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201  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: October 14, 2023, 07:58:53 AM
A big reason why sovereign citizens lose is that the term 'sovereign citizen' is contradictory in itself, on its face. If one is a sovereign, he can't be a citizen, because citizens belong to governments, as property (at least to some extent), and aren't sovereign. Somebody using that term has lost by their own ignorance.

No, it's because they make idiotic arguments like this one:

This brings up a most important question. The question: "How many persons are you?"

The 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Wait a minute. The word "persons" is plural. How many people are you? Oh, that's right. Persons are the contracts and agreements you make and have signed with your mark or signature. You have and keep copies in your house - which is not necessarily a residence, BTW. It's these copies with your signature on them that are your persons.

So, let's examine the indictment against you. It has your name and address on it, and possibly other information that identifies you. What is the one important thing that it doesn't have? It doesn't have your signature on it. Why not? Because it isn't one of your persons. Rather, it's a made-up person, that simply looks like it is one of your persons.
202  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit – The original crash game on: October 13, 2023, 01:09:51 AM
Well, that was fun.

See everyone in 3 months.
203  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: October 12, 2023, 10:18:24 PM
At the same time, we are free to participate in government laws and policies to the extent that we want. And we are free to change our mind on our previous decisions any time we want.




Actually we have a criminal justice system.  
https://i.snipboard.io/gCWroj.jpg
If you break law (and get caught), you could be arrested and charged with a crime.
https://i.snipboard.io/2Byskg.jpg
If you're found guilty at a trial, you could be sentenced to prison.
https://i.snipboard.io/tCzHib.jpg
That means you aren't free anymore.
https://i.snipboard.io/zr5Pp1.jpg


https://i.snipboard.io/YP382I.jpg


This brings up a most important question. The question: "How many persons are you?"

The 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Wait a minute. The word "persons" is plural. How many people are you? Oh, that's right. Persons are the contracts and agreements you make and have signed with your mark or signature. You have and keep copies in your house - which is not necessarily a residence, BTW. It's these copies with your signature on them that are your persons.

So, let's examine the indictment against you. It has your name and address on it, and possibly other information that identifies you. What is the one important thing that it doesn't have? It doesn't have your signature on it. Why not? Because it isn't one of your persons. Rather, it's a made-up person, that simply looks like it is one of your persons.

Somebody sneaked into your property, and fraudulently made up a 'person' that looks like it is one of your persons, and tried to claim that it referred to you. They unlawfully 'searched' your property and tried to trick you into accepting that their fictional person is one of your persons, or better (if they can get away with it), that their person IS you, and not just a person belonging to you.

"Acceptance" is a legal term. You do not have to accept their person in any way. Furthermore, since they came onto your property and messed with your persons - as evidenced by the identification information on their indictment - you have a right to sue these perpetrators for breaching their Oath of Office against you (not upholding the Constitution 4th Amendment as they swore to do)... or any other trespass that they have done to you by improperly using your persons without permission from you (your signature does not appear on their indictment accepting it as one of your persons).

But, you don't have to sue them if you don't want. And you are certainly able to accept the indictment, thereby accepting that the person on the indictment is one of your persons. And you can also lie, and say that the indictment person IS you (It isn't. It's simply ink on paper.). They aren't going to charge you with lying or with inappropriate acceptance. That's what they want you to do, lie or accept. Why? Because they are more corrupt than you could ever think of being.

Note that the above was the way things were in America 200 years ago. Over the decades, people have forgotten the difference between 'persons' and 'people'. And that's what the attorneys and judges wanted all along, so that they can rule you as a master rules a slave. One of the greatest promoters of the ignorance of common people was the TV program "Perry Mason."





To truly appreciate what BADecker is saying here, I recommend people go down the Sovereign Citizen (SovCit) rabbit hole.  There's some really incredible stuff and tons of videos out there of people actually attempting the things he likes to advocate for in real life and failing spectacularly.  

