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201  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: March 19, 2024, 05:26:40 PM
Hopefully this can happen so that Real Madrid can get a little smoother in getting to the Champions League final this season, but Real Madrid must also be aware that Manchester City is still quite strong this season. So Real Madrid must be able to use all their abilities in the quarter-final match in order to get rid of the defending champions, because on the one hand Manchester City also know that Real Madrid will probably respond to them in the quarter-final match in order to advance to the final.
While now, we are heading for the quarterfinals of this season now I am feeling all teams will be gone with their full strength and never try to underestimate their opponent because from here any mistake of miss judgement can bring them down which could be worse currently both teams are at the same level even Manchester City is looking stronger on papers due to their strength, but Real Madrid is also giving his best and despite having few injuries they are giving their best in all competitions which is impressive.

Even nothing is predictable and there is no guaranteed about any team's win in final as well, but this is going to be one of the best encounter in this season mostly fans are expecting Manchester City is favourite and also able to win, but things could be not easy for any team as this is wide open game for the both sides.
I do agree that there is no weak team or strong team at this level. When you are at quarter finals, all teams deserved to be there, and yes normally there could be some smaller teams here, but this time there aren't any neither, the lowest ranked team is Dortmund, which should tell you how strong this quarter finals line up of teams are.

I believe that it is going to be very fun to watch them all, every team has someone their strength to battle it out and I think that means a lot of games to watch and have fun. I will definitely be live watching City Vs Madrid game because that is by far the best match up of the season so far and I believe that we are going to end up with something much better eventually if given enough chance.
202  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin might reach $100k before halviing. What is your exit strategy? on: March 19, 2024, 03:14:24 PM
I have no exit strategy, life is my exit strategy to be fair. Why? Well simply because I am talking about a situation where I would need to just focus on what kind of money I have and what I need, and if I need the money at that moment then I cash out, if I do not need it then I will keep until I have enough money (200k dollars) to retire. This is just that simple, there is nothing wrong with waiting and not having a plan.

Most long term holders like me do not have a plan for it, we are dealing with something that will take some time but we are not doing anything crazy at the moment. We should just focus on what to do and hopefully we will do something much better by just holding and making a bigger profit from it.
203  Economy / Speculation / Re: Road to 100k? on: March 19, 2024, 03:19:55 AM
It is true that it is difficult to predict the price of BTC, but it is not right to comment, that many people may panic in this price drop. There is some volatility before and after halving but this is normal. In this case you can keep buying the DIP but it will not better decisions to sell.
If you want to cover your loss, you can invest BTC by using DCA into weekly or monthly basis.
If there are still some people who create barriers for themselves through the panic that arises in their minds about buying Bitcoin. Maybe some people don't see how happy the people who bought Bitcoin on the Dip were at the beginning of last year until now, so these people are still haunted by panic. Meanwhile, people who have experienced greater profits through Bitcoin will never feel panicked again and will even continue to take advantage of every dip when they want to buy Bitcoin.
I just can't see why there would be any doubt about bitcoin at this point, that always makes me a little surprised. I mean we have seen it prove it time and time after again, that it does very well and doesn't do all that badly, so why would we worry about anything?

I think we should consider that it is going to be quite well enough and not going to cause a lot of trouble, so instead of doubting bitcoin, I just look at it historically and see that it recovers all the time and it would again this time too, that's simple. So if you still have doubts, that's your own thing and you have the right to doubt it, but I will never doubt it and I will let it be as long as possible, it's just that much of a simple thing for me.
204  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 18, 2024, 02:04:52 PM
The Seria A matches have become complicated because everyone keen on winning three points and they've forgotten the standards of football and how it's been apply. Inter Milan will win the the scudetto this season, they're the first on the table and I know Simeone Inzaghi, he won't relent whenever he has envisioned for major title this season. Inter Milan will be doing their most calculative games because it's been a long way on the top.
The points margin is quite broad because Inter Milan did not hesitate to win when it was their chance. This is the second time Napoli has failed to win Inter Milan this season. Watching them attentively, I see them falling short this season; they have failed to match their outstanding performance since Luciano Spalleti left the club last season. This has been difficult for them to comprehend. Aurelio De Laurentiis has been actively working in every field in order to enhance functions, but nothing appears to be working. Inter Milan is still in terrific shape this season; they didn't relent but instead focused on the main aim.
I would guess that it is more about the fact that teams all taken a place, like it is not too obvious who will be which position aside from the first place, but Inter keeps winning anyway. Normally at around these times, most teams already establish their positions and that's why we may see less competitive playing, but these days from second place to 7th place everyone has a reason to play and win so that they would be at least one position up or at least keep their position.

