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2121  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin adoption slowing; Coinbase + Bitpay is enough to make Bitcoin a fiat on: April 09, 2014, 05:28:48 PM
Anonymity is the only way the individual can opt-out of that unfixable (evil) symbioses that is going to torch the earth after 2016.

I want to also remind that anonymity doesn't eliminate social networking. Let's differentiate between anonymity and reputation as they aren't mutually exclusive.

I stand by my earlier analogy in the MadMax thread that Anonymity is like chemotherapy. It has some undesirable side effects there is no denying it. Hopefully reputation will help mitigate those to some degree.

I have spent some time trying to think of an alternative to anonymity as I dislike some of those side effects. All line of inquiry have uniformly led me to the same conclusion. Anonymity is the only short term solution. Everything else is either ineffective or at best stalling tactics.

With metastatic cancer sometimes your only choice is to give up and let it consume you, or fight it with the tools available, however imperfect, at your disposal.

Time to learn how to use TOR anyone know of a good guide on how to set this up?
2122  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is a Madmax outcome coming before 2020? Thus do we need anonymity? on: April 09, 2014, 04:44:28 PM
Indeed hopefully the collapse described the zombification of America can be mitigated by innovation.

It is eerie how reality can sometimes mirror fiction. Our current plight is not all that dissimilar to that of the Foundation in Isaac Asimov classic trilogy. The current empire economic order is gradually slowly and inevitably dying. It cannot be saved as its very nature makes it unsustainable.

All those of us who understand the problem can do is to try to avoid being destroyed in death throws of the dying order and work to minimized the duration and severity of the collapse.

2123  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin adoption slowing; Coinbase + Bitpay is enough to make Bitcoin a fiat on: April 06, 2014, 06:55:23 AM
I am still stunned that the Metcalfe model so accurately corresponds to the actual market cap over 4 years and over 1,000,000% growth in market cap.  The plot confirms for me that the value of bitcoin comes from the network of people who use it.  If we keep finding new ways to use bitcoin, the rest will take care of itself.  



I am not sure if bitcoin's adoption is slowing yet, but as cryptocurrency's values seem to follow Metcalfe's it seems sure to do so in the near future. Bitcoin's deflationary nature causes holding not spending. The new tax implications from the IRS and relatively high costs of replacing spent coins on an exchange will further exacerbate this trend. If Metcalfe's law holds this will progressivly slow the use of the currency and thus hold down its value.

The stage seems set for a more nimble competitor to arise solve these priblems and eventually take the crown.




2124  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Today will be my last day using Mozilla Firefox or any Mozilla products... on: April 06, 2014, 12:41:59 AM
Below is the best comment I have read about the controversy so far.
This was posted in response to someone celebrating the lynching in the comments section of Slate

Quote from: Aditya Vivek Barot

You are a lunatic. You lack the ability to construct apposite analogies. You are the fanatic Hiterlite determined to purge society of all dissent. You are the criminal that delights in the destruction of men of genius. Just like Goebbels, you cannot stand men that actually possess genius. Thus, the hatred of the lowest common denominator is turned upon all those who create and make this world a better place.

A man who is, in large part, responsible for the modern world and its convenience was purged by the hyena-like mob that is comprised of bigoted lunatics such as yourself.

Thanks to you, America is no different from Nazi Germany insofar as treatment of dissidents is concerned. And unlike Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, we don't even need a secret police since "men" such as yourself remain at the ready to tear down dissidents.

I don't care about this issue one way or the other. Since I don't believe in mass democracy, I don't even vote. Since I don't believe a secular state can even issue marriage licenses, I don't care about the person or persons eligible for the same.

However, I would never hound anyone on either side of the debate.

Why? Because I am a civilized man who believes that men cannot be punished for their deeply cherished opinions even if they militate against the prevailing structure of taboos.

You, sir, are a savage who is opposed to the Reformation, Renaissance and the Enlightenment. You are no different than a sadistic Church official delighting in the discovery and destruction of heretics.

 
2125  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Today will be my last day using Mozilla Firefox or any Mozilla products... on: April 04, 2014, 04:16:52 AM
I respect that poor fired CEO. The mob wanted a forced apology and a profuse groveling repentance.
Instead he said nope my personal beliefs are personal. So they fired him over a $1,000 political donation 6 years ago.