Wikipedia does a good job explaining what SovCit is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement


And here's a few videos to get you started (I think that might actually be BADecker in the first one.  At least that's exactly how I imagined him even before seeing the video):


Defiant Sovereign Citizen Gets Owned By Police
https://youtu.be/NYfdTazjybk?t=26


Top 5 Sovereign Citizen FAILS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKQNXY-9wD8


SovCit Karen gets pulled over:
https://youtu.be/BgEx4JZ5svA?t=175


There's also a decently active subreddit that's a good follow: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sovereigncitizen/



204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: October 12, 2023, 02:08:40 PM
At the same time, we are free to participate in government laws and policies to the extent that we want. And we are free to change our mind on our previous decisions any time we want.

Cool

Actually we have a criminal justice system. 

If you break law (and get caught), you could be arrested and charged with a crime.

If you're found guilty at a trial, you could be sentenced to prison.

That means you aren't free anymore.




205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: October 09, 2023, 01:19:10 PM
Granted, Trump doesn't understand the basics of law in the US.
Ignorance is no defense for breaking the law.  If it were, his chances would be much better in his 4 criminal trials where he's been charged with 91 state and federal felonies including Racketeering, Defrauding the United States and Violating the Espionage act.

I have a feeling Jack Smith has many surprises like this one that we will get to learn about during Trumps criminal trial(s).

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Trump Said to Have Revealed Nuclear Submarine Secrets to Australian Businessman

Shortly after he left office, former President Donald J. Trump shared apparently classified information about American nuclear submarines with an Australian businessman during an evening of conversation at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Florida, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The businessman, Anthony Pratt, a billionaire member of Mar-a-Lago who runs one of the world’s largest cardboard companies, went on to share the sensitive details about the submarines with several others, the people said. Mr. Trump’s disclosures, they said, potentially endangered the U.S. nuclear fleet.

Federal prosecutors working for the special counsel, Jack Smith, learned about Mr. Trump’s disclosures of the secrets to Mr. Pratt, which were first revealed by ABC News, and interviewed him as part of their investigation into the former president’s handling of classified documents, the people said.

According to another person familiar with the matter, Mr. Pratt is now among more than 80 people whom prosecutors have identified as possible witnesses who could testify against Mr. Trump at the classified documents trial, which is scheduled to start in May in Federal District Court in Fort Pierce, Fla.

During his talk with Mr. Pratt, Mr. Trump revealed at least two pieces of critical information about the U.S. submarines’ tactical capacities, according to the people familiar with the matter. Those included how many nuclear warheads the vessels carried and how close they could get to their Russian counterparts without being detected.






Mr. Trump has been known to share classified information verbally on other occasions. During an Oval Office meeting in 2017 shortly after he fired the F.B.I. director James B. Comey, Mr. Trump revealed sensitive classified intelligence to two Russian officials, according to people briefed on the matter.

Well into his presidency, he also posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, a classified photo of an Iranian launch site.

The indictment in the documents case also accused Mr. Trump of showing a classified battle plan to attack Iran to a group of visitors to his club in Bedminster, N.J. Prosecutors claim that a recording of the meeting with the visitors depicts Mr. Trump as describing the document he brandished as “secret.”

Mr. Trump has not had access to more updated U.S. intelligence since leaving the presidency; President Biden cut off the briefings that former presidents traditionally get when Mr. Trump left office in the wake of Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the election and the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6, 2021.

“I just think that there is no need for him to have the intelligence briefings,” Mr. Biden said at the time.

“What value is giving him an intelligence briefing?” he said. “What impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say something?”

Mr. Trump’s interactions with Mr. Pratt appear to fit a pattern of the former president’s collapsing his public office and its secrets into his private interests.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/05/us/politics/trump-nuclear-submarine-classified-documents.html



206  Economy / Gambling / Re: Ynt: Rollbit.com | Kriptonun En Ödüllendirici Kumarhanesi � on: October 08, 2023, 02:16:56 AM
I did not receive any registration bonus.