This of course resulted with everyone playing with 10% full to win and of course this made it so much more fun for all of us. I understand that it may feel like it is not a big deal, but to have competitive football by 7+ teams in a league at April is a great feeling.
205  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Let's talk about SOL resilience for recent market correction on: March 17, 2024, 06:33:24 PM
I find it really interesting that recent BTC flash crash (or dip/correction if you rather call it that) that just happened crashed nearly all the altcoins with it, except SOL and JUP (sol based swap). While they dipped as well, it was nothing compared to rest of the market.

It could fall later for sure, but i doubt it will crash as hard because i can't recall seeing anything like this during bullmarket corrections and this could attract other investors that have been overlooked SOL until now.

Reason for this dump was supposedly the fact that someone moved 4637 btc to binance, and even without selling them, it would cause some people start selling.

I would imagine other people have been wondering this too, so what's your theory for SOL? Other then it's a best coin ever or something like that.
This doesn't mean anything perse, doesn't mean it s not saying anything neither, I am just saying we can't make a decision based on just one week. Yes, it is true that the market hasn't been kind since reaching above 70k, but at the same time SOL has been doing one of the best runs in the past one week, definitely highest among the top ranked coins for sure, it's just doing great. Does this mean that SOL will keep being awesome? Maybe, it could mean that and I can't say it won't.

But, does it guarantee that SOL will do fine? No it does not, it could still do terrible and we do not know how it will react. Maybe it will get a correction right when other coins start to go up, we do not know and anything could happen with this for sure.
206  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: March 17, 2024, 04:55:02 PM
Arsenal performance and team quality at this stage of the Champions League can defeat any team including Real Madrid and Manchester City if we judge based on the performance all teams displayed from the beginning of the competition till this stage, but people are considering past glories to predict the incoming outcome which will not work this time because the quality in Bayern Munich’s team that time is not the same as today.
Remember, plenty times Bayern Munich eliminated Arsenal with aggregate during Arsene Wenger, but now that there is no aggregate, we shall see what will happen.

Arteta has coached his team with a lot of changes and maturity, together with solid defense which has brought them so far in the Champions League and to the top of the Premier League, I know that Bayern Munich coach and players are not too comfortable with the the fixture because they know Arsenal’s quality this season is quite different from their pet team and the team mentality is entirely different.

I cannot judge as some of you guys so quickly, but Arsenal can go to the finals in my own opinion.
I agree, at this stage I wouldn't be shocked if any team beat any team, it would not be a shocker. I agree that Dortmund could be weakest team but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up with a result like that, we should probably see all other teams doing fine. I hope that we could probably consider this when we are betting and it should be normal and not really have any situations changing, we should probably do something that I could consider to be doing fine and normal as well.

I think it would not be all that confusing, and it should probably not be something very fun when betting if we bet small amounts. I will end up doing something that will do fine, it is not going to be all that much of a big deal when the time comes.
207  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: March 17, 2024, 03:58:32 PM
If you always bet on Real Madrid then why you only follow La Liga, Real Madrid not only perform in La Liga but they also perform well in Champions League. You can bet on La Liga as well as Champions League for Real Madrid. Not only Real Madrid but there are several other favorite teams in English Premier League or Champions League or European League to bet on which the results are more likely to go in your favor if you bet on them. We have to follow those teams and try to place our bets following those teams. But if you think that there is a possibility of losing in a match, then you don't need to take risk in that match. You should bet on the favorite team in the match that you are sure of. If you can bet in this manner then the results will definitely be in your favor.
I do not really like to bet on a team to win every game, I always get worried that they will start losing after a while, not in a sense that they will lose every single game, I mean like they are going to end up with a few losses here and there. I think it's quite important and could be done in a way that it may not be all that complicated for people. I think it's clear that we are going to end up with a lot better results eventually.

