renewable energy production and provide a new life for a region without as much risk.  They can offset their costs with bitcoin mining.

Another problem with renewables is they must exist with both inconsistent genesis (ie. no wind, cloudy days, a dry season) as well as fluctuations in demand.  Bitcoin mining can eliminate the second issue and make developing these resources worth it at lower margins.

Yet another issue bitcoin can solve for energy production is the problem of stranded energy, as well as wasted energy for example the byproduct of natural gas production at an oil well.  Energy used for storage and transmission of this gas would be greater than the energy it represents, so we simply flare (burn) it to reduce its harm on the environment. Currently it is just wasted.  Bitcoin can create portable demand for energy that would have no use otherwise.  What is better?  Burning excess natural gas to reduce it’s greenhouse impact?  Or burning excess natural gas to reduce it’s greenhouse impact AND mining Bitcoin.

Wrapping Up (like a deuce, another runner in the night?)


Bitcoin’s energy use is blindingly pure.  And the people who are reacting to this fact currently have not seen the whole picture yet.  Some of us have begun to see how Bitcoin uses energy in the most pure and efficient way possible to create a value network.  We must work to communicate this clearly to those who cannot yet see it.  Of course, Bitcoin is inevitable, and honey badger don’t care.  But it will benefit us all to help the blind to see, so to speak.  The sooner we do, the sooner we can get on with making the world a better place.

Today, the sun is rising on a new value network which uses energy in the most efficient way possible so far. This network reduces considerably, the amount of energy required for anything OTHER than the creation and security of its value.  And this network no longer requires very much in the physical realm at all, nor does it incentivize the horrors and machinery of war to produce or guard that value.

I would simply ask this:  

How much energy is that worth?
1987  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2021, 01:11:36 PM
Oh boy, I think I have a great "Saturday Long Post" about how badly we are understanding bitcoin's energy use in the cooker.

The "Saturday" part of these seems to be slipping...
1988  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 30, 2021, 09:17:45 PM

3. It's different this time

The most notable aspect of this idea is we never really see a crypto "winter" in the cycle.  But instead we see a volatile climb upward.  Personally I would expect to see recurring pullbacks of diminishing magnitude. Of course things do not tend to be this perfect but we could see a 60%, then 50, then 40 series of pullbacks all making higher highs and lower lows.  Obviously, this is in the somewhat unprecedented "It's going up forever Laura" category.  It breaks a lot of fundamental rules about asset prices.
This would be a "It's different this time" that makes MUCH less sense than the supercycle.



... this would be a version of the logistic curve, or S-curve of technological adoption, theory for final adoptive phase. All other prior adoption waves will be dwarfed by comparison, in the same way as each adoptive wave has dwarfed the previous on linear scale charts, but the ultimate level plateaus near to full-adoption.

Super Cycle and S-curve are versions of the the same ultimate trajectory it looks like to me.

Indeed, and it is an idea I have been promoting for quite a while, not that I invented it, or first applied it to BTC, but even under the current circumstances I continue to see it as a non trivial possibility.
1989  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 30, 2021, 05:59:06 PM
I have no idea what's happening, but this makes me happy! 

1990  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 29, 2021, 11:29:17 PM
Bloody bitcoin Sunday ahead?
https://youtu.be/1jJJofEj4c0

Lol.  "Sombering"

Very possible.  But man I hope he gets way out and sets up huge shorts and gets his ass handed to him...  sorry to say.
1991  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 29, 2021, 06:02:09 PM
It seems to me that the traders prematurely ejaculated dumped their bitcoins in the fear of the "certain" Sunday 20% dump. But in the Bitcoin world there are no certain things. If the bears fail to dump the price below 30K, the market will turn against them. I think that the last ATH is a fake top of this bull market, since the holders are not reacting the way bears hope. The long term hodlers are not disturbed and continue accumulating more cheap coins. The real top should be above 100K at least. The more it is delayed, the higher it will be. It may turn into a bull supercycle covering the next 1-2 halvings, with occasional 3-6 months fake bear periods. I don't see how 2018 will be repeated with the current ATH. Now everyone knows what Bitcoin is capable of, so apart from the imbecile trend followers, nobody with his sound mind will miss the chance to buy at the current prices or lower. Of course, for several weeks the big investors will wait for the dust to settle, but then they will return, leaving leverage shorters in dust and tears.
I agree with this.  The only worry for me is this seems like such an OBVIOUS headfake that I feel suspicious.