Only thing good about it is that it is an obvious overreach. It will show people what society is turning into.
Take this as a warning. Protect your identity and anonymity.
If you ever decide to have an independent thought it may be you the establishment turns on next.  
2126  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 01, 2014, 04:42:48 PM
Any one serious about liberty is welcome to come help on something serious. Not this BS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM

Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
Tis folly to be wise.
--Thomas Gray 1742


If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course frantically try to clamber out.
But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low,
it will float there quite placidly. As the water gradually heats up, the frog will sink into a tranquil stupor,
exactly like one of us in a hot bath, and before long, with a smile on its face, it will unresistingly
allow itself to be boiled to death.
--Daniel Quinn's The Story of B 1996


It’s amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites.
--Thomas Sowell
2127  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 01, 2014, 03:48:52 PM
The crucial thing is, that aminorex has been persistently wrong on the one thing I care about the most when reading this forum.

I rarely comment on short term price movements, which I think is your primary if not exclusive interest.  I am not consistently wrong on that when I do.  If I were, I would long since have learned to autofade.  

You will rarely if ever find my comments useful.  I am much concerned with encouraging weak hands.  You don't need or want that.  You are almost certainly better off putting me on ignore.


As a neutral third party I personally find both aminorex's and MatTheCat's posts valuable and interesting. The focus is entirely different long terms predictive models versus short term daytrading which I suppose accounts for the bizarre animosity.

My message to the two of you would be to both keep up what you are doing as I enjoy your posts. However, maybe putting each other on ignore might not be such a bad idea Cheesy   
2128  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: March 31, 2014, 02:09:29 PM
[...] I see confiscation coming in 2016. So that is why I am analyzing [...]
I am so sorry to pollute Risto's thread with unsuitable words, but WTF ?!
What confiscation ? Who's confiscating what ?! Are we in the middle ages or bolshevik Russia _(CCCP)_ now ?
AnonyMint, would you please care to share your thoughts / analysis / sources on this one with us ?

The world economy is going down the drain due to the enormous debt build up. In order to prevent total chaos when the castle starts breaking apart governments will want to confiscate as much wealth as possible. They won't go down without a fight so to say. And their best fighting power is taxation of different sort. How far they go is the question. I don't think they would go to the obscene levels Anonymint speaks of (70%+ taxation) but who knows.

France is already taxing the wealthy at 75% even though everyone acknowledges it is not actually going to bring in much if any revenue (wealthy are leaving France). President Hollande has said the new tax is "symbolic" and designed to make a political statement that everyone should pay their fair share.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/30/news/economy/french-tax-75/

Nothing preventing that logic from marching right down the tax brackets first to the upper middle class and then the middle class.


2129  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: March 31, 2014, 05:52:06 AM
Can we just blame the Gov and talk about basic libertarian solutions?

The Libertarian platform advocates for:
Minimally regulated markets
A less powerful federal government Strong civil liberties
Separation of church and state
Open immigration
Non-interventionism

We had a government like this at one point (the US government circa 1800). Unfortunately it spontaneously degenerated into what we have today. The problem with the Libertarian party is not that they are wrong, but that they have no realistic strategy to accomplish their goals.

The libertarian typically believes the current system can be reformed from within. In reality the system is terminally ill. It is slowly dying and likely too far gone to save itself through gradual reform. The probable future is systemic collapse followed by massive social change. As individuals we should plan and prepare so we are not crushed in the death throws of the dying order.

In the wake of the Great Depression the leading economists of the day recommended a transition to full reserve banking. It was called the Chicago Plan. Sadly the power of finance was far too strong and the Chicago Plan was never seriously considered. We now live in a world without a single country city or state that mandates full reserve banking. In a world with vastly different cultures, traditions, and religions that seems odd doesn't it?

Theft via fractional reserve is the single greatest force driving us into collective systemic failure. Any platform that does not address this root cause will not succeed.
2130  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: March 29, 2014, 12:59:18 AM
Please show your calculations for a different amount of time, then.

The answer is infinity as the debt can never be paid off. It is mathamatically impossible under the current system.The debt in agregate can only grow. I will show why this is the case and why the hotel room example you cited above is wrong when I have more time.

Yet real world debts are paid off every day, and even loans that go into default must somehow be satisfied. Therefore, there must be an average loan repayment time, like I said in the first place. Sure, all it takes is one outstanding loan and mean repayment time becomes indefinite, but that's not the same as infinite. And a mean is just one type of average statistic.