I hope that people could see that things will not be easy for Real at times and considering you are not going to end up with a result that would be all that easy, if you bet on 1.10 to 1.40 odds to win and then lose out, it will not be all that great feeling plus even a draw means a loss for us.
208  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC power on: March 16, 2024, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: mk4
You get rewarded by making smart ideas, not necessarily by working the hardest. Holding BTC or literally any asset to make money isn't really anything new. Even way back before when BTC didn't exist yet, people held good stocks and made money by "doing nothing"(though the research required time and effort) as well.
Like those users who are in the signature campaign over some years to make a huge amount of money and, it can help them to fulfill their plan to become a great person in the future if they can continue working to add to the ones they have received as a payment in the signature campaign and hodl it for long to receive a good reward that will eliminate Poverty and to open the eyes of the person to see the power of BTC.

Now that people know how to research what will happen in the future like the way people discovered that BTC will be the king among other cryptocurrencies and it came to pass.
I know a lot of people and me included, that end up saving these signature income, some spend it because they really need it but it is not my job, not my work, and it's just added stuff. Imagine working from 2020 to 2024 and collecting about 50 dollars a week on average, that would mean that you would be saving so much money, over 8 thousand dollars just invested, and then some more later on as well.

I think that would make someone richer just by proxy, think about price of bitcoin going higher during that period as well, that would make things a lot better too. So, you would get rich just from this, and nothing more. You wouldn't even need to invest into bitcoin, you just do not take the cash out from the signature earnings.
209  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: March 16, 2024, 05:56:23 PM
The first leg and second leg are still very long away but let's talk about the possibility that several Real Madrid players will miss the quarter-final against Manchester City. As is known, the four important Real Madrid players currently, namely Bellingham, Vinicius, Tchouameni and Camavinga, already have one yellow card and if later in the first leg one or even more players get another yellow card then they will have to miss the second leg when they visit Etihad Stadium.

I am very sure that in this big match full of heated intensity there will definitely be players who will get yellow cards and I think these players must be more alert to the violations they will commit later. Manchester City will certainly be very happy to see this data and as much as possible they will play solidly, making the Real Madrid players feel frustrated. Emotions and feelings of unease can sometimes lead to undesirable things and usually when the opposing team attacks, try as much as possible not to commit serious offenses.

The first leg will take place at the Santiago Bernabeu and it looks like Real Madrid will not be at an advantage because the second leg will have to be played at Manchester City's home ground. We know that Real Madrid's typical comeback is and this is clearly quite detrimental. The only way to ensure that Real Madrid qualify for sure is to beat Manchester City in the first leg and not let them draw again.
If I know guardiola well enough, I am sure that he will try to force these players to get a card. You can't "make" someone get a yellow card, but you can annoy them and play towards them and try to make them make a tackle. This could mean that you lose possession which Guardiola doesn't like, but it also means that if they are given the chance to get the ball, the yare also given the chance to get a yellow card. If even two of them does, then it 's a big benefit for the second leg.

All in all, KDB will be the most important part, he has a minor groin injury, nothing too serious, but it is not known if he could be rested or not, if he does then it will all mean something in the end and should be important profit for all of them.
210  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 16, 2024, 12:59:32 PM
The lads been cleared completely off the case, his past don't mean he'll have a bad future I don't know why people still look at Mason Greenwood same way, infact this behavior has generated more from Manchester United fans than any other club. Mason Greenwood is a great lad and you can see that if you've followed Getefe closely this season. He dribbles like he has never left football for years, attacks defends, shoot and score like his just being promoted to a higher level. I love his mentality after all these years of traumatic experience.

I'd even like Paris Saint Germans to make a bold move for him, he would be the right man to replace Kylian Mbappe, he might not be as pacy as the french man but definitely, you can count on him for scoring goals.

