I am curious with directbet.eu. Why only "D"? I thought they are one of the best sports books in the bitcoin world. Can you please explain the reason why you gave them a low rating?
Three players are owed money from DirectBet. Two players were accused of double spend attempts. DirectBet hasn't showed proof that the accused players tried to double spend. DirectBet's rules state that once a bet is confirmed that it stands. A player had his bet confirmed and it was graded a win. DirectBet refused to pay out the player. DirectBet's lines aren't competitive. Some wagers aren't accepted/rejected until after the game starts. There can be a delay. Even though most have no problems with DirectBet, even long term players, the reasons above show why DirectBet is inferior when compared to other books and that should be reflected in their grade. The most glaring weakness is that there model will cause other players not to be paid, it's inevitable. edit- The following post by robinH states their flaws more succinctly and accurately than I did. |
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Update: "A" rated booksnitrogensports.eu A+ (2012) "B"rated booksbetcoinsports.com B+ (2013) jetwin.ps B (2013) bitcoinrush.io B (2013) "C" rated books) cloudbet.com C (2013) "D" rated booksanonibet.com D+ (2011) coinbet24.com D (2016) lunarbets.eu D (2016) directbet.eu D- (2014) sportsbet.io D- (2016) Exchangesbetbtc.co (2014) fairlay.com (2014)
Prediction Markets
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com (2013)
"F" rated books
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F
BetVIP - closed 6/12/15
Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
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Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays. DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation. A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future. Betcoin is currently untrusted and had their bid to advertise on this forum rejected by Theymos due to negative reputation. Beginning this week, members who promote Betcoin will likely receive negative trust for doing so. Go watch their forum and chat room if you're interested in reading about payout delays and other issues with sportsbook. Read their trust feedback if you want to know what a scummy site they are in general. TwitchySeal - You've added a lot of pertinent and useful information to this thread but one question, why did you say that about Theymos? I took a look into your post since you've been critical of Betcoinsports in the past. OgNasty has a trust rating of 290. He joined in 2011 and is part of the Betcoin.ag signature campaign. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321 Summary - OgNasty Picture/Text
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Peeps, how about downgrading nitrogensports? They are making it difficult for jtp1109 to withdraw his bitcoins. Coming up with the stupidest excuses possible. Their behaviour is shady as hell. This is a link to the scam accusation : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571870.0robinH - I've been keeping an eye on this thread and it seems as though this is normal protocol that was put into place as a security measure. Major sportsbooks deal with hacking attempts and fraudulent activity on a daily basis. Some delays are understandable when large sums are involved. Is there anything that you would like asked of Nitrogen? I'll ask them if they can come in here to respond. If the player gives me permission to look into his case, I'd be happy to go over it. Here's a post by Nitrogen concerning this case. We would like to shed some light on the recent posting by jtp1109.
The user in question has been a loyal member of our site, and a very highly valued one, for some time. Recently our securities team introduced a new measure which places TEMPORARY locks on any account that has received large credits in the past 24 hours. This measure affects every user the same and is activated any time a credit this large is given (whether as a bonus, payout for a misgrade, bounty, affiliate payment etc.).
As one of our highest volume players, and somebody who would be impacted by this change in security policy, this user was notified of the changes immediately. We fully understand that this may not be the most convenient arrangement for users, but do view it as necessary to ensure security. The fact of the matter remains very few sportsbooks even come close to the flexibility we offer, especially in circumstances such as this.
We apologize for some initial miscommunication with our support team: as mentioned, the 24 hour lock is a relatively new measure, and accounts can be locked for many reasons. All team members are fully aware of the new security measures and we hope there won’t be any further miscommunication on the issue.
The account being unable to withdraw prior to his credit appears to have been as a result of the unconfirmed micro-deposit on his account. Unconfirmed bitcoin has not yet truly arrived at its destination, and our system cannot, therefore, allow users to withdraw bitcoin that hasn't been confirmed 100% as being in our wallets yet. These micro-deposits did not come from Nitrogen as claimed by the user; we have never, and would never send bitcoin to a user via deposit. For any such credit we use our own internal system. This can be corroborated by the fact that none of the wallet addresses sending these transactions belong to Nitrogen.