When a bank makes a loan it must be paid back with interest. This interest must be drawn from the larger economy.  Every time a bank creates a loan it creates more debt than money and the overall debt burden relative to money grows. How is this debt paid? It can only be paid via two mechanisms. Someone somewhere in the economy must take out even more debt to pay the initial loan (delay), or debt must go into default and the underlying collateral seized (eventual guaranteed outcome).

Selling assets to pay debt does not change this. A specific individual debt may be satisfied, but that money is then removed from circulation resulting in even less money to pay other debts. Banks create a false boom via sustained periods of money printing. This results in an unstable and volatile imbalance between saving and investment. Low interest rates by a central bank stimulate the creation of money by the banking system. This leads to increased capital spending funded by newly issued bank credit. This debt induced boom results in widespread malinvestment. When credit is cut off there is a massive bust as assets are liquidated at fire sale prices in an attempt to service an ultimately unserviceable debt burden. Rinse wash and repeat and you have a parasitic cycle. I will explore this cycle in depth in part II of my analysis of the banking system ETA 2 weeks.  

You are correct that the there is an average loan repayment time and that this average loan repayment time does not go to infinity. However, average loan repayment time can only be kept constant if the loan default rate gradually and cyclically climbs towards 100%.




2131  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: March 28, 2014, 11:44:21 PM
..snip..

But, in regards to macro change, you do nothing. Absolutely nothing.

In totality you have a small negative affect on the causes you say are so important to you.

If you asked me a year ago what political group I associated with I would have told you I was a progressive.
I was most certainly not a libertarian or even a conservative. I was a full out far left liberal.
Now my views have taken an hard 180 degree turn a massive lurch to the right. I am not an anarchist, but my sympathies are now much much closer to anarchism.

AnonyMint's work especially his his outstanding outside writings (those not published on this forum) highlighted in the Economic Devastation thread helped me see the big picture. I had a number of the pieces floating around in my head already. I knew something was wrong with my worldview but had not figured out how to put the puzzle pieces together. I like to think I would have figured it out on my own eventually. However, I was starting from such an erroneous starting point that putting it all together without an outside catalyst would have taken me years at best.  For me AnonyMint's writings served as that catalyst. I am certain that I in turn will act as a similar catalyst for others.

In short, I profoundly and completely disagree with your statements above.
2132  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is a Madmax outcome coming before 2020? Thus do we need anonymity? on: March 25, 2014, 06:12:22 PM
They are on the path to destroy Western Civilization as we know it. This is no joke.

No - they are on a path to reclaim some of the revenue (that has been stolen from the citizens of various nation states) from the thieves who have grabbed it in the first place.
...
The only solution I see is for the priviledged class to pay their dues in the countries where they have extracted a surplus value.

Your solution will make things worse practicaldreamer. It sounds good but in reality it will gut the middle class without actually taking any wealth from the privileged.

Why this is the case is not at all obvious. However, I will try to fully explain it in my Analysis of the Banking System which I will finish writing over the next few weeks. I am pretty busy at the moment so it will probably take me a week to get each part out.




2133  Economy / Economics / Re: An Analysis of the Banking System Part I: Understanding the Parasite on: March 25, 2014, 05:44:44 AM
This is well known already.   But there's nothing parastic or deceptive about this.  Its required for liquidity.  



Any explanation of the monetary system must start with the basics. The parasitic aspects and their consequences will be fully explained in parts II and III.
2134  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: March 25, 2014, 05:31:53 AM
Finance Part I: Understanding the Parasite

Modern finance leads inevitably to decimation of the middle class and eventual systemic collapse. Understanding how and why is critical to securing a future in a dangerous era. This post is the first in a four part series designed to open your eyes and show you the dark machinery behind the glossy curtain of propaganda. Let’s take a moment to look past the lies. You may not like what you find.  

Quote from: John Kenneth Gallbraith Money: Whence it came, where it went (1975)
The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled.

To understand finance we must first understand the process of money creation. Economic textbooks cover this topic in great depth. They spoon-feed inquiring minds false conceptions of money multipliers and reserve requirements. This "official" version of money creation is clean, comforting, and concise. It is also  grossly and provably false.