Saddens me to see that, Manchester United are no longer ready to see him returning. He would have been a great combination with Kobbie Mainoo, Rasmus Hojlund, and lastly Garnacho leading the pack next season. He is a good lad, it's enough reason why Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are simply after him.
To be fair we are talking about a player who would come with a lot of rumours and troubles. Doesn't mean that they are true, even when someone gets cleared of this, there is this stigma of a player when they play a ta big club, and even though he gets a clean result, he will still be "disliked" by some people, or even if they don't, people who hate United, will just use it as a scapegoat to attack them, that's just it.

This is why I believe that nothing will change and we should be considering the situation as normal. I believe that we are going to end up with a situation that would not be all that easy, and we need to just consider Greenwoods career will not go that high. Good news is, he is still playing and making millions.
211  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: March 16, 2024, 10:42:32 AM
Celtics are definitely looking like a great team, there is no doubt about that and in fact I think they are showing that Ime Udoka wasn't the reason why they won so much, it's clear that they are doing fine without him too. But this is the regular season, the point is that teams could do well at regular season and not so well during playoffs, or the teams could do terrible at regular season and barely got it working, that is just how it has been all the time.

I feel like it is going to be a bit of trouble for Celtics and should not be all that easy, we could end up seeing them not do that well at playoffs. I am not saying they will, I am just saying that it is one of the possibilities that they should be careful about anyway.
212  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What should newbies do in trading? on: March 15, 2024, 04:28:53 PM
And this is why you are advised to do demo trading before starting trading. Greed and emotions are very important in trading, those who can gain experience in controlling these things can do well in trading, and for that demo trading is very important to understand the market.
While there really is no emotion using demo trading, it's advisable for those that are trying to test some strategies. When you're not yet sure if your trading skills are going to be worth it, it's best to try and get into demo trading first doing some back test before you wholly commit with your actual plan and money that's ready to get into it. But if you're brave enough ready to lose with your potential capital, you can skip that part as long as you are trading with an amount that you afford to lose.
I think that is the point of trading at demo accounts, you do not accept any success there as something awesome but you do at least accept failure there as terrible. When you are trying a new strategy at a demo place, you see if it will do good or bad, the point here is that if it does good you still need to test it with small amounts at real trading but if you do terrible at demo then you do not even try it at the real thing at all.

This usually works pretty well, because so far whenever I tried something at demo and failed, and if I insisted and tried at real trading then I usually fail there too. So, you are not using demo to find good stuff, you are trying demo to weed out the bad ideas and 90%+ of the time this system works very well.
213  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ on: March 15, 2024, 05:46:54 AM
I personally think Juventus really doesn't have a strong squad who could fight for title for such a long period. Sure , they will be able to catch top 4 ( with a bit of luck ) and catch another chance to play UCL next year , but then again , I don't see them having any importance performance in UCL with current squad they have.

Inter on the other hand , are having a great squad who showed us they can reach UCL finals like last year but also this year where they just got eliminated by ATL.Madrid but overall , no one can stop Inter from winning Scudetto this year but also next year as well.  Grin
Squad depth is definitely important, but they weren't playing in many cups, so it felt like they could maybe do it. A bit of unlucky injuries and such caused some troubles for them, which resulted with them losing a lot of games. Obviously this also had a benefit of finding out some new good young players that they were forced to use, but that means those young players wouldn't get the time otherwise, so it benefited them too. I think next season they will care more about depth, plus they will be in UCL as well.

Also, I would like to point out that while Juventus had some troubles, Inter was insanely good during this period as well, yes Juventus didn't win many, but Inter didn't lose at all, that's just way too good from them.
214  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: March 15, 2024, 04:38:33 AM
People say they have a chance in the Champions League, do you still think that way for Bayern Munich? Thomas Tuchel has been dominating the League until they got him sacked.
He'll have to make sure and good use of the chances he get so he could equal and match
I'm not thinking the same with those people I'm afraid.  Sad  Because we don't see the same old Bayern Munich at least for now. One can show their huge Mainz win recently as an example to me maybe but it would be so wrong to believe in them only depending on their performance in one game. They have had many inconsistencies so far.