All in all, this amounts to an unfortunate misunderstanding with a long-time and loyal user. Unfortunately, due to the sums of bitcoin he plays with, he has been somewhat inconvenienced by a security policy which most users will never be affected by. This policy has been made clear to him on multiple occasions, by multiple members of our support staff, and at these times he has been given alternate options to aid him in avoiding what has been, for him, a frustrating process. Each time he has declined our offer. We have not seized or debited funds from this user, but rather was crediting him. At the time of this posting he has been notified via support and his account is open and unlocked and he is welcome to do as he wishes with his account and balance.
Although we cannot share account specifics, which have not been publicly aired by the user in question, we hope that our response provides some insight into this unfortunate situation and sheds some light on our perspective.
Thanks,
Mike
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Cloudbet has problems every weekend and it's reflected in their "C" rating. Many of the complaints are posted in this thread. Cloudbet hasn't stolen any money from their players. If I send a PM to Cloudbet they will answer all questions. If asked, they will reply in this thread. All of their problems are with delays. DirectBet's margins are the highest of all books. DirectBet has stolen funds from 3 different players. They won't show proof of problems and they state that their decision is final. If a book is going to confiscate funds, they need to show solid proof justifying the confiscation. A major purpose of this thread is to warn players of books that may not pay out. DirectBet's model is set up so that others will lose money in the future. |
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Just looking at the front page table - Bitcoin Rush must be up for over 2 years now?
They opened in 2013 under the URL casinobitco.in |
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Everyone is going to rank books differently and each person should play at books that best fit their needs. The ratings in this thread are just a guide. Warnings have been given in this thread to a few books that went under. We need input from all to help with this guide.
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Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?
When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.
You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive. Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league: Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints. Using the top book Nitrogen: 2.247 - A bettor that placed a $100 wager and won would have won $10 more at Nitrogen than DirectBet. 1.215 2.297 |
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Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?
When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.
You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive. Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league: Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints. its looks like Peeps Place paid by one of the top lists book , if i have to make a speculation like what Peeps Place did  lol you Peeps Place There's no speculation. What would you like proved and what evidence would you like used showing thet DirectBet's odds aren't competitive? |
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Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?
When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.
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Not sure if Hungerstyle is innocent, but I am sure that Directbet is guilty of handling this situation very poorly. Feel free to repost this wherever if anyone likes.
Last fall for about a month maybe 1 out of every 20 transactions from my electrum wallet were showing up as double spends and it was completely unintentional (eventually realized i needed to update software) There were no big problems because they were all involving individuals or sites that require 1 confirmation. In the end, one would confirm and the other was eventually deleted from the block chain. If I had deposited on DirectBet, could I have ended up getting freerolled like Hungerstyle? There are two still in my Betcoin transaction history with invalid transaction ids:  This transaction is unknown.
You might have used wrong transaction hash, or the transaction you're looking for hasn't yet propagated through the network. It can take a while for transactions to get to blockchain nodes. My point is, obviously I don't think any site can justify not paying out a winning bet after the fact because of a double unconfirmed transaction and a suspicion. If they have enough evidence to justify seizing 36 bitcoin from a player, they should be prepared to defend their decision to the player and the public (if player chooses to make it public) Can't just say "fuck this guy, I think he's trying to scam us" and expect to maintain a reputation.
Have you tried to double-spend?
If yes and there are proves, everything seems legit (except you)
Does your comment reflect how BetBTC would handle a similar situation? Here is the post by TwitchySeal |
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What's stopping this guy, or anyone, from literally just buying a new laptop, using a new connection with clean btc and committing double spend after double spend against them?
How about releasing a tutorial on how to freeroll directbet?
Nothing.
DirectBet needs to fix this before innocent players end up paying for their exploitable system.
You can't accidentally double spend can you? Outside of outright fraud and lying by the bookmaker, you're not going to innocently find yourself caught up in some double spend argument. I was paid out another 500 Eth this morning - https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=0x7e368a14f7c7ff74e91a26e3ad3cb85d073c17a3 - it managed to land back in my account without any freezing of the money, double spend allegations, or any other silliness. Just like all my other 5 figure payouts did. I'd love to see proof of the scam attempts on DirectBet but you need to accept that showing proof sometimes just makes no sense from their side. A double spend attempt may show due to your wallet without you trying to do so. DirectBet amitted this. Another thing is the player claims that both transactions aren't from him. He made a bet that was rejected and confiscated. Another person tried a double spend. DirectBet won't prove they are the same person. If you win $20k USD the top books will pay you. There's a chance that DirectBet may show a transaction that was a double spend and blame the double spend on you. Then they can confiscate your $20k. |
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DirectBet doesn't want to be on this service because their odds aren't competitive.