I dont think Rollbit offer registration bonus so in your case it will be the level up bonus. Rollbit has been nuking few accounts in the past that abused the level up bonus by wagering 1.01 odds on sportsbook. You could check like 5-10 pages from the current page of this thread that there are some people that claimed their account was locked as well their withdrawal was halt after abusing wagering at low odds then claiming those bonuses

Probably your friend's account has nothing to even do with your account getting terminated, its probably only because you kept wagering on low odds then constantly make profit from those level up bonus

I didn't know this was bonus abuse. I was earning some pocket money by playing with odds of 1.01. If so, let them take my current accumulated bonus and give me back my current balance. thieves . I constantly write to live support and they ignore me.

If all you got were the standard vip bonuses (calendars, daily, weekly, etc.) then the issue isn't bonus abuse and there's a misunderstanding or something else going on.

How long have you been waiting for a response?
207  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: October 08, 2023, 12:32:34 AM
While not about the trials, it seems that Forbes does no longer consider Trump as one of the 400 richest persons in the US, mostly due about the massive devaluation of the "Truth" platform that he owns at 90%.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/article/the-definitive-networth-of-donaldtrump/

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He’s nowhere near as rich as he boasts, nor as poor as some critics claim. Donald Trump’s real net worth? $2.6 billion, according to our most recent tally, conducted in September 2023. Below, Forbes offers an asset-by-asset breakdown of the former (and possibly future) president’s fortune.

I wonder if he ever gives a honest figure, but the point is that the penalty of 250 million is not a small thing for Trump, and the removal of the license to do business in NY is probably worth as much as that, I will be following and reporting on the consequences of it.

The 250m would be a big deal today.  But before this case is through appeals, in about 15 months from now, Trump will either be on his way to prison or the entire federal  government including the military will be run by the most loyal magatards reporting directly to him.  I don't think it's too dramatic to say the judges and prosecutors in each of his cases will likely flee the country and live in exile.
208  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: October 07, 2023, 04:40:44 PM


'Part of the authoritarian playbook': Trump’s courthouse rant slammed by fascism scholars

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/part-of-the-authoritarian-playbook-trump-s-courthouse-rant-slammed-by-fascism-scholars/ar-AA1hAgl0
Trump told reporters Monday the New York fraud case “is a continuation of the single greatest witch hunt of all time.” He described Justice Arthur Engoron as a “rogue judge” and Attorney General James as a “racist attorney general” and a “horror show,” and the case against him “a scam” and “a sham.”
Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a New York University professor of history and Italian studies, responded to Trump’s remarks, saying “the witch hunt/victimhood rhetoric is part of the authoritarian playbook and was/is used by the following corrupt leaders: Mussolini, Hitler, Berlusconi, Erdogan. If extended to the whole country being victimized, add Putin, Xi, and more.”



Donald Trump Isn’t Even Trying to Hide His Authoritarian Plans for a Second Term
...








209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: October 05, 2023, 11:13:40 AM
If Trump is only smart enough to put into play some of the strategies of Kari Lake's team

Ahh yes.  And then Trump would be as successful as Kari Lake...

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Her campaign circulated testimonials from supporters who claimed to have been disenfranchised by technical problems with voting machines, but a New York Times review found that most of them had been able to vote. She filed a lawsuit in December alleging deliberate misconduct by election officials — though she did not provide evidence of that, or of any unintentional disenfranchisement. A judge rejected her claims later that month.

In February, when she said she was considering running for Senate, she was still claiming to be the rightful governor and raising money for lawsuits. The Arizona Supreme Court refused to hear her case in March, sending one part of her lawsuit back to a trial court for review. In May, a lower-court judge threw out a challenge she had filed over the verification of signatures for mail-in ballots.

During her campaign, she followed Mr. Trump in both style and substance, using the news media as a foil after working for years as a local television anchor in Phoenix. She repeatedly promoted Mr. Trump’s election lies, won his endorsement and in the Republican primary, defeated Karrin Taylor Robson, a rival supported by the state’s G.O.P. establishment.


210  Economy / Gambling / Re: bustabit – The original crash game on: October 03, 2023, 06:58:40 PM
Oh no, he's off his meds again.

