And that's how Russia is using their brain again and collect their war money. They are doing is silently. 17 August they exchange 980977.93 WMZ only by exchanging USDT
Thats....not even $1 million usd, right? It cost them about $4 million to produce a single new T-14 tank. |
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Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it. Read the espionage act.
The Espionage Act applies to everybody. Trump, upon having the election stolen from him, declassified and took the documents to find the names of the deep state people who were engaged in espionage. He couldn't search while in office. So, he took them. Sure, it was risky. And none of us know what he found. But Trump is very confident that he found enough to destroy the workings of the deep state. Trump has the info. If the Dems use tactics like a crime of espionage against him, he will use it right back against them, along with all kinds of other things they are doing illegally and unconscionably.  According to the law, whether or not the documents are classified doesn't matter, it only matters if they contain "information relating to the national defense". Declassifying a document relating to national defense doesn't make it not related to national defense anymore. And most likely he's full of shit when he says they were declassified, at least according to people who would know. "Nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given. And I can't imagine anyone that worked at the White House after me that would have simply shrugged their shoulders and allowed that order to go forward without dying in the ditch trying to stop it" John Kelly, chief of staff, Sec of Homeland Security, 3 star general "a standing order to declassify documents taken to Mar-a-Lago did not exist""You don't just sort of get to say off the top of your head, 'oh, everything that I see today'"Mick Mulvaney, chief of staff "I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in. If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed."
"When somebody begins to concoct lies like this, it shows a real level of desperation,"John Bolton, chief of staff |
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The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law. Irrelevant. Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration. Why even bring that up? You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you? The documents in question are related to his administration. This is a document and dispute between the former Trump administration and the national archives. The national archives says it believes that Trump took some documents that are part of his administration and should be in the national archives. We don't know what the documents in question are related to. I guess anything he touched while in office could arguably be considered related to his administration. I'm not sure I'm following your point though, I mean obviously you're trying to say that you think it's ok and legal for Trump to have boxes of documents marked classified/top secret/csi in his basement almost 2 years after he left office....are you really convinced that the President has and should have that authority? To take government property with him on the way out of office? Including documents that could contain national secrets? Do you see how stupid that would be for the country if it were true? |
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The President has the unilateral authority to determine which records are those related to his administration, and these decisions are not subject to court oversight. Before you respond with some hyperbole, I would preemptively respond that this is the law, as ruled by appelette courts. If you don't like this, you should petition Congress to change the law. Irrelevant. Nobody is arguing about whether or not the documents are related to his administration. Why even bring that up? You don't think that being related to his administration equates to he gets to take them home with him after losing an election, do you? Similarly, the President has the unilateral authority to decide that any document is not classified. As the Commander and Chief, the President has the final authority to declassify any arbitrary document. Further, there are many documents marked at various classification levels that are in the public domain, including newspaper articles by major news outlets.
False and also irrelevant. False because The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 make anything related to the production of Nuclear Weapons inherently classified, which means they can't be declassified, even by Donald J Trump. But let's not derail this conversation with that because the entire argument is irrelevant, as I've already explained to you in another thread (and accurately predicted you would keep coming back to this silly point): Trump had the ultimate authority to declassify the documents in question. It would be stupid for Trump to not declassify a document he intended to bring to his home -- it is trivial for him to declassify a document. Yes he did have that authority. But he did not have the authority to steal them and keep them in his basement after he left office. Also, none of the laws cited in the search warrant, like the espionage act for example, are dependent on whether or not the documents were classified. Of course, Trump will continue to pretend like this whole case is about whether or not he declassified the documents he stole and kept in his basement, and then you will continue to repeat what he says, and I will continue to remind you that by repeating Trumps nonsense you're arguing that a President has the power to take any document he wants from any of the intelligence agencies and keep it for himself as a civilian - which is obviously a really freaking stupid argument. |
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Somehow you think that a President suddenly acts illegally, when all the while he is surrounded by some of the best lawyers and others who know the law. I would like to make excuses for you. Trump doesn't need any.
Excellent point. He has the best lawyers and others who know the law. Why hadn't I thought of that? The excuses for you are that you didn't look at the legality point I mentioned above, and that Trump would have declassified any docs that needed it. This is only standard, for his own protection. So, maybe Biden reclassified them. But all we need is proof that Trump declassified them... or not. Since this proof has not been presented one way or the other, and a person is innocent until proven guilty, so far Trump is innocent. Or do you have the proof? Like the FBI and the Dems, all there seems to be so far is talk that he is guilty. So far, at best, there might be only unproven circumstantial evidence, but all the talk is hearsay. However, the Biden regime and the FBI have done things that are illegal, no matter what the outcome for Trump may be. Literally doesn't matter if he declassified any of it. Read the espionage act. |
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So do you guys think Trump didn't steal boxes of National Security related documents on his way out of the White House? Or do you think a US President on his way out of office should be able to take government records that are classified at the highest levels to keep for himself, in his basement? Or do you just defend Trump at all costs no matter what? I don't think any of you are idiots (notice I didn't include BADecker), its just baffling to me how irrational you all act when it comes to anything related to liberals or Trump. It's like trying to talk to a die hard Yankees fan in October while he's drunk about the Red Sox.  |
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A good teacher can be the reason a child ends up a normal adult instead instead of a BADecker.