These problems could have resulted in even worse for them. For example the number of point losses would have been much higher. While they are certain to part ways with Tuchel as well it is hard to trust Bayern Munich to even reach the finale of the Champions League.
I would guess that Bayern may not be who they used to be, but they are not "bad" neither, they are still second and I think it's just one season. We will see how they will be next season, I bet that they are going to be pretty good next season and will keep on winning. I understand that it feels like sometimes it is not that great and all, but to me it feels like it's quite large and quite amazing.

The thing about the current situation is that we should be focusing on how to improve our betting based on the "new" Bayern and usually people fail there. Like if you bet them to win, they may end up losing at any given game, we do not know when they will win and when they will lose. One day you look at they won 4-0, and one day you look and they lose to third division team.
215  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 14, 2024, 04:52:56 AM
I've been highlighting this Sporting Lisbon striker for quite some time because when I bet on Sporting Lisbon winning each match, Viktor Gyökeres' name is always on the goal scorer list. Now Arsenal intend to make Viktor Gyökeres their main target in the summer and I think he really deserves a bigger stage. How could it not be that this Swedish striker has collected 19 goals and 9 assists in 23 appearances with Sporting Lisbon and it is certain that the number will continue to increase.

As a striker, Viktor Gyökeres is a very productive player and I believe he is the striker that Mikel Arteta has been waiting for for so long. He is 25 years old and the EPL is a good place for a striker as sharp as him. But the problem is that when Sporting Lisbon heard that an EPL team was interested in bidding for him, they immediately increased his release clause to 85 million euros and I think that's a huge amount of money. But as long as Arsenal have the strength to bring him in, I don't think it's a problem.
I do agree that he would be a good player, but they also have Jesus don't they? How would that work? Either they are going to bench the new transfer, or they are going to bench Jesus and both seems like not a great idea if you ask me. Jesus is a great player and yes he is injured right now but next season he will be back and he is a great player that can contribute so much.

The problem with having two great players in the same position that if one of them gets injured or booked or tired then you can play the other but when they are not and they are both fit, then what are you going to do? This is why they need to figure that one out before they go hire another striker, it would not be a smart decision otherwise, would cause so much trouble.
216  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: March 13, 2024, 05:49:42 PM
Liverpool won the away match against Sparta Prague by a huge margin of 5-1. Sparta Prague did not perform well at home. The team was badly defeated. I thought Liverpool would win by maybe 1 or 2 goals. But Liverpool won by 4 goals. And after winning by such a big margin, the Liverpool team has undoubtedly secured the ticket to the next round. I don't think it is possible that Sparta Prague will defeat an experienced team like Liverpool by 5 goals in the second leg. Liverpool's defense is very strong this season. Breaking this team's defense is very difficult for any experienced team.
Liverpool was already a much better team anyway, it doesn't really feel like it would have been any other way. I did expected them to score a lot because they got the first game so Sparta had to attack, they couldn't play a defensive game since they needed a win to go up, and that meant their defense would be lacking and Liverpool is just way too good to let that slide, which meant that attackers of Liverpool would find good chances to score, which they did and that makes sense.

I feel like it's just only natural that they would have something like this, it's the type of game that first leg caused. Also the level difference between the two clubs is huge, they are not even remotely close to each other and that makes sense.
217  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading Or Investing which one is better to focus on right now? on: March 13, 2024, 06:43:35 AM
What do you mean by trading and investing, those could be both in aspects of having a risk, in trading you can do spot trading or investing which common concept of buying low and selling high, or you can do futures trading which you watch the market price movement so you can trade. It depends on you if you have time you can watch the market every day and try to make a profit with its volatility, or if you don't have you can do just spot trading make a DCA or accumulate as much possible like this coming event of halving people grabbing the opportunity to earn money with the upcoming all-time high.
I do agree that it is something that will take a while, and it shouldn't really be all that confusing to many people, I feel like that should always be something that would be a little different. I hope to see some changes here and there, which would mean that we are going to end up with a lot of trouble if we are not careful.