Daniel stay strong.  You're playing this exactly right.
211  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Yes, The Biden Impeachment Hearing Presented Evidence Of Corruption — Lots Of It on: October 03, 2023, 02:47:33 PM
So if the Republican party showed actual evidence of corruption and wrongdoing (I am quite skeptical of it). When are we supposed to see Joe "Crooked" Biden impeached and thrown into jail?

Because when you come up with such serious allegations against a president, there are no middle grounds. Either he gets empeached or this hearing was one of the biggest shams pulled off by the Republican party and the pro Trump faction in a long time.

So, when is it going to happen? Less than 6 months ?

His 53 year old recovering (?) drug addict son is the one they have evidence of doing something wrong.  He went around making money using his dads name, and occasionally got Joe to get on the phone and say "hi, nice weather huh?".  

Even the witnesses Republicans called to testify thought it was stupid to open the inquiry with only what they have.

A little bit off topic, but stuff like this makes me wonder how the personal relationship between the president and his son is.
I could argue that since Hunter has been nothing but PR problems for the Democrat party and his father, their relationship must be a quite complex one.

The first thing many Republicans did when cocaine was found around the White House was to leverage on the reputation of Hunter to try to further discredit the whole administration.


Also, why you imply he may be not actually a recovering addict?
Stress causes recovering addicts to relapse.  I think we can all agree at least the last couple years have been pretty bad ones for Hunter - from his Rudy getting hold of his personal laptop and sharing all those dick pics and crack pipes, plus every american mouth breather has been programmed to hate his guts, plus there has to be some deep guilt over all the problems he's causing his father.  And things could get even worse.  Trump literally suggested he deserved the death penalty.  And there's a very real possibility that Trump is re-elected.  And if he is, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say the Trump won because Hunter is a fuck up.


And all of this while never deciding to become a public figure.  He wrote a book, and painted some art, but it's not like you see him on the news or twitter talking shit like Trumps sons.  He fucked up and should be held accountable for the decisions he's made, but he doesn't deserve to be treated the way he is.

Literally a member of congress in the capital while in session (and I think they made up the whole prostitute and how he paid her thing...not that it couldn't be true):

212  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Yes, The Biden Impeachment Hearing Presented Evidence Of Corruption — Lots Of It on: October 03, 2023, 01:51:04 AM
So if the Republican party showed actual evidence of corruption and wrongdoing (I am quite skeptical of it). When are we supposed to see Joe "Crooked" Biden impeached and thrown into jail?

Because when you come up with such serious allegations against a president, there are no middle grounds. Either he gets empeached or this hearing was one of the biggest shams pulled off by the Republican party and the pro Trump faction in a long time.

So, when is it going to happen? Less than 6 months ?

His 53 year old recovering (?) drug addict son is the one they have evidence of doing something wrong.  He went around making money using his dads name, and occasionally got Joe to get on the phone and say "hi, nice weather huh?". 

Even the witnesses Republicans called to testify thought it was stupid to open the inquiry with only what they have.
213  Other / Meta / Re: Come on, why remove a whole topic from politics board? on: October 03, 2023, 01:32:41 AM
The topic is really about nothing. By the way, exactly your post in this thread is an offtopic that has nothing to do with the subject of the topic.

Here's a link to the topic in ninjastic https://ninjastic.space/topic/5467560

That was a topic to make fun of Biden.  You gotta learn the nuances of magatard-speak - there's no trying to stop them, and the more you try the more you'll see why.
214  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: October 02, 2023, 11:44:41 PM
The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

There are jury trials and there are bench (judge) trials. Varies by jurisdiction but if both options are available (which is not always, e.g. for some minor misdemeanor crimes, or divorce cases, etc you may not even have the jury option) then usually the defendant can choose. I guess in this case Trump or his lawyers thought it would be easier to deal with a judge and chose a bench trial.

It wasn't a bench trial, I don't think,  and it wasn't something Trump agreed to allow to happen.  Since it's a non federal civil case there is no right to a jury trial.  If it were a criminal case, or a federal civil case, he would have a right.  But instead the fraud will just be an established fact that the jury will consider when deciding on what the damages are at the trial.    There was overwhelming evidence, and the only defense attempts were nonsensical, so there was really nothing to deliberate when it comes to whether or not Trump is a fraud.

