Bitcoin Forum
May 23, 2024, 11:48:50 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 [11] 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 »
201  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-08-14] Turkish Bitcoin Volume Soars as Traders Flee the Lira on: August 19, 2018, 07:04:17 AM
I am dumping my Liras for BTC every month since March. I am pretty confident with the results so far. I know BTC can and will recover against USD because no country is depended on BTC while making exports.

That's the main problem with FIAT currencies. Turkish Lira has no choice but to go lower and lower against USD and anything else just like USD has to go lower in value against Gold, Bitcoin and other similar stuff with limited supply.

Turkey has to compete with the other manufacturers and the best way to do it (other than raising the quality of your product which makes no sense after you hit a certain point because the returns are too low compared to the effort you spend) is giving it away cheaper than its competitors. China has been doing this for years that's why Trump is so mad at them.

That's why as soon as Lira crashed Trump raised tariffs on steel coming from Turkey. They don't want to get drowned in cheap Turkish steel.

BTC has none of these problems. None. It may very well reach One fucking million dollars in the future.

Bitcoin has fallen nearly 20k to 6k in a matter of months. It's far from a foolproof strategy and is just as risky if not more risky that holding a falling fiat. I'm a believer it bitcoin don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket as they say.

Trade volume on domestic exchange Btcturk is up 350% in the last 24 hours, with BTC capturing 38% of the action.

And as usual the devil in the details....



So they flee from a fiat currency that is turning worthless to a cryptocurrency that will turn worthless...
Can somebody explain why the hell are they doing buying ripple?

Anyhow, it might be a 350% increase but it's still only 7 million in volume, compared to the size of the country it's peanuts, I hope they are buying on other exchanges in much larger volumes.



Maybe because it's cheap? I find that many users are constantly looking for the next best thing and coin where they hope they'll make huge gains. They don't usually do their research though and those who are going to get rich off ripple will have already done so.
202  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 🔥⚽🏆 Cloudbet's EPL Predictor Competition - Free Entry - Win BTC or BCH! 🏆⚽🔥 on: August 18, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
Chelsea v Arsenal - 2-0
Leicester v Wolves - 1-1
West Ham v Bournemouth 1-1
Cardiff v Newcastle 0-0

Gunning for the top spot  Cheesy.

Well I got one correct score at least.
203  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] 🔥IOU Signature Campaign | Member - Hero | 0.0007 BTC /Post 🔥 on: August 18, 2018, 06:23:57 PM
Can I take a Hero spot?
Apply to find out!

Thanks to everyone else for the kind feedback and let's have a great week 2 as well!

I don't yet have a telegram nick so just wanted to see if I'd be accepted first, but I will create one if accepted. Will also change avatar.

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=220995
Post Count: 782
Merit Count: 525
BTC Address: 12djVqLFA62a6bMBBDPzxuwF8x8bRhxS2x
Telegram Username: tba

Thanks

204  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: August 17, 2018, 04:26:10 PM
Arsenal against Chelsea this week will be the game of the week. I think that Arsenal will have the upper hand here and will beat Chelsea this time. Chelsea was not convincing in the game against Huddersfield in the first week and Arsenal had to play against the Champions in the first week. In the worse case I think this game might end on draw so draw no bet for Arsenal is my favourite bet for this game.

I wouldn't back them away, but I didn't watch either Chelsea or Arsenal's first games so I can't comment on their performances.

There is no valid "away" here as both teams are from London, at maximum they will play a few km-s away from their home stadium so the feeling of away is void here. It is the atmosphere of a derby though which cannot be trusted to bet on a single team as a derby can have 3 results in, even when teams of big gap quality play together , not teams like Chelsea and Arsenal which have a similar quality.

Yes there is. That's not how it works. It doesn't matter even if they're playing next door. They're different pitches that the away team is not used to playing on and with a stronger home crowd. Playing at the other end of the country isn't another climate either so it doesn't matter how far the stadium is.
205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Without ETF on: August 17, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
Bitcoin reached 20k last year without an ETF.  All this hype and talk about the ETF is so overblown, cryptocurency doesn't need it , we are backed by the people.

But then it collapsed due to nothing, and it likely only kept rising due to manipulation, or at the very least all the FOMO from new investors.The market is fickle, but the ETF will at least temporarily cause some excitement and a flurry of new money coming in and that's what we could do with right now even if it's only short lived.
206  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: August 17, 2018, 01:07:18 PM
Arsenal against Chelsea this week will be the game of the week. I think that Arsenal will have the upper hand here and will beat Chelsea this time. Chelsea was not convincing in the game against Huddersfield in the first week and Arsenal had to play against the Champions in the first week. In the worse case I think this game might end on draw so draw no bet for Arsenal is my favourite bet for this game.

