Anyone that knows anything about online poker and payment processing knows that this is an absolute no brainer. The ability for the site to move large amounts of cash extremely fast, secure and cheap is a poker sites wet dream. Black Friday gave us a glimpse of what the payment process problems can be (see FTP over $100 million in phantom deposits, ACH backlog, tens of millions stolen by payment processor IntaBill). IMO PS already knows all about bitcoins but I believe the biggest hurdle for them will be the license's they hold. While I certainly don't know many specifics of the actual license's I do know that one of the big things they have to protect against is money laundering. I am speculating that using an completely unregulated payment process (aka Bitcoins) would not be allowed by the IoM regulators, ARJEL etc etc. all pure speculation on my part I do hope for a BTC option in the cashier one day. Getting a cash out from the site instantly would be pretty sick! |
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All US orders are backed up!
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We are too backed up on US shipping, to accept any more US purchases. We should be accepting US purchases in 24 to 48hrs. International Orders are not affected at this time. Terminals for US Orders are closed during this time
I did wonder why they did accept CC? You have at least 30days to dispute purchases. Does a merchant still get paid if it is disputed?
They did also say that they could only handle producing 90 or so a week. So maybe unlike other firms they are only taking orders for what they can produce. Which would be a first. Phil That sure is a nice thought but then how come international orders can still be placed? I mean either they have them to ship or they don't. I am not seeing a realistic reason to cut off US orders and still allow international ones (ESPECIALLY FROM A US COMPANY)? The only difference I see is the ability to pay by CC, and I can guess why they would not want any CC orders... |
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Got another email from Lightning Miner. No answers to any of the questions, even the easy ones like their address and elusive domain name of the previous website that is the key to the mystery of how they already had numerous satisfied customers before they first appeared on the Internet several days ago. As was pointed out previously in this thread, why are they waiting for user videos to be posted when they claim to have taken down the two previous user videos because they weren't pre-approved? Seems like they are attempting to stall the naysayers long enough to hook a few fish. Hopefully no one bites. Perhaps they believe offering the carrot of a free sample should be enough to temporarily silence the most vocal skeptics. Since your really trying to help, i'd like to ask you a favor. There are a few people on our support team who would be able to answer all those questions for you. If I answer them all, and end up being wrong on one or two of them...that will likely get me in trouble. If you could please, just copy those questions and email them to support@multiversecomputers.com I'm guessing our support manager would be the one to answer them for you. Just so you know, several other members in the forum have asked many of those questions already and got their response from our support manager. I haven't seen any of them re-posting negative comments since then. I can however tell you right off of the bat, we won't post a video until your own Community Members begin posting theirs. Anything we post or put up...someone in the forum will figure some way of making it out to be bad. Better that we let them see from their fellow forum community, so there is no accusation that the video we make is some how false and etc. If you have any Forum Members you would reccomend for us to send our products too free of charge for review, please let me know. If there was some place I could post this I certainly would. We have 4 already that have a high Post rate, and then another 4 that just starting to rise in the forums. We really really really would appreciate any other Forum Members with a large amount of post, and a good reputation in the forums to contact us. Like I said we would not charge one single penny to send them two of our products to tinker, test, and review. I am guessing BittenBob didn't fit their version of a forum member with large amount of posts or a good rep? He stated he already contacted them and has not heard a reply (or if he has he hasn't mentioned it here or I missed it). Seems like he would be a great candidate, and even offered to travel to their HQ??? Why are you asking for forum members when you have a solid one contacting you? Do us all a favour and get one to BittenBob FAST FAST, if you did that and he verified it I can imagine a ton of credibility and sales to follow... |
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At last we proudly to present you first ready to use sample of hardware bitcoin miner. It based on components Russian-Chinese production , can work through RJ-45 and has two USB 2.0 ports: first for commutation with PC (or Mac) second USB is OTG to connect keyboard or other ASIC mining device. Aproximate mining speed is around 80 GHash, but miner is still under heavy optimization. So, speed of end user devices could be greater up to 10-25%. First photo of working prototype.  Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZs4Gj2lKwProduct specs: Main CPU: ARM Cortex A9 Dual Core 1,4 GHz RAM: 512 Mb DDR3 ASIC units: 4x Elbrus ASIC devices @ 20 GHash each OS: modified Bolgenos(Russian Ubuntu distro) ARM version Power consumption: 800 W PSU: Thermaltake 1200 W (external) ?? So I'm assuming you didn't get your bASIC refund yet.... and this is how you intend to recover your losses? If you can't beat em, join em. LDO |
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At last we proudly to present you first ready to use sample of hardware bitcoin miner. It based on components Russian-Chinese production , can work through RJ-45 and has two USB 2.0 ports: first for commutation with PC (or Mac) second USB is OTG to connect keyboard or other ASIC mining device. Aproximate mining speed is around 80 GHash, but miner is still under heavy optimization. So, speed of end user devices could be greater up to 10-25%. First photo of working prototype. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZs4Gj2lKwProduct specs: Main CPU: ARM Cortex A9 Dual Core 1,4 GHz RAM: 512 Mb DDR3 ASIC units: 4x Elbrus ASIC devices @ 20 GHash each OS: modified Bolgenos(Russian Ubuntu distro) ARM version Power consumption: 800 W PSU: Thermaltake 1200 W (external) ?? |
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Nowhere on the site that I can find does it say it actually mines bitcoins. The site says a lot of things, but it does not say that.