The same thing happened in Rudys slander case but for another reason.  He didn't turn over the documents and other evidence he was legally required to, so the judge found him liable and the trial will proceed to determine damages.  But that belongs in the Kraken thread.




It seems that Trump himself wanted to get a jury - or that is the official version, because getting jury would mean a much wider spread of news and there is always a chance of getting a massive punitive damage.

250 million is a significant amount. Trump real assets are unknow - which funnily enough is linked to his fraud - but a quarter of a billion is not a slap in the hand, is more like cutting a finger. I wonder if he is going to be able to carry business using a loophole, because he has lost his licence to.


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-no-jury-bench-trial-ny-fraud-case-paperwork-2023-10?r=US&IR=T#:~:text=Trump%20isn't%20getting%20a,failed%20to%20ask%20for%20one&text=Former%20President%20Donald%20Trump%20was,correctly%20fill%20out%20court%20paperwork.

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Trump isn't getting a jury in his $250 million civil fraud trial because his lawyers failed to ask for one. Former President Donald Trump was entitled to receive a jury trial in his New York civil fraud case. And while he himself wanted a trial by jury, his attorneys didn't correctly fill out court paperwork.

Yeah I was wrong in the post above yours.  I thought there already was a jury, but I guess the law the DA used to sue him says a judge should rule from the bench, but I guess maybe there will be a jury?  When Trump walked out after attacking the judge and prosecutor for 5 minutes he said he agreed with what the judge said at the end and implied there will be a jury...?

Also I think the risk to lose all his ability to do any buisness in NY might be bigger than the potentially 250m fine.  Trump Tower, Trump Wall street, his Columbus circle building, the ice skating rink in central park, he really is all over the city...they would all be liquidated I assume.  And remember he was born in Queens and lived in NYC till a couple years ago, his father started the business and his sons are taking it over (although to be fair, Celebrity Apprentice is why he isn't broke today, not the Trump Org).

It's weird thinking back when Trump was just another NYC character.




Edit:

Update:  It turns out the reason there was no jury is most competent lawyers won't work for Trump and he fired all the ones that will.  In other words, his lawyers forgot to request a jury in the paperwork.

“Mind-blowing”: Legal experts warn that lawyer’s incredible “screw-up” is “very ominous” for Trump
https://news.yahoo.com/mind-blowing-legal-experts-warn-171808012.html



Also I now realize that this trial is off topic since this thread is about the trial in Georgia (not to be confused with other trial in NY, or the one in Miami, or the one in DC, or the one where he keeps defaming the woman he's already been found liable for sexual assaulting and defaming).
215  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 02, 2023, 09:21:49 PM
Pre-war Russia had double per capita GDP than Ukraine...millions of Ukrainians went to work to Russia to make ends meet, not other way around
IMF, Americans and corruption devastated Ukraine even before war

Im sure it had nothing to do with the famine that Stalin intentionally caused, killing 3+ million Ukrainians by seizing all the grain in response to middle class of Ukrainians calling for independence from Russiain.  This was before the war where Russia and the Nazis made a secret deal to not get in each others way to each take half of Ukraine (Stalins story was that it was to stop the genocide of ethnic Ukrainian's lol).

Yes, I'm pretty sure, too

Also, Stalin was not Russian

Stalin became the leader of the Soviet union 15 years before the start of WW2.

He literally manufactured a famine that killed millions of Ukrainians because he saw the middle class calling for independence threatening.

So, Ukraine gets invaded by Russia twice during WW1, then goes through a famine that killed millions intentionally created by Stalin, then during WW2 gets tag teamed by the nazis and Soviets, spends the next few decades living under the iron curtain, finally independence in the 90s and now here you are trying to defend Putin blowing up whatever he can because the west is so evil...