I believe that we are going to end up with profit either way if we know what we are doing. And yet, if we do not know what we are doing both could be horrible for us, so when we are picking, it is not about this or that, it's about what type of thing could we do, if we can trade better then we should trade and if we invest better we should invest. Get to know yourself and what kind of person you are.
218  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: March 13, 2024, 05:28:23 AM
But at the same time there is intense competition from other, more popular clubs when a coach and a team like Girona does incredibly well. We will see a similar a problem occurring for Bayer Leverkusen. The talk is all over the place about Xabi Alonso's next coaching position and I don't even want to know how many players will leave the club by the end of the season. Money could solve some of the problems, but Bayer Leverkusen would never be able to convince the majority of the players and certainly not Xabi Alonso to stay there when there are offers from world clubs like Liverpool.
For Alonso, what is being actively discussed now is a possible transfer to Liverpool or Bayern, and according to the latest news, Alonso is leaning more towards Bayern. Most likely, he can take several leaders with him and you are right, with his departure, some players may also want to change the club. For Bayer and Alonso, now is a golden time, as long as he is doing well, he can choose the best option for himself.
I agree that Xabi will be wanted a lot, but I still warn all these big clubs to be careful anyway. Yes, Xabi is a great manager so far, but he hasn't been a great manager for way too long, he hasn't been even a manager for too long, he has been good for just a while.

This means that if you give him so much responsibility with such a huge club. I get that Bayern would make sense, and yet we need to remember that he is not really that long on his journey and Bayern seems to be bad this season, so he would be required to take over this summer, if he wants to make some moves then make some moves, and suddenly take Bayern back to top again, what if he fails? It's a possibility and he might fail, that's why we need to let him make some mistakes.
219  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: March 12, 2024, 04:35:22 PM
I was out for a couple of days, didn't watch any game, but when I look at the final score and see this in social media?

Damn, TJD is really specially, another great catch by the Warriors and the more that they give him time, the more he is getting better. But we should give credit to Wemby as well, he is not afraid to be posterized. He will go and chase for that block whoever it is. Warriors needed this big win, to stay close with the Lakers at 10th position and at least a play-in chance.
He was posterized few times but this guy is leading in blocks and making history. Although people loved that but Wemby is still has to be respected with his achievement. I think even great players are also posterized, don't know but I think Lebron and has been posterized too once in his life, even AD I guess.

Anyway, the Warriors won this game and they were able to avenge their loss, now their ranking is at solid number 10, but I don't want them to end in 10, maybe improve a bit so their chance in the playoffs will increase.
That is exactly what makes things so entertaining when he gets posterized as well. I mean if you posterize someone like lets say Kevin Love, specially at this age, when he literally has grays in his hair, and was never a great blocker or anything, then would that made any news? Of course not, that's normal and you could posterize him and just move on, that would be just an ordinary possession and nobody would even think about it twice.

But, if you posterize a 7'5 centre who has been leading the league in blocking at his rookie season, which is something I can't think when was the last time a rookie did that, then it is a lot better for the views, it only makes the news when you posterize someone like that. That's actually good for Wemby, shows that he is actually not thought as someone who can be posterized, so people make it a news when it happens.
220  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: March 12, 2024, 04:15:51 PM
All these days Chelsea is trying to improve their performance, and I think it is already too late for them to catch up, even in the third position for this season. To be honest, I like the way Chelsea plays all their matches against every team because they are a weak team, but it is difficult to understand their performance against tough teams. If this is how they make their performance very strong right from the beginning, I think by now they will be in the first or second position in the table.

Chelsea lacks of consistency this season, and it will be very hard for them to end this season with even 5th positions because they are not maintaining their consistency well. They were even lucky in that match yesterday; if not, Newcastle could've equalized all their goals back due to how they improved their performance in the second half. As it stands now, Chelsea manages the 11th position in the Premier League table.
I understand that they are "trying" but they are 11th and this has been first win in 3 games, and second in 5. They are still 11th in the league as well and doing quite terrible, there is no excuse that a team this good, a team that is this rich, should be at 11th place, it should be at least fighting for a spot in the UCL. I get that you may fail that, because the first three positions already occupied by amazing teams, but fourth position is available and you would fight with other teams.

Lowest I can accept would be sixth, still not good but at least that is not humiliating for them. At this point, 11th is so bad that even players wouldn't want to be there, hell even managers wouldn't want to be hired by Chelsea as well.
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