You may end up getting exactly what you ordered. I'm not sure what Bit Mining is, but I'm sure I can produce a $75 device from my closet that does 4,000 MH/s mining bits of one sort of another.
Ya, but can you deliver it in less than 8 months? Sure, send me $75 and I'll send you something that mines bits at 4 GH/s today (well, tomorrow, Monday the 3rd). Are we using the same calendar? Now that is a ship date you can not possibly make... Even when joking you set an impossible ship date LOL sorry couldn't resist!!! Why is that a ship date I can't possibly make? I assure you with 100% confidence that I can make that ship date. I'll even do escrow. You will get a 4 GH/s device that mines bits shipped out tomorrow for $75, assuming you're in the US. If you are international, you'll have to cover shipping. accurate dates just aren't your thing are they? |
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Nowhere on the site that I can find does it say it actually mines bitcoins. The site says a lot of things, but it does not say that.
You may end up getting exactly what you ordered. I'm not sure what Bit Mining is, but I'm sure I can produce a $75 device from my closet that does 4,000 MH/s mining bits of one sort of another.
Ya, but can you deliver it in less than 8 months? Sure, send me $75 and I'll send you something that mines bits at 4 GH/s today (well, tomorrow, Monday the 3rd). Are we using the same calendar? Now that is a ship date you can not possibly make... Even when joking you set an impossible ship date LOL sorry couldn't resist!!! |
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Nowhere on the site that I can find does it say it actually mines bitcoins. The site says a lot of things, but it does not say that.
You may end up getting exactly what you ordered. I'm not sure what Bit Mining is, but I'm sure I can produce a $75 device from my closet that does 4,000 MH/s mining bits of one sort of another.
Ya, but can you deliver it in less than 8 months? |
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I've actually decided to take the leap of faith and order one. Speaking to their Customer Service says that the device will be with me within 5-8 days. So hopefully later this week I can give a few photos, and review of the device working.
If I don't receive it we will know that things are not good.
Also as mentioned above, they have also mentioned the beta testing of the Mammoth Device to me and I'm hoping that they will include me in the beta testing as well.
Phil
Do you mind if I ask if you paid CC or BTC? are you a domestic or international customer for them? |
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Hello,
No, not a scam lol. Don't worry we got thick skin, you didn't hurt our feelings. I will go ahead and give you some current information. Currently any new orders on the lightning miners will ship out around 4-5 days from now, and have a transit time of 2-3 days. The specs on the ASIC based miners is from our Beta testing on 12 different miners. We averaged the spec's to get as close to the exact figure as possible. So even though we post 4GH/s you may get around 3.3 at times. Temperature has been quite the element in results from the miner too, while we do recommend the fan it is not necessary. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to email us back.
This is an email back from them. asking for more info. Yes, still got to be careful about possibly being a scam, until other people have seen the actual device. Phil I sent them an email as well and the response I got was basically the same as above... 4-5days, 12 beta testers etc etc. I also asked about international CC orders (they're in the USA and I am in Canada) and the email states (paraphrasing here) that their CC processor does not process international CC and that all international orders are handled through MtGox... Million to one shot this is not a scam. Curious to see how they respond to BittenBob's request! |
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Well for $75 I guess it could be worth a try.