216  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 02, 2023, 07:49:26 AM
Pre-war Russia had double per capita GDP than Ukraine...millions of Ukrainians went to work to Russia to make ends meet, not other way around
IMF, Americans and corruption devastated Ukraine even before war

Im sure it had nothing to do with the famine that Stalin intentionally caused, killing 3+ million Ukrainians by seizing all the grain in response to middle class of Ukrainians calling for independence from Russiain.  This was before the war where Russia and the Nazis made a secret deal to not get in each others way to each take half of Ukraine (Stalins story was that it was to stop the genocide of ethnic Ukrainian's lol).
217  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: October 02, 2023, 02:07:07 AM
Thats not the meaning behind my words...the meaning was "GET THE HELL OUT OF UKRAINE AND SOLVE YOUR POVERTY PROBLEMS, LET RUSSIANS
GET INDOOR PLUMBING INSTEAD BEEN FORCED TO GO TO WAR"

That's a new one... Ukrainians forced Russians to not have indoor plumbing? Does that qualify as biological warfare?

The narrative is that Putin was "forced" to go to war. However it is still unclear how was that the only option left. That is, what would have been so terrible and devastating for Ruzzia is they had simply continued being a good commercial partner to Europe and an active responsible actor in the world.

My answer is that Ruzzia does not want to grow as other countries by growing the economy, improving productivity, creating markets, technology or specialising ... oh, or plumbing to avoid gonadic freezing injuries.

Ruzzia grows by grabbing. Thus, if they run the risk of not being able to kleptokrat Ukraine... they are "forced" to war. It is a systemic issue, it is far easier to "grab" a mine and get paid for the resources that actually develop anything useful for the world that someone would be happy to pay for. Just look at Ruzzias exports: Weapons, grain, oil, ... nothing that you have to "create".

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Russia's main exports are: fuels and energy products (63 percent of total shipments, of which crude oil and natural gas accounted for 26 percent and 12 percent respectively); metals (10 percent);

does people realize that Wagner used to get paid a percent of the income generated from mines they were able to "grab" (in Africa or anywhere else BTW).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/06/25/where-does-wagner-get-its-money-how-russias-mercenaries-turned-rebels-earned-millions-from-contracts-and-mining-deals/

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How Russia’s Mercenaries-Turned-Rebels Earned Millions From Contracts And Mining Deals.

This is Ruzzias "growth" model.

If Ukraine were to continue down the progressive road leading west and it became more like the Western countries that Oligarchs spend most of their time  (and money) and Russians went for vacation back when they were allowed...that would be bad news for Russia.

Eventually Russians would start to wonder "why can't we be like that?" and realize the answer was Putin.
218  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: October 01, 2023, 11:59:22 PM
The evidence seemed to be overwhelming enough for the judge to take the choice and not even required a full trial for it (I did not know that was possible in America, I thought you always needed to be judged in front of a jury if you did not take a plea deal).

There are jury trials and there are bench (judge) trials. Varies by jurisdiction but if both options are available (which is not always, e.g. for some minor misdemeanor crimes, or divorce cases, etc you may not even have the jury option) then usually the defendant can choose. I guess in this case Trump or his lawyers thought it would be easier to deal with a judge and chose a bench trial.

It wasn't a bench trial, I don't think,  and it wasn't something Trump agreed to allow to happen.  Since it's a non federal civil case there is no right to a jury trial.  If it were a criminal case, or a federal civil case, he would have a right.  But instead the fraud will just be an established fact that the jury will consider when deciding on what the damages are at the trial.    There was overwhelming evidence, and the only defense attempts were nonsensical, so there was really nothing to deliberate when it comes to whether or not Trump is a fraud.

The same thing happened in Rudys slander case but for another reason.  He didn't turn over the documents and other evidence he was legally required to, so the judge found him liable and the trial will proceed to determine damages.  But that belongs in the Kraken thread.


219  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: October 01, 2023, 11:43:22 PM
220  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: October 01, 2023, 06:15:01 PM
Since there are so many people who recognize that there is something fishy in our voting system

Don't worry BADecker.  The people who are responsible for the greatest election fraud in the history of the country were not successful and are finally being held accountable by Jesus and the DOJ to deter anyone else thinking about trying something in the future.  The system is working.  


God bless the USA.






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