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2241  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 18, 2015, 12:59:17 AM
Currently BetVIP is "C+" All ratings are going to be looked at again May 1. My personal experience has been fine with BetVIP. It's good to see other opinions.

Is your rating based on your own experience or do you include some people point of view as well? I do think the spot for Nitrogensports and casinobitcoin is not in the right spot as nitrogen has been having some complain because they are slow in processing the withdrawal and I never see any issue with casinobitco sportsbook, none complain about their sportsbook from since last month in their thread

Everyone's opinion is taken in to consideration. We need your opinion and that of others posted so that players can make their own decisions on top books and not just solely look at a grade.

How much do you weight other people opinion than your own? if this is taken into consideration , wouldnt that some sites could hire some shill to actually make some story about the site not responding to the support mail or witholding withdrawal just to make the other sites looks bad?

It's tough to quantify the weight of my opinion compared to that of others. One reason is the example that you pointed out. Another example is when Bitcoinlivebets was the number #2 book in a different rating's thread here at Bitcointalk. The ratings are based on poster votes over there.

In this thread Bitcoinlivebets was rated "D-" and predicted to go under. Bitcoinlivebets did go under and people are owed money. They may have had a lot of shill votes to get a high rating in the other rating's thread.



Fair point, but you do have to put in more weight for your own opinion compared to the other because if you put in the same weight between yours and the other opinion, it will be the same as you allowing shills to sort in the sportsbook rating


Posters open my eyes to a lot of things through their experiences and posts. One of the best things about this thread is when players post their experiences. The more that is out there, the easier it is for everyone to make their own decision. These ratings should not be the sole determinant when choosing a book.

Posters can ask books questions here. If a book doesn't answer, a link will be sent by PM to make sure they are aware of questions or accusations. The idea is to get as much information on all books in one thread. Very few, if any, can read the dedicated thread of each book.

2242  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 08:06:27 PM
2243  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 07:59:03 PM
Thanks jeremypwr, it will be added. Betcoin is another book that I like a lot.
2244  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 07:01:55 PM
Currently BetVIP is "C+" All ratings are going to be looked at again May 1. My personal experience has been fine with BetVIP. It's good to see other opinions.

Is your rating based on your own experience or do you include some people point of view as well? I do think the spot for Nitrogensports and casinobitcoin is not in the right spot as nitrogen has been having some complain because they are slow in processing the withdrawal and I never see any issue with casinobitco sportsbook, none complain about their sportsbook from since last month in their thread

Everyone's opinion is taken in to consideration. We need your opinion and that of others posted so that players can make their own decisions on top books and not just solely look at a grade.

How much do you weight other people opinion than your own? if this is taken into consideration , wouldnt that some sites could hire some shill to actually make some story about the site not responding to the support mail or witholding withdrawal just to make the other sites looks bad?

It's tough to quantify the weight of my opinion compared to that of others. One reason is the example that you pointed out. Another example is when Bitcoinlivebets was the number #2 book in a different rating's thread here at Bitcointalk. The ratings are based on poster votes over there.

In this thread Bitcoinlivebets was rated "D-" and predicted to go under. Bitcoinlivebets did go under and people are owed money. They may have had a lot of shill votes to get a high rating in the other rating's thread.



2245  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 02:55:14 PM
Reminder- Books must keep their discussion to their own book. There is no criticizing of another book. This is done to keep away from a book vs. book war. Players can talk about anything.
2246  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)
NitrogenSports A (2012)

"B"rated books
Betcoinsports B (2013)
Casinobitcoin B (2013)
Jetwin B (2013)
Cloudbet B- (2013)

"C" rated books
BetVIP C+(2014)
Fairlay C (2014)
Betmoose C- (2014)
BetOWI C- (2014)
OLEBitcoin C- (2013)*
Predictious C- (2013)

"D" rated books
Premiumtradings D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
Betbtc D (2014)
BTCBook D (2014)

"F" rated books
Asianconnect F ....................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014).............accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

NR
altbetfair.com
betbanks.com
betkurus.com
bitsportsbook.org
Coin178.com
Flutterclub.com
Planetofbets.com
tdsports.com
xbet.io


* longer accepting cash deposits

Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing players
2247  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 02:39:39 PM
BetBTC - Your interface looks great. The negative is that you need more liquidity. Other exchanges offer more markets. Another thing is that there isn't much feedback at bitcointalk concerning BetBTC.