Phil
LOL even with all the massive red flags I kinda thought like this. I just got a prepaid visa card the other day for a little over a $100 and was wondering what I should spend it on! I figured that since it was such a small amount of $ (and I had this card kicking around) and they accept CC I would take a shot at it (bad case its a scam and I do a charge back in a few weeks, worse case I totally lose the purchase price?). So I headed to the checkout (after verifying on the site that they ship internationally), well low and behold I got stuck at the checkout because the forms only accept USA address' and I don't see anywhere to be able to add international information. The checkout process seems to require a USA address to continue. RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE, PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION! |
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2415979,00.aspThe company started taking pre-orders for the device last year I wonder if there's a forum full of people bitching and moaning about it not being released... If you are so concerned with BFL's business practices, why are you still invested in their products? Pull your orders if you believe them to be so incompetent. Wow what a bad analogy/comparison... I'd say the reason there's no forum with people screaming blue murder is because the company you linked is not taking "FULL PAYMENT PRE-ORDERS" Can you see the difference from a consumer POV from pre-ordering a product and not paying for it until its shipped vs full payment pre-orders? if you need a hint its all in the amount of risk the consumer takes... |
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According to your link: a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation Care to explain the Can-Electric situation...? |
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By your definition (as indicated by the link): a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation Care to explain the whole Can-Electric situation... |
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Good luck OP this is exciting stuff.
I hope you guys can find an integrator that will give the "average joe" (like me!) more confidence to purchase mining gear and get into bitcoin mining.
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I understand you live in Canada. Is not healthcare free there ?
We have a world class UHC system in Canada but it doesn't mean we don't have any health care costs. If the parents don't have good health benefits from work or private coverage then there can be a lot of "additional costs" that are not covered (prescriptions, time off work to take care of someone or for treatments etc etc). Yes, Canadians are very fortunate and we will pay out of pocket a lot less than most people in similar situations. Unfortunately someone going through this with a young child will incur some expense, hopefully the debt they incur will not be so overwhelming as to cause them long term financial problems - hopefully they can dig out of it after its all over and done with. OP good luck, I have a 4 year old son as well and I couldn't imagine hearing words like that. |
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What shipping method is being used for most of Batch #1?
Ancient Chinese secret! If they told you they would have to kill you!! Careful don't want to piss off the young fellow with silly questions. No news is good news. blah blah blah! |
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You are pissed off because we haven't got around to release source code yet or the fact we did not giving you a free unit?
Ha, this made me laugh. He rises from the dead to post in the BFL thread while ignoring all the questions in the Avalon threads. Good choices BitSyncom  Me too. Welcome to Deadwood!!! When I think of Avalon it reminds me of dinner time at home when I was a kid, every night Mama made two dinners for the family... they were, Take it or Leave it! CS just doesn't appear to be a priority for them and I guess when demand exceeds supply by several multiples you can really do whatever the hell you want LOL. IMO its probably not the best long term business model but meh maybe the western idea of CS is outdated and I'm just old and crazy and this is the wave of the future! |
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A Bitcoin option in the PS cashier would be fantastic.
I actually thought I read a few days ago (random poster nothing official or anything) that PS was working on this (on a poker forum). I went back to look for the post and can't find it so maybe I was dreaming? LOL
I think the entire FTP fiasco shed a ton of light for the public on just how costly and difficult payment processing is for online poker sites (sports book and casino as well LDO). I can just imagine the payment processing dept would salivate over all the benefits that bitcoins provide (and I would be surprised if they hadn't already discussed it in depth). Hell it takes care a bunch of the biggest problems they have with payment processing.
I think it would be a smart move on their part to have a bitcoin option in the cashier (and I would use it) but I cant imagine it would ever eliminate the other deposit and cash out methods.
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Sorry for not having searched all of the 30-50 pages threads about avalon, Here are my questions. No worries but you will have to sit tight and await our Avalon Overlords to get Official answers! * What has happened to the other 298 AVALON orders ? I think I've read they've all been shipped a week ago. It's been close to two weeks and they've been able to build / ship two unit but now we've got to wait for 5 days before any other gets in the wild  (They not show up into added hashrate at all yet) It appears that obtaining tracking information is quite difficult to get and send to customers when shipping from China. * BATCH 2 !!! ... half-way fucked up. What I want to know is ; IS IT SOLD OUT OR IS IT NOT ? Half-way fucked up? That's being pretty generous IMO. Given your previous batch took 2 week to sell, Should I understand this one took 2 hours ? really ? If they can get an ecommerce site running that can handle the traffic I think it's quite possible it would have/will sell out in a very short time frame. Suggestion : For next batches instead of selling 3 module Avalons and upgrades, Sell 1, 2, 3, module or "Complete" (4 module).
People are buying these things by the dozen I don't see many people not willing to get a 4 module unit
AND while at it why not sell empty avalon so I can buy exactly how much I want and reuse some of my, soon to be retired, 80+ Gold PSUs. Great suggestion, but making things more complicated for them on the retail side when they haven't shown the best skills to handle such complexity might be a can of worms best opened after a few more batches? Meh actually, sorry but they will do what they want lol Overlords and all!!! |
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