I wouldn't back them away, but I didn't watch either Chelsea or Arsenal's first games so I can't comment on their performances.
207  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: August 17, 2018, 11:34:37 AM
I'm going to try my luck once again this week with betting on the over 2.5 goals as there are a few games that should produce this result. Crystal Palace v Liverpool is likely along with the Manchester City v Huddersfield Town, Tottenham v Fulham and  Chelsea v Arsenal which is the one I'm a bit worried about but hopefully there will be goals scored. I'm also going to take all these in a parlay bet.

What odds do you get? Maybe leave Chelsea out of it or just back them to win. I've put money on Spurs Everton and Leicester. Was thinking about doing a five fold on Chelsea Burnley Liverpool Man City & United, but I might wait to see if my threefold comes in first.
208  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: August 16, 2018, 04:15:29 PM
I was just looking at this weeks fixtures and there doesn't seem to be a single game that interests me or I can see it being exciting:

Quote
Aug 18

Brighton v Manchester United

Burnley v Watford

Cardiff City v Newcastle United

Chelsea v Arsenal

Crystal Palace v Liverpool

Everton v Southampton

Leicester City v Wolves

Manchester City v Huddersfield Town

Tottenham Hotspur v Fulham

West Ham United v Bournemouth

Normally Chelsea vs the Gunners would have interested me but Chelsea will probably beat them easily. Same for the next round. I see Spurs will be playing both Man U and Liverpool the two following weeks. Those should be good games.

I think Arsenal will recover in the London derby against Chelsea and I have a premonition that they will go further and win the game against Chelsea. Chelsea will miss a big star like Diego Costa so the gooners will have their chances to win, maybe a draw at worse for Arsenal during this game.

I don't. If it was at home I might have backed them to do a little better, but not at Chelsea.

I can’t see Arsenal getting top 4 this season, no way. They’ve got deficiencies all over the place & a weak squad. Emery will sort them out but it’s going to take time, probably a couple of years.

Same. Can't see them getting top 5 either.

209  Other / Meta / Re: Forum response very slow on: August 16, 2018, 03:36:06 PM
It's working fine for me, though it wasn't yesterday. Could barely load a page nevermind post.
210  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-08-14] Bitcoin's value will come in time even if investors are spooked now on: August 16, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
Those who got in first are the ones who profited greatly and to keep profiting off it they need new money coming in.

In that sense it's really no different than a stock or any other standard investment. The people who invested in Google or Apple when they launched have made a lot more money than someone that invested in the last 10 years...of course they also took a much bigger risk. It's the same with Bitcoin. The early adopters took a huge risk when it was only $10 that the whole thing would go up, so they also deserve most of the rewards.

Not exactly. Other investments usually have businesses behind them. Bitcoin just has the faith of it's users and believers behind it really (just like tulips did) and this is what makes it more precarious and risky in my opinion. If bitcoin does go completely tits up then sadly history will probably remember it as some sort of scam that went bust and people will almost certainly compare anything else that comes along to bitcoin like they did with tulip mania. It will then be called 'bitcoin mania' instead. Also, the initial bitcoin users got the coins for free or next to nothing if they mined them themselves, but everybody else who invests is looking for the next people to either buy their coins or keep raising the value for them so that's why people compare it to pyramid selling, especially how many of the bitcoin faithful try sell it to others as a money making scheme and are obviously doing it mostly for their own benefit to push u the demand and therefore price.



I get what you're saying but the early investors in Bitcoin had a completely different mentality than the later investors. People that got in super early didn't consider it an investment per se, they just liked the idea of a decentralized digital currency. When people were getting in at $1 they never thought they'd see it go up to $20k they were just hoping it would stay at the same price or go up a couple bucks. The early Bitcoin life was far from the hysteria and mania we have now and it was far from a pyramid scheme. Ultimately Bitcoin's original intention is as a currency, to use it to buy and sell goods and services. It's now morphed into a monster that's nothing like it was originally conceived. The point was never to hold onto it for months/years until the price goes up and to get rich off it. So it's only in retrospect that we look at those early investors as if they were on top of a pyramid scheme when in fact were taking a huge chance that this thing would even work out.