This price action has barely dented my thought that we are in for the "supercycle" or whatever you want to call "it's different this time"

I think there are three main schools of thought:

1. Bitcoin business as usual


A VERSION: We will see bitcoin perform as it has in past cycles.  A bull run after the halving, and then a crash into a "winter" period.  This crash could be 70-85% from ATHs. And it will last until the next halving.  Currently we are after the peak, which will have been early compared to previous runs, and are now entering the "winter" segment of the cycle.  We should expect BTC to find a bottom lower than this, but most likely higher than the previous ATH of 20k.

B VERSION:
Alternately we could be seeing just a larger than average correction currently somewhere in the middle of this bull, and price will recover after shaking enough people out and go on to higher highs somewhere between 100-300k most likely.

2. Teenager bitcoin acts like baby bitcoin did

This is a more extreme version of 1b.  The bull is not over but will take place in two distinct runs like the 2013 market did.  The first run is followed by a sharp selloff then a 3-6 month consolidation period. After this we get a push to the 100-300 levels as previously mentioned.

3. It's different this time

The most notable aspect of this idea is we never really see a crypto "winter" in the cycle.  But instead we see a volatile climb upward.  Personally I would expect to see recurring pullbacks of diminishing magnitude. Of course things do not tend to be this perfect but we could see a 60%, then 50, then 40 series of pullbacks all making higher highs and lower lows.  Obviously, this is in the somewhat unprecedented "It's going up forever Laura" category.  It breaks a lot of fundamental rules about asset prices.

One reason I think the last scenario is possible is we are talking about a never seen before asset class.  It is actually designed to act this way.  And now that enough people know about it it is going to be hard for sustained low prices to exist.  We are talking about the yardstick by which the world measures value.  In the end, as all the old school econ doofuses are saying, it just does not make sense for it to keep exploding and then losing huge amounts of value forever. Or "BTC cannot be a reliable store of value as volatile as it is"

But a pure, pristine, 100% limited, math based asset like bitcoin is not like anything the world has ever seen before, therefore a chart that does not act like assets of the past is also a distinct possibility.

I will not lie.  I am HOPING for #3. 

1A would crush the most souls though.

But really... does 1A make any sense at ALL in this world right now?  Do we really think the whole world gets a 3rd or 4th chance like this?  One great argument AGAINST 1A is even just a 70% crash from ATH brings us to <= the last cycle high.  This would be a "It's different this time" that makes MUCH less sense than the supercycle.
1992  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: A member LIST .. What do we speculate the price will be this summer JOIN IN on: May 28, 2021, 03:07:41 PM

Gosh.  I wonder what the chances of that are... if only I can get so lucky in the contest!
Your price prediction seems accurate to me! Only slightly less than mine, tough...
Believe me when I say I would be happy to lose to you!

Same.  It's one of those problems we would want to have.
1993  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2021, 08:35:18 PM
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1397843883380326400?s=21

Quote
#bitcoin has no top because fiat has no bottom

Let that sink in  Grin

Bitcoin is a perfectly finite yardstick designed to measure a potentially infinite thing.

If we need "more" of it for our needs instead of making more we just divide it into smaller units.

When people understand this it might be broken by the stampede.
1994  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2021, 05:27:12 PM
I just want to say that this has most certainly been my fav alt season so far.
1995  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: May 27, 2021, 04:08:35 PM
Best answer:

https://twitter.com/torusJKL/status/1397499934950187013

Yes - only a FULL node can be called really FULL, if it does the FULL job - means: write data into the blockchain and FILL it with data


Funny, why so hard to get...

You are being drawn in and fooled by hand waving semantics. 

Satoshi did not foresee the rise of ASICs.

But "validating nodes" were the response of the MARKET to combat the centralization caused by ASIC mining.  If consensus did not DISCONNECT itself from mining then the Bitcoin Network would have already centralized, and consensus, and validity of all the transactions would be in the hands of a smaller and smaller group, and eventually they would be able to rewrite the rules to suit their own desires.  This is EXACTLY what CSW is trying to do! You do realize that CSW is trying to get the COURTS to order the developers to rewrite the code of Bitcoin to release the Satoshi Blocks to him, don't you?