Banks create money by making loans, but this process is not in any way constrained by reserves, deposits or a money multiplier. Banks do not need deposits to make loans. The idea that banks somehow lend out grandma’s savings is propaganda. Instead banks simply create money via accounting wizardry. When a bank approves a loan they simultaneously create a deposit in the borrower’s bank account and voilà new money is created. Banks do not function by lending out deposits. Instead the act of lending creates more deposits. This is the reverse of the sequence taught in almost all economic textbooks.  Banks create deposits at will.

Economic texts often state that banks are constrained by reserve requirements. This is another lie. There does exist a number called reserve requirements. However, if a bank needs more reserves these reserves are simply supplied to meet this demand. Depending on the country this is done either directly by the central bank or via interbank lending at interest rates that are suppressed by the central bank. The theory of the money multiplier is false. In reality there is a reserve multiplier. Central bank reserves are increased by a percentage of the amount money banks choose to create.

Quote from: Bank of England Bank's Monetary Analysis Directorate
In no way does the aggregate quantity of reserves directly constrain the amount of bank lending or deposit creation.

So what does limit money creation by the banking system? Primarily the banks themselves do. Individual banks have to find someone to lend to who is capable of paying them back or at least someone who has valuable assets they can seize if the loan is not paid.

The Banking Tragedy of the Commons

Modern banks are not limited by reserves. Instead, they decide how much to lend based on the profitable lending opportunities available to them. As banks have no real restraint on the printing of new money, they are prone to print excessively. Left to their own devices banks will steal too much in a banking tragedy of the commons. Banks function by harvesting the wealth and productivity of society. The wealth of individual families is the main course. Banks looking to maximize profits risk creating too much new money. This can trigger a cycle of hyperinflation where the increased supply of dollars drops the values of the currency to such an extent that people spend them as quickly as possible. This supply-velocity feedback cycle left unchecked severely undermines the value of fiat currency. The logical conclusion of such excess is abandonment of the fiat currency for an alternative like gold or perhaps someday cryptocurrency. Hyperinflation is thus banking Armageddon. It represents the destruction of their food supply and must be avoided at all cost. Banks rely on a central bank to prevent this outcome.

If a bank ever finds it needs more reserves it simply gets them from another bank. This rate of interbank lending is set by the central bank. In the US this is interbank rate is called the federal funds rate. The FED sets a target for this rate and creates or destroys money via open market operations to make sure the actual interbank rate is what they want.  It is the spread between the interbank rate and the rate a bank can loan money for that limits lending. Central banks thus raise and lower the interbank rate to maximize bank profits. If banks start to siphon too much wealth from society inflation rises. The central bank will then raise the cost of reserves to slow the rate of over-harvesting.

The newly created money travels through the system helping the early acquirers first. The purchasing power of money falls in response to an increase in the quantity of money. In the real world a hypothetical increases in the money supply by 100% does not as neoclassical economics assumes simply lead to an equal across-the-board increase of 100% in prices. The banks do not descend overnight and double everyone’s cash balance.

Quote from: Murray N. Rothbard The Austrian Theory of Money
The banks create new money to be spent on specific goods and services. The demand for these goods rises, raising these specific prices. Gradually, the new money ripples through the economy, raising demand and prices as it goes. Income and wealth are redistributed to those who receive the new money early in the process, at the expense of those who receive the new money late in the day and those on fixed incomes who receive no new money at all.

This results in redistribution from the late receivers to the early receivers of the new money. This occurs both during the inflation process as new money finishes working its way through the system and leads to permanent shifts in income and wealth that continue even after the money has reached a new equilibrium. The simplest example of this is fixed income groups who receive no new money in this process.

Finance Part I: Understanding the Parasite
Finance Part II: The Parasitic Cycle
Finance Part III: Divide, Conquer, Enslave
Finance Part IV: The Rise of Cryptocurrency (Coming Soon)

References:
McLeay M, Radia A, Thomas R. Money creation in the modern economy. Bank of England Monetary Analysis Directorate Quarterly Bulletin 2014 Q1
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q1prereleasemoneycreation.pdf
Rothbard MN. The Foundations of Modern Austrian Economics, Edwin Dolan, ed. (Kansas City: Sheed Andrews and McMeel, 1976), pp. 160-184
http://mises.org/rothbard/money.pdf

2135  Economy / Economics / Understanding the Parasite on: March 25, 2014, 05:30:00 AM
Understanding the Parasite: Finance Part I

Modern finance leads inevitably to decimation of the middle class and eventual systemic collapse. Understanding how and why is critical to securing a future in a dangerous era. This post is the first in a three part series designed to highlight the dark machinery behind the glossy curtain of finance. Let’s take a moment to look past the propaganda. You may not like what you find.