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The point that we need to remember about politicians is, they are talk. Nobody seems to be willing to let his group gather the info on how Biden is hurting him, and then invoice Biden for damages based on the harm done. Following standard UCC law regarding how to invoice, and when to take it to court for someone not paying the invoice, a person could easily win their case if they do it unrepresented. Biden would never show up. It would be a default, summary judgment. If the part of the suit for damages is high enough, because of your mental anguish, or simply because your loss is great enough, and since it would be difficult getting the local sheriff to arrest Biden until he pays, sell your judgment to a company that buys judgments for 10% of the face value. Get your money. Or, you might place your judgment paperwork with media outlets, and reduce his popularity until the people out him. This could be done with any politicians. Regarding that the Biden regime is hiring some 78,000 new IRS agents right now, and that many of these are being trained in the use of high-powered assault rifles to use on the people, ANYBODY could invoice and law suit a bunch of politicians for their role in making this illegal, standing army in times of peace... no formal Congressional Act of War has been proclaimed. There are plenty of law groups around the country who could do this and win... IF they stood in court, man-to-man, without representation, thereby not allowing the other side to have representation. So....what are you waiting for? Send him an invoice and let us know how it goes. |
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Election fraud is ongoing, and is being set up right now for 2024, right in front of us.
Don't worry, The Kraken will correct it. And also all the democrats will be dead bc vaccine by 2024. The results of the 2020 presidential election may not have been changed from President Donald Trump to Joe Biden by blatant vote fraud
Wait what!?!?  |
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Ok teachable moment here. So, when that report first came out, Trump said essentially the same thing. That it was proof the investigation was a sham. And then lots of republicans and right wing media repeated the same thing. And because the report was lengthy, like you said, many people just believed them, instead of reading the report. Like you. The same thing happened with the Mueller report. You believed what Trump said without reading the report, and as a result, you believe a lot of things that aren't true. The Mueller report is much more complicated which makes it much easier for you to argue in circles than in the case of this IG report. You think the IG report shows that the Investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and ties between Russia and the Trump campaign was a sham, I say the opposite is true. How about you take my hand and we can see what the IG report says according to the report itself, instead of according to Trump and the media reports you relied on up till now? Click your link and scroll alllll the way down to page 350, second to last paragraph: We therefore concluded the FBI met the requirement in the AG Guidelines
and the DIOG that Crossfire Hurricane be opened for an "authorized purpose,"
namely "to detect, obtain information about, or prevent or protect against federal
crimes or threats to the national security or to collect foreign intelligence." We also
determined that, although the investigation had the potential to impact
constitutionally protected activity, the FBI's decision to open the investigation was
permissible under both Department and FBI policies because there was a legitimate
law enforcement purpose associated with the investigation. Shocking huh? The report is saying the exact opposite of what you just said it said. See what I mean about this being a simple case of you being wrong? But wait, there's more, scroll down two more pages to page 352: we concluded that the FFG information, provided
by a government the USIC deems trustworthy, and describing a first-hand account
from an FFG employee of the content of a conversation with Papadopoulos, was
sufficient to predicate the full counterintelligence investigation because it provided
the FBI an articulable factual basis that, if true, reasonably indicated activity
constituting either a federal crime or a threat to national security may have
occurred or may be occurring. 485
We similarly concluded that the FBI had sufficient predication to open full
counterintelligence investigations of Papadopoulos, Page, Flynn, and Manafort in
August 2016. The investigation of Papadopoulos was predicated upon his alleged
statements in May 2016 to an employee of the FFG. According to the opening EC,
Papadopoulos was "identical to the individual who made statements indicating that
he is knowledgeable that the Russians made a suggestion to the Trump team that
they could assist the Trump campaign with an anonymous release of information
during the campaign that would be damaging to the Clinton campaign." The three
other cases were predicated on information developed by the Crossfire Hurricane
team through law enforcement database and open source searches, conducted to
determine which individuals associated with the Trump campaign may have been in
a position to have received the alleged offer of assistance from Russia. As
described in Chapter Three, through these efforts, the Crossfire Hurricane team
identified three individuals-Page, Manafort, and Flynn-associated with the Trump
campaign with either ties to Russia or a history of travel to Russia, two of whom
(Page and Manafort) were already the subjects of open FBI investigations
pertaining to, in part, their Russia-related activities. The FBI determined that this
information, taken together with the information from the FFG indicating Russia had
made a suggestion to the Trump team that it could assist by releasing information
damaging to candidate Clinton, stated an articulable factual basis reasonably
indicating activity may be occurring that may constitute a federal crime or a threat
to national security
Trump lied to you. You fell for it. It wasn't the first time, or the last. Remember that before you decide to keep defending him having all those documents in his basement. Some of the "classified" documents the national archives says it retrieved previously was a latter from Obama to Trump as Obama was leaving the Presidency, and a letter from NK leader Kim Jun Un, both of which have been public for years.