I agree that probably 99% of the original users were all about the tech, but there will have been some who could have seen the bigger picture. The next wave of people interested in bitcoin after libertarians were probably speculators. I think it probably went like something like this: Cryptographers; libertarians; speculators. Now it's probably most people looking to get rich quick or those online earners who move from one thing to the next by doing online marketing or youtube or wahtever. The way bitcoin is designed just makes it scarcer as time goes on and if you were smart you could see where it had the potential to go. There are also many original bitcoiners that still hold most of their stash, though many also cashed out at $1000 and above and bought their Lambos and houses with it.


[btw if I had any merit left I'd give you one for this post]

[edit got one. sent]
211  Other / Meta / Re: Merit? This got to be a joke. on: August 16, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
The number of sources probably needs to be greatly adjusted ~
I see lots of posts that I'd like to merit but I just run out of merit within minutes.
Why don't you apply to be a merit source? See this post.

I'll check it out. Do people get added as merit sources often though? I see there's lots of people waiting for account recoveries so is this really a priority for admins?

You're not a spammer, so in my opinion you shouldn't be limited by Merit. I could probably merit more of your posts, but I'm kinda busy at the moment with something else (and the forum is terribly slow today) Tongue

Appreciate the reward but if you have a limited amount of it it's probably best saving it for lower ranks who need it more than I do.
212  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-08-15] Is Bitcoin A “Cult”? A Former Paypal CEO Seems To Think So on: August 16, 2018, 02:25:58 PM
It's not a cult, it just has a lot of believers behind it who can see its divine potential. Wait, that does sound like a cult  Cheesy.

I think the trouble with bitcoin is it just attracts both the crazy and desperate. The people who never shut up about it are usually those that have got significant money invested in it so it's in their best interests to scream it from the rooftops with a passion.

It’s definitely not a cult in any conventional sense, but plenty of vocal proponents come off sort of cultish with their intensity and fandom.

Bitcoin is great, and it works. I’ve been a user and proponent for several years. But I don’t shout it from the rooftops, because of the image. It’s definitely getting more mainstream now, though.

It's obviously not literally a cult, but it has a devout cult-like following who believe in it at all costs, much like a cult. Some people ignore facts or are fueled by their own desire to see it succeed with a passion so strong which can put a lot of others off I think.
213  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-08-14] Bitcoin's value will come in time even if investors are spooked now on: August 16, 2018, 02:18:33 PM
Those who got in first are the ones who profited greatly and to keep profiting off it they need new money coming in.

In that sense it's really no different than a stock or any other standard investment. The people who invested in Google or Apple when they launched have made a lot more money than someone that invested in the last 10 years...of course they also took a much bigger risk. It's the same with Bitcoin. The early adopters took a huge risk when it was only $10 that the whole thing would go up, so they also deserve most of the rewards.

Not exactly. Other investments usually have businesses behind them. Bitcoin just has the faith of it's users and believers behind it really (just like tulips did) and this is what makes it more precarious and risky in my opinion. If bitcoin does go completely tits up then sadly history will probably remember it as some sort of scam that went bust and people will almost certainly compare anything else that comes along to bitcoin like they did with tulip mania. It will then be called 'bitcoin mania' instead. Also, the initial bitcoin users got the coins for free or next to nothing if they mined them themselves, but everybody else who invests is looking for the next people to either buy their coins or keep raising the value for them so that's why people compare it to pyramid selling, especially how many of the bitcoin faithful try sell it to others as a money making scheme and are obviously doing it mostly for their own benefit to push u the demand and therefore price.

214  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] 🔥IOU Signature Campaign | Member - Hero | 0.0007 BTC /Post 🔥 on: August 16, 2018, 02:11:56 PM
Can I take a Hero spot?


Addition of this rule
Quote
Posts will have to be a minimum of 150 characters.

I strongly disagree with this

A post with 150 characters may be useless shitpost. But a post with 10 characters or none and one image may be very useful.

If you make this rule everyone will be writing bullshit to get the minimum.

I suggest
"Unsubstantial posts or repetitive useless posts will not be paid"

150 characters isn't long at all. It's a sentence or two really. People shouldn't be getting paid for spam posts just if it's 50 characters though. It's better to judge each post on it's own merits. If it's good or bad then count it or not regardless of characters count.
215  Other / Meta / Re: Merit? This got to be a joke. on: August 16, 2018, 02:07:03 PM

Yes absolutely  , it's just impossible to earn with just constructive posts .
Believe me I don't think that's how this system works , people like us are not getting noticed and people who already have merits keep increasing their count ,
No offense to Senior users why don't newbies and Juniors with good quality posts aren't getting what they deserve.
I'm not totally against this system but I think it needs correction.