Quote from: John Kenneth Gallbraith Money: Whence it came, where it went (1975)
The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled.

To understand finance we must first understand the process of money creation. Economic textbooks cover this topic in great depth. Inquiring minds are spoon-feed conceptions of money multipliers and reserve requirements. The "official" version of money creation is clean, comforting, and concise. It is also false.

Banks create money by making loans, but this process is not in any way constrained by reserves, deposits or a money multiplier. Banks do not need deposits to make loans. The idea that banks somehow lend out grandma’s savings is propaganda. Instead banks simply create money via accounting wizardry. When a bank approves a loan they simultaneously create a deposit in the borrower’s bank account and voilà new money is created. Banks do not function by lending out deposits. Instead the act of lending creates more deposits. This is the reverse of the sequence taught in almost all economic textbooks. Banks create deposits at will.

Economic texts often state that banks are constrained by reserve requirements. This is not entirely honest. There exists a number called reserve requirements. However, if a bank needs more reserves these reserves are simply supplied to meet this need. Depending on the country this is done either directly by the central bank or via interbank lending at interest rates that are suppressed by the central bank. The theory of the money multiplier is false. In reality there is a reserve multiplier. Central bank reserves are increased by a percentage of the amount of money banks choose to create.

Quote from: Bank of England Bank's Monetary Analysis Directorate
In no way does the aggregate quantity of reserves directly constrain the amount of bank lending or deposit creation.

So what does limit money creation by the banking system? Primarily the banks themselves do. Individual banks have to find someone to lend to who is capable of paying them back or at least someone who has valuable assets they can seize if the loan is not paid.

The Banking Tragedy of the Commons

Modern banks are not limited by reserves. Instead, they decide how much to lend based on the profitable lending opportunities available to them. As banks have no real restraint on the creation of new money, they are prone to print excessively. Left to their own devices banks would flood the market with new dollars in a banking tragedy of the commons. In a hyperinflation scenario the supply of money increases so much that people start to spend it as quickly as possible. This supply-velocity feedback cycle left unchecked destroys the value of a fiat currency. The logical conclusion of such excess is abandonment of the fiat currency for an alternative like gold or perhaps someday cryptocurrency. Hyperinflation is thus banking armageddon. It represents the destruction of the system and must be avoided at all cost. Banks rely on a central bank to prevent this outcome.

If a bank ever finds it needs more reserves it simply gets them from another bank. This rate of interbank lending is set by the central bank. In the US this is interbank rate is called the federal funds rate. The FED sets a target for this rate and creates or destroys money via open market operations to make sure the actual interbank rate is what they want.  It is the spread between the interbank rate and the rate a bank can loan money that limits lending. Central banks thus raise and lower the interbank rate to maximize bank profits. Monetary creation from bank lending leads to inflation. When monetary creation becomes excessive the central bank will step in and raise the cost of reserves thus slowing the over-harvesting.

Newly created money travels through the system helping the early acquirers first. The purchasing power of money falls in response to an increase in the quantity of money. In the real world a hypothetical increases in the money supply by 100% does not as neoclassical economics assumes simply lead to an equal across-the-board increase of 100% in prices. The banks do not descend overnight and double everyone’s cash balance.

Quote from: Murray N. Rothbard The Austrian Theory of Money
The banks create new money to be spent on specific goods and services. The demand for these goods rises, raising these specific prices. Gradually, the new money ripples through the economy, raising demand and prices as it goes. Income and wealth are redistributed to those who receive the new money early in the process, at the expense of those who receive the new money late in the day and those on fixed incomes who receive no new money at all.

This results in redistribution from the late receivers to the early receivers of the new money. This occurs both during the inflation process as new money finishes working its way through the system and leads to permanent shifts in income and wealth that continue even after the money has reached a new equilibrium. The simplest example of this is fixed income groups who receive no new money in this process.