We just hit 10k bets and our website is much more active since we implemented the API.

You should take a look soon Roll Eyes

Will do and keep us updated on anything new. Longevity still keeps BetBTC out of the C's. It's best to take a cautious approach with ratings.

edit- The same goes for all books. Feel free to post on anything new.
2248  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 02:31:31 PM
Currently BetVIP is "C+" All ratings are going to be looked at again May 1. My personal experience has been fine with BetVIP. It's good to see other opinions.

Is your rating based on your own experience or do you include some people point of view as well? I do think the spot for Nitrogensports and casinobitcoin is not in the right spot as nitrogen has been having some complain because they are slow in processing the withdrawal and I never see any issue with casinobitco sportsbook, none complain about their sportsbook from since last month in their thread

Everyone's opinion is taken in to consideration. We need your opinion and that of others posted so that players can make their own decisions on top books and not just solely look at a grade.
2249  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 17, 2015, 12:41:16 PM
Currently BetVIP is "C+" All ratings are going to be looked at again May 1. My personal experience has been fine with BetVIP. It's good to see other opinions.
2250  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 15, 2015, 09:29:07 PM
BetBTC - Your interface looks great. The negative is that you need more liquidity. Other exchanges offer more markets. Another thing is that there isn't much feedback at bitcointalk concerning BetBTC.
2251  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 15, 2015, 09:25:03 PM
I've been using Fairlay and think they should be upgraded from "C-" to "C". If the grades weren't step by step, they should be higher but don't want to set any precedents. Any disagreements with the updrade? It will take a few voices to squash the upgrade.
Fairlay raised to "C"
2252  Economy / Gambling / Re: Best Sportsbook on: April 15, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
I will use Baseball as a comparison as one must have 10 cent lines (spread between favorite and underdog) to be considered good odds.


Fairlay.com seems to have less than 10 cent baseball lines, at least on games that are starting soon! They are an exchange.

CasinoBitco.in has 10 cent baseball lines!

Bitbook.ie has 10 cent baseball lines!

webetcoins.com has 10 cent baseball lines!

NitrogenSports has more like 13 cent baseball lines.

Jetwin.com has between 13 and 15 cent lines.

CloudBet.com has 15+ cent lines.

Anonibet.com has 15+ cent lines.

Betcoin.ag has 15+ cent lines.

Betvip.com has 15+ cent lines.

betcoinsports.com has 18+ cent lines.

DirectBet.eu has 20+ cent lines! Whoever is recommending them in this thread is not being truthful - at least about their odds - at least about their baseball odds. Their NBA odds are also very bad. Can someone check their soccer odds?


This is a good list. One thing that may be worth mentioning is that some of the books use graduated lines and others break at a certain point. For instance, Nitrogen has a 10 cent graduated line. They keep approximately the same hold. A line of -140/+130 has a higher theoretical hold than -105/-105.

Some books are better for the NBA and other books may be better for baseball. Webetcoins owes players money and it's best to stay away.

Some good books:

"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)
NitrogenSports A (2012)

"B"rated books
Betcoinsports B (2013)
Casinobitcoin B (2013)
Jetwin B (2013)
Cloudbet B- (2013)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0
2253  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 14, 2015, 03:01:26 AM
I've been using Fairlay and think they should be upgraded from "C-" to "C". If the grades weren't step by step, they should be higher but don't want to set any precedents. Any disagreements with the updrade? It will take a few voices to squash the upgrade.

What is your criteria for ranks and why have you ranked BetBTC with a D  Huh

Since the first day, all our users are pretty happy with the service provided and there are absolutelly zero complaints to date.

If you have any questions or sugestions about it I would surelly take some time to discuss with you, I just can't understand how you attribute a D rank without arguments. (do you even have account with us? )




 BetBTC - It takes 3 months to have a "C-" rating or above. I'll definitely start playing with you now that you've been in business over 3 months. Is there anyone currently using BetBTC?


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Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing players
2254  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 09, 2015, 08:33:03 PM
I've been using Fairlay and think they should be upgraded from "C-" to "C". If the grades weren't step by step, they should be higher but don't want to set any precedents. Any disagreements with the updrade? It will take a few voices to squash the upgrade.
2255  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 06, 2015, 07:42:17 PM
More fun stuff from Nitrogen. If any other books have something going on for tonight's NCAA final, post it.

https://nitrogensports.eu/blog/march-madness-championship/

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It’s Wisconsin vs Duke in the finals, and we’re here with live lines on tonight’s game! That’s right, you can bet live tonight throughout the game at Nitrogen Sports.