The only reason this has not yet happened with BCH and BSV is nobody really uses them.

Watch Ethereum, the legacy big blocker chain with actual use.  They are centralizing more and more.  Changing the rules along the way.  And destroying all credibility as they go.

I write this not because I believe you can be saved.  You are either part of the deception, or too dumb to understand what is really happening. 

I write it for the ONE PERSON who might read this and finally say AH HA!  And stay the fuck away from the scams that these projects ultimately are.

Changing the rules AFTER the system and coins are sold to the masses is the biggest scam ever

no matter what else tech bubble here and there


the rules did say: a miner is a full node, cause does the FULL job

and yes, Satoshi did mentioned data centers

- but that does not mean P2P eCash works no longer without any centre / middle men, that centre is only getting into P2P with high fees

btc / eth just the scam of the space with all that. Changing rules and high fees

Hopefully sensible people can see this user is either a shill or an idiot.  No rules were changed.  ASICS emerged and the market adjusted to continue the path for the most robust security for bitcoin possible by users running validating nodes en masse. This way even though mining may centralize slightly (even this is not that bad in BTC) consensus will remain very well distributed.  This is obviously in the spirit of what Satoshi originally designed.  I will no longer argue with this shill/idiot.
1996  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2021, 03:17:41 PM
The brrrrrrrr machine is just warming up it appears..thats trillion with a capital T folks.
#dyor
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/555670-biden-to-propose-6t-budget

The US had a really good run.  Pax Americana was a fairly decent era.  As far as hegemonies go the US was a net positive, I'd say.  I am not sure I look forward to the new world leader as being as positive a force.
1997  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2021, 03:14:38 PM
Coingeek Conference...

Calvin Ayre owns this shit. Isn't it obvious who the speakers would be?

It's a non-event. The party afterwards could be interesting though. Must be lots of pretty girls there, probably of the barely-legal variety, given Ayre's preference for young things.

Yeah.  It's just sad to see how far Taleb has fallen from reality.
1998  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2021, 01:33:54 PM
U.S. billionaire and one-time cryptocurrency skeptic Carl Icahn is contemplating a potential $1.5 billion investment in digital currencies.
https://twitter.com/CoinDesk/status/1397820256463298560
https://www.coindesk.com/carl-icahn-bitcoin-crypto-big-way

Carl is being hit by the fomo it seems and buy at 40k, smart investor move  wow or is it just another news (contemplating lol) to boost the price because the skeptic bought at 4k

Anyway he will invest in doge i'm sure  Cheesy

Thing is... no way a dude like this is going to go.. Looks I might just drop 1.5B on Bitcoin, and then do it.  His bags are probably already locked in.
1999  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 27, 2021, 01:20:45 PM
This might be the saddest thing of the day.

I suppose everyone has a price?

2000  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: May 26, 2021, 07:07:47 PM
Best answer:

https://twitter.com/torusJKL/status/1397499934950187013

Yes - only a FULL node can be called really FULL, if it does the FULL job - means: write data into the blockchain and FILL it with data


Funny, why so hard to get...

You are being drawn in and fooled by hand waving semantics. 

Satoshi did not foresee the rise of ASICs.

But "validating nodes" were the response of the MARKET to combat the centralization caused by ASIC mining.  If consensus did not DISCONNECT itself from mining then the Bitcoin Network would have already centralized, and consensus, and validity of all the transactions would be in the hands of a smaller and smaller group, and eventually they would be able to rewrite the rules to suit their own desires.  This is EXACTLY what CSW is trying to do! You do realize that CSW is trying to get the COURTS to order the developers to rewrite the code of Bitcoin to release the Satoshi Blocks to him, don't you?

The only reason this has not yet happened with BCH and BSV is nobody really uses them.

Watch Ethereum, the legacy big blocker chain with actual use.  They are centralizing more and more.  Changing the rules along the way.  And destroying all credibility as they go.

I write this not because I believe you can be saved.  You are either part of the deception, or too dumb to understand what is really happening. 

I write it for the ONE PERSON who might read this and finally say AH HA!  And stay the fuck away from the scams that these projects ultimately are.
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