Finance Part I: Understanding the Parasite
Finance Part II: The Parasitic Cycle
Finance Part III: Divide, Conquer, Enslave


References:
McLeay M, Radia A, Thomas R. Money creation in the modern economy. Bank of England Monetary Analysis Directorate Quarterly Bulletin 2014 Q1
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q1prereleasemoneycreation.pdf
Rothbard MN. The Foundations of Modern Austrian Economics, Edwin Dolan, ed. (Kansas City: Sheed Andrews and McMeel, 1976), pp. 160-184
http://mises.org/rothbard/money.pdf
Post Edited: 1/12/17 for brevity and clarity
2136  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin environment seems toxic right now... has it felt like this before? on: March 24, 2014, 03:46:08 AM
If you think mattboldfield is my sock puppet, you are losing your sanity. Just study our writing styles. Consult an expert in writing analysis.
 

"But...but...but i changed my writing style...
i even went to the trouble of creating a fake
history... how did they figure out its me??? waaaaaah"

I have also been accused of being AnonyMint's evil sock puppet.
Boy he must sure be busy creating all these alts Roll Eyes


 
2137  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: March 23, 2014, 07:43:07 PM
Please show your calculations for a different amount of time, then.

The answer is infinity as the debt can never be paid off. It is mathamatically impossible under the current system.The debt in agregate can only grow. I will show why this is the case and why the hotel room example you cited above is wrong when I have more time.

yet Anonymint makes it sound as if the debt is akin to an expensive water leak in Fukushima Daiichi, and so requires constant work to maintain: "a heavy burden on society to maintain the status quo". But that's simply not the case. However, instead of developing a super-secret non-evolving proof-of-work crypto-coin for the elites, why not filter some of that water?

This analogy actually understates the problem. If the debt problem required only constant work to maintain society could bear it easily as society is very productive. In truth the debt problem requires an ever increasing burden on society to maintain the status quo.  
2138  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: March 23, 2014, 02:35:40 PM
The debt is simply the broad money supply. A surplus on someone's accounting books, profit, makes no difference unless it causes a loan repayment that works its way back to the central bank and causes some of those trillions to be deleted from the system.

We've had this debate already and I already won it with a slam dunk:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5654081#msg5654081

a) Your link does not show you debating definitions of debt.
b) I wasn't even in that part of the conversation, so don't make shit up.
c) Your bluff has been called. Either refute what I said by typing new words here, not link-farming, or lose gracefully for once.

AnonyMint is not arguing with you that overall debt = broad money supply that is simple fact.
What he is challenging is your claim that the current structure makes no difference unless it cause a loan repayment to work its way back up to the central bank as well as your implication that that the current debt = broad money system is fundamentally sound if properly regulated.

He is correct. The current system is unsound, unstable, and guaranteed to eventually collapse regardless of regulation. However, understanding why is not at all easy. In essence there are two overlapping cycles which I call the microparasitic and macroparasitic cycle. Banks via fractional reserve banking cause boom and bust cycles on a local level siphoning wealth in an unstable process that eventually collapses and leads to bank runs. Later on a macro level banks capture government to backstop each of these local collapses. Subsequent collapse then cause a run on government finances. Government debt grows ever larger with each micro cycle until the debt burden of government becomes unsustainable. At this point the we get asset confiscations, governmental collapse, and perhaps war.

This is just a summary not a satisfactory explanation. A full explanation requires us to wade into the swamp that is central banking, expose the common lies that are taught in many economic textbooks, and fully explore their implications. This debate has inspired me to write said explanation but it is going to be several pages long as the system is complex. Due to work obligations it may take me 2-3 weeks to get this done. Please check back.      

2139  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dark Enlightenment on: March 23, 2014, 12:46:57 AM
I haven't heard about the Dark Englightment. Where I can read more info about it?




What I like about the Dark Enlightenment (which I had actually never heard of prior to a month ago) is that it has given me a ton of outside the box thinking to look through. Each of those little dots on the map above is a blog of some sort. I am sure some of it will be garbage but there will also be gems. I have started with the political philosophy of Menicus Moldbug since he is described as the founder of the neoreactionaries (the purple section of the map). His Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations is essentially a detailed walk-through of Complaint the Third: Democracy is a failure. It's a very long but fascinating read.
2140  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Most gold coins will be clawed back due to widespread theft (Parody Version) on: March 21, 2014, 08:56:45 PM
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Mahatma Gandhi
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