Well, looks like some of the "classified" documents the FBI seized were "classified/top secret/sensitive compartmented information". Basically as top secret as it gets. He had boxes and boxes of them, sitting in his basement. And no, it doesn't matter if he declassified them You just listed all of the potential classification categories that the government could have given the documents. It is well known that the government tends to overclassify documents that really do not need to be classified. No, I listed the the classification of the documents seized from Trumps house. Are you arguing that a president should be able to steal classified documents and then keep them in his basement after he leaves office because it's well known the government tends to overclassify documents? Do you really think setting that precedent would be anything but completely retarded? Trump had the ultimate authority to declassify the documents in question. It would be stupid for Trump to not declassify a document he intended to bring to his home -- it is trivial for him to declassify a document. Yes he did have that authority. But he did not have the authority to steal them and keep them in his basement after he left office. Also, none of the laws cited in the search warrant, like the espionage act for example, are dependent on whether or not the documents were classified. Of course, Trump will continue to pretend like this whole case is about whether or not he declassified the documents he stole and kept in his basement, and then you will continue to repeat what he says, and I will continue to remind you that by repeating Trumps nonsense you're arguing that a President has the power to take any document he wants from any of the intelligence agencies and keep it for himself as a civilian - which is obviously a really freaking stupid argument. And no, if the documents have anything to do with national security (which is what the warrant said), it doesn't matter if he declassified them (and he probably didn't actually declassify them). Hiding sensitive government records related to national security in your basement is called espionage.
I have not seen any evidence the documents in question would threaten national security if released to the public. The FBI raided his home and then unsealed the warrant and receipt of what was seized. That's the evidence. |
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FBI didn't seem to concerned about classified documents on a private email server with Hillary Clinton, did they? Wonder what changed.
So... is it wrong or not? Or is it only wrong when Hillary does it? As is typical with whataboutism "defense" you need to admit that the person you're defending is wrong, or that the aforementioned whataboutism is useless here. Which is it? (also, they were very concerned) (also, also, the current director of the FBI was hand picked by Trump) |
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He could have given them back a year ago when they asked nicely.
Or a few months ago when he was subpoenaed.
Or a few weeks ago when officials flew down to ask in person.
Are you aware that they "asked him nicely"? Or that they even asked at all? Who is the source of these claims? Yeah. By ask nicely, I mean without a subpoena or search warrant. Google statements by the National Archives. Do you believe the same FBI that used oppo research sourced by Russians in 2016 which started Russia gate are to be trusted in their claims? Well that's objectively false. The investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia was started because George Papadopoulos got drunk and bragged about Russia having dirt on Hillary Clinton to an Australian diplomat who then informed US intelligence. There were a bunch of other red flags, like Trumps decision to chair his campaign with the same guy that helped Viktor Yanukovych get elected in Ukraine. You know, the President that was run out of the country for putting Russia before his own. The idea that the Steel dossier was what started the investigation, or even that it was useful to the FBI is ridiculous. The only reason you think it's true is because Trump said it over and over and you've decided to be willfully ignorant by refusing to do your own objective research. It's a lie. It's not based in reality. Better yet, do you think Merrick Garland should be trusted? Yeah, I think he's about as trustworthy as a AG can get. Raiding the former President's private home for classified documents -- I'm sure this had nothing to do with politics. And I'm sure I'm going to keep hearing these lame, vague attempts to defend Trump since approaching the case rationally only leads to conclusions that you don't want to be true. Apparently a 4 year Russian collusion witch hunt and two impeachments isn't enough. Raid the man's private home when he isn't President anymore, and then present some nonsensical cover story about classified documents. FBI didn't seem to concerned about classified documents on a private email server with Hillary Clinton, did they? Wonder what changed.
So you still have a problem with Hillarys handling of emails, while at the same time defending Trump keeping boxes of classified documents in his basement....I'm sure your opinion has nothing to do with the fact you just don't like Democrats. How about Trumps own daughter and son in law using gmail accounts from her official White House office? Wouldn't it be better they used personal servers than give access to a liberal third party mega corporation? |
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And that's all if they find anything relevant ot accuse him.