Merit system is a good idea in theory, but I think it needs some tweaking to make it work effectively. The number of sources probably needs to be greatly adjusted and maybe the merit requirements lowered for certain ranks, but maybe that will open up the system to abuse. I see lots of posts that I'd like to merit but I just run out of merit within minutes. I don't really need merit as there's no difference to me between Hero and Legendary, though I;d like to get there eventually, but despite my posts being pretty good [in my opinion] and much better than average I've received very few merit. I was very surprised to wake up this morning to see one post received 7 though, but at this rate it will probably take me years to get enough to be Legendary. A lower ranked user making okay or average posts probably has no chance or will take them years to get to a fairly high rank. I guess it's bout finding a balance between it being an effective system that minimizes abuse but also allowing people to realistically achieve ranks.
216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Without ETF on: August 15, 2018, 08:53:55 PM
Bitcoin has existed since 2009 for 9 years and no ETF is needed.


Nobody is saying bitcoin will cease to exist without the ETF, but without good news or things to get excited about bitcoin will stagnate or fall in value like it did on the mere decision to postpone the announcement. What do you think will happen to bitcoin if they come out and flat out deny it? It isn't going to be good.
217  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Trump Be Re-elected? on: August 15, 2018, 07:20:18 PM
Probably, unless he fucks up colossally. Seems to be quite bulletproof at the minute though. I suppose it depends on who he's running against also. If he doesn't really do all the things he promised those who initially voted for him and believed his promises will probably turn against him. Don't really care either way to be honest though. Trump is a dunce, but whoever you have in office usually does the same sort of things just under a different brand and issued in a slightly different rhetoric.
218  Other / Off-topic / Re: Working for a crypto company on: August 15, 2018, 06:33:56 PM
I personally don't know anyone who works for a crypto company, but would love to work for one myself. Not sure how you would go about that though. You also don't necessarily need to be able to code to join a crypto business, but I guess it helps, especially if you want to create a company yourself. Remember that most businesses also need customer service operatives and administrative assistants, so that's one thing most people can do without much experience (though knowledge of cryptos would obviously give you the edge over others who are unfamiliar with the industry). Most of these sorts of jobs can be done from home as well which is a big plus. You can even do them from anywhere in the world as long as you have a computer and an internet connection.
219  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-08-14] Bitcoin's value will come in time even if investors are spooked now on: August 15, 2018, 06:21:39 PM
I've always said bitcoin could be worth somewhere between zero and millions, but nothing is guaranteed. There's really no saying whether bitcoin will ever get back to anywhere near its peak value or surpass it in multiples. There could also be that one day where bitcoin was just seen as some sort of fad or even surpassed by a better coin or better technology. People often call it a scam because it often resembles a ponzi (though it obviously isn't). Those who got in first are the ones who profited greatly and to keep profiting off it they need new money coming in. There might be a time when that new money stops coming in or slows down and down goes the value with it. If bitcoin goes bust and to zero it will have unfortunately become the new tulip mania (and I hate when people call it that), but when something can lose half it's value in a matter of months it never looks good. I'm always dreading that day where it falls too far and causes mass panic that it never fully recovers from. One thing that really worries me is if bitcoin becomes more expensive to mine and costs more than what it is actually worth. According to this it's not far off in some countries:



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-mine-a-single-bitcoin-in-your-country-2018-03-06



Disruption in any industry takes time but when there's a broken business model that favors one party over the consumers, eventually someone will come in and turn things around. Think about Blockbuster Video. For years they were the only way to watch movies and they had membership fees and late fees and everything else that screwed people over...and then Netflix came in and destroyed their business model. They offered consumers the same service but without the fees or hassle of having to return a video to the store. The same can happen in the cryptocurrency world. Why put your money in a bank and pay their fees when you have an alternative?

Netflix was a natural progression from blockbuster, just like cds to mp3s and taxis to ubers and so on. But what happens when something comes along that is better than mp3s and uber? They also go the way of the dodo. Mp3s could be replaced by smaller yet less compressed files. Uber could fall to self-driving cars or maybe flying cars (you might laugh now but they're probably not far off  Cheesy). Bitcoin could go the same way. It's rare that the first pioneering idea remains the most used forever. Improvements are always made and new technology is adopted.
220  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-08-15] Is Bitcoin A “Cult”? A Former Paypal CEO Seems To Think So on: August 15, 2018, 06:01:40 PM
It's not a cult, it just has a lot of believers behind it who can see its divine potential. Wait, that does sound like a cult  Cheesy.

I think the trouble with bitcoin is it just attracts both the crazy and desperate. The people who never shut up about it are usually those that have got significant money invested in it so it's in their best interests to scream it from the rooftops with a passion.
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 [11] 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!