Looking for a little extra betting power? Here’s how you can earn free bets tonight at Nitrogen:

Chat trivia is starting this afternoon at 4:00 pm ET and will run intermittently until tip-off. Win free bets by correctly answering trivia questions about your favourite College Basketball teams!
#BuzzerBeater: Earn a free .01 btc bet by sharing your favourite buzzer beater on Twitter before 9:00 pm ET. Use #BuzzerBeater #Nitrogen, and we’ll follow you so you can DM us your Nitrogen user number. We’ll add a free bet to your account, and you’ll be automatically entered in a draw for a .2 btc free bet, which will be announced at tip-off! (Limit one entry per user.)
Pre-game Parlay Challenge: Share a betslip on Twitter or Facebook with a parlay of any MLB game, and tonight’s NCAAb finals! All entries with the #NitrogenSports will be entered in a draw for a free bet for .1 btc, which will be drawn at tip-off. (No minimum bet size; limit one entry per user.)
LIVE betting challenge: Share a betslip that’s been placed during the first half of the game at Nitrogen, and use #NitrogenSports. You’ll be entered in a draw to win a free bet for .2 btc! The draw will be at the beginning of the half time break, so you’ll be able to use that massive free bet during the second half! (No minimum bet size; limit one entry per user.)
We’ll be giving away over 1 btc in free bets tonight! Get yours at Nitrogen Sports!
2256  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 06, 2015, 07:41:23 PM
Thanks. Will look into it.
2257  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 05, 2015, 08:00:26 PM
Nitrogen will have live lines up for the NCAA final game between Wisc and Duke. plus

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Win a free bet for 0.2 btc this week!
We're down to the Final Four and the NBA playoffs are right around the corner. Share your favourite buzzer-beating shot of all time on Twitter before the tip-off of Monday's Championship game (9:00 pm ET, April 6th). Use #BuzzerBeater #Nitrogen, and win a 0.01 btc free bet! Submissions will also be entered in a draw to win a free bet of 0.2 btc!
2258  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 05, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
A link to this thread will be sent to Asianconnect in case they would like to reply.
2259  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 05, 2015, 07:44:35 PM
AsianConnect not only confiscates winnings, but they also keep the deposits.



Isn't all those cases because the person was a bonuswhore though?  Thats what i read.   As long as you don't accept a bonus, then this won't happen.  In those 6 cases, did each player request a bonus then cashout immediately?  

Some were bonus abuse although it's he said, she said on others. Asianconnect has refused arbitration. While I can't confirm the validity of the following posts it is known that Asianconnect has not only confiscated winnings, but they have confiscated deposits.

Damakhun
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Not the OP but I can answer. Most of it behind the scenes. They have attempted to rob multiple players who were silenced and don't say jack because they are on payment plans. Be VERY careful of having large money with them. Seem to be okay for small players but not an out you want to have a balance that is worth jacking with.

lucumbs28
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yes i can confirm this as being true.

furthermore, it's not good to post a lot of this on sbr because that could potentially hurt sbr's relationship with asian connect. their upper management act like 12 year olds and they would be upset if they saw a lot of negative threads about them on the forum. that could make it more difficult for sbr to negotiate on players' behalf in the future.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/2967115-there-problem-asianconnect-not-able-connect.html
2260  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: April 05, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
Update to reflect "NR" books no longer in existence.

"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)
NitrogenSports A (2012)

"B"rated books
Betcoinsports B (2013)
Casinobitcoin B (2013)
Jetwin B (2013)
Cloudbet B- (2013)

"C" rated books
BetVIP C+(2014)
Betmoose C- (2014)
BetOWI C- (2014)
Fairlay C- (2013)
OLEBitcoin C- (2013)*
Predictious C- (2013)

"D" rated books
Premiumtradings D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
Betbtc D (2014)
BTCBook D (2014)

"F" rated books
Asianconnect F ....................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014).............accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

NR
altbetfair.com
betbanks.com
betkurus.com
bitsportsbook.org
Coin178.com
Flutterclub.com
Planetofbets.com
tdsports.com
xbet.io


* longer accepting cash deposits

Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing players

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