Oh you missed the part where the FBI had to physically go to his basement to recover classified documents that he stole and refused to return on the way out of the white house. Or when he tried to convince the Governor and SS of Georgia to give him 11,780 votes so he wouldn't lose. Or when he found out his crowd on Jan 6 was being reduced because so many had guns and there were metal detectors, he demanded the metal detectors be removed 'I don't fucking care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me'. Then he ordered the crowd to march to the capital and fight like hell. And while they were fighting like hell chanting 'hang mike pence' he tweeted "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution" Then there's the electoral college fraud where he organized a bunch of republicans to submit fake electoral votes for him. Oh and he also scammed $250 million from donors for a "stop the steal" fund that didn't exist to stop the democrats from stealing an election he knew wasn't stolen. Indicted doesn't mean guilty. The whole scheme of anybody who is attacking Trump, has to do with reducing his popularity to such a low point that they have a chance of getting somebody else into the Presidency. So far, the actions of his opponents is only serving to strengthen his popularity. I expect the Trump supporters more intelligent than you (most of them around these parts) will have to resort to these type of vague defenses more and more in the coming weeks. Maybe some of them will wake up, realize they're turning into BADecker and drop the cult mentality...who knows. |
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Some of the "classified" documents the national archives says it retrieved previously was a latter from Obama to Trump as Obama was leaving the Presidency, and a letter from NK leader Kim Jun Un, both of which have been public for years.
Well, looks like some of the "classified" documents the FBI seized were "classified/top secret/sensitive compartmented information". Basically as top secret as it gets. He had boxes and boxes of them, sitting in his basement. And no, it doesn't matter if he declassified them He could have given them back a year ago when they asked nicely. Or a few months ago when he was subpoenaed. Or a few weeks ago when officials flew down to ask in person. And no, if the documents have anything to do with national security (which is what the warrant said), it doesn't matter if he declassified them (and he probably didn't actually declassify them). Hiding sensitive government records related to national security in your basement is called espionage. You've really got to be brainwashed or just have the most delicate ego to ever exist if you aren't able to lo admit that if this guy actually did half the things he's being accused of he should be in prison, not the White House. In the coming months he could be realistically indicted in three separate cases: Federal charges for violations of the Pres Records and Espionage act Federal charges for seditious conspiracy and defrauding the Government State charges in Georgia for criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, racketeering and conspiracy   https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/12/us/politics/trump-search-warrant-document.html |
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in bitsler
im blackdiamond
i wagered last 30 days about 50k
They must have some fun games. Think I'll have to give them a try. |
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That guy knows how to network... |
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You forgot to explain what happened.
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Might want to dial down on "cultural protectionism" when totally dependent on USA and EU. Yes, this is how it works. I can't see anything illogical in this statement. How does Himars affect culture? What makes you think that USA goals are completely aligned with UA?
Idc, man. Since they're giving to us weaponry and money, I'm fine with that. In fact, typical "Israel case". USA and Israel HAD, have and will have a lot of disagreements in politic. Despite this was never a reason to Israel to reject american help. So you should try better But what makes you think that relationship is similar of that with Israel and not like with Kurds? And you really believe that UA can somehow take Crimea back (with Crimean kids that were 12 back then are 20 yrs old now and lived all of their adult lives as RU citizens) without Russia activating 2millioin of it's reservist in addition to current 175k troops? Why wouldn't you care for the end goal? If the outcome is all the same, but the difference is only in loss of life (to both sides) that doesn't bother you at all? And I'll ask again, will you concede that the losses will be senseless if/when RU takes Kharkiv/Odesa/Zaporizhzhia/Dnipro... or any and all UA losses can be justified by claiming that they were actually protecting Poland/Europe/freedom whatever... from Russian orcs? When you need weapons to defend your country from a foreign invasion, it really doesn't matter where they come from. And yeah, obviously they really do think they can take Crimea back. Remember back when Putin thought it wouldn't even be a war, just a special operation in response to NATO expansion, and even in the West, the question was not if but how many days until the fall of Kiev? Would they last through the weekend? Maybe a week? Would Zelensky be killed? That was 6 months ago. Do you really think things are going according to Putins plan? They've given up on Kiev, Nato added two more countries, Sanctions are far more aggressive than anticipated, and basically all the effort over the past 30 years to recover from the collapse of the SU has been erased. Not to mention the ever growing list a military humiliations. Their flagship being sunk, the trap bridge over the river, and now somehow they blew up an air field in crimea 250km behind the front line. Of course, you won't believe any of that because you believe what Putin wants you to believe. But you must understand that's what is believed by many in the west, Ukraine included. |
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