The first part is fact; the second is nothing more than speculation. I run a web business (nothing to do with gambling). I wouldn't let comparison sites scrape my site either, as I don't think there is any real benefit to being on a site like that, having you chewing up my bandwidth and sending me the worst quality of customers. Rampage - I don't want to keep picking on DirectBet but I pay $375/month for a line service and can see the lines live without any delay from many books. DirectBet's odds aren't worth playing at. |
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I'm not trying to deter anyone from playing at DirectBet. If you like them, then by all means play there. The posts are made to justify their rating since there is a lot of talk concerning DirectBet.
If there is a problem at Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin, Bitcoinrush, CloudBet and some others, they will show evidence of all problems relating to the sportsbook.
DirectBet's answer is our decision is final. If DirectBet isn't going to show contradictory evidence, then the complaints and betting slips are the determinants when deriving a rating.
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"A" rated booksnitrogensports.eu A+ (2012) "B"rated booksbetcoinsports.com B+ (2013) jetwin.ps B (2013) bitcoinrush.io B (2013) "C" rated books) cloudbet.com C (2013) "D" rated booksanonibet.com D+ (2011) coinbet24.com D (2016) lunarbets.eu D (2016) directbet.eu D- (2014) sportsbet.io D- (2016) Exchangesbetbtc.co (2014) fairlay.com (2014)
Prediction Markets
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com (2013)
"F" rated books
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F
BetVIP - closed 6/12/15
Maximum grade based upon time in business:
A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
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Very few outside of bitcointalk are going have DirectBet as there go to book. DirectBet's odds aren't competitive.
You lose credibility when you post nonsense like this. A couple of random games from today: Direct Bet: spurs - 4.2 - $100 pays out $420 atletico - 1.8 pays out $180 Paddy Power: spurs - 16/5 - pays out $420 atletico - 5/6 - pays out $183 Direct Bet: Bremen - 2.22 - $100 pays out $222 Bets - 2.8 - $100 pays out $280 Paddy Power: Bremen - 13/10 - $100 pays out $230 Betis - 13/8 - $262 Direct Bet are looking competitive for me here, no? There's a new line service that is out. DirectBet doesn't want to be on this service because their odds aren't competitive. Directbet don't want to be added at this time. My guess is because users will clearly and easy see the difference. Otherwise we could add them relatively fast. |
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Very few outside of bitcointalk are going have DirectBet as there go to book. DirectBet's odds aren't competitive. Sophisticated players don't play at "best available odds".
Many times DirectBet only offers bets on one side. If you play best available you may be getting +300 when you should be getting +800 since DirectBet's odds are the same as an exchange that they clone adding more take.
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Your bet was at 1.39 odds so most of the money is from you, not winnings paid out by DirectBet.
Sure it was from me but it was in their hands - if they wanted to they could have kept the full lot. They didn't, which makes me think anyone crying about a small wager being stolen from them... they're not telling us the full story. The onus isn't on the players in this thread to prove anything. The books should be answering to us and DirectBet refuses to do that.
You're a random 3rd party, Direct Bet are a major BTC bookmaker. They don't owe you an explanation at all. DirectBet is a very small book with almost all of their customers on bitcointalk. Nitrogen and Betcoinsports are much bigger and are well known outside of bitcointalk. If all other books are going to work with players in this thread and DirectBet isn't going to answer to anyone, then the books that are willing to work with players will be rated higher. |
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I'm not going to pay too much notice to someone crying they got scammed out of 100 or so Ether when they're paying me out 10 times that. Why didn't they just scam me?
Whats the DirectBet response to this scam accusation?
seriously? I can see first hand they process 5 figure payments near instantly. I can see some single random guy saying they've not paid him 100 Ether. There is a complete lack of (legit) scam complaints surrounding DirectBet, and my own experiences show them to be honest. So why wouldn't I continue to bet there? I'm happy to listen if anyone points me to some credible evidence I shouldn't play there. Right now I can't see that (outside of a couple of likely double spenders) Your bet was at 1.39 odds so most of the money is from you, not winnings paid out by DirectBet. The onus isn't on the players in this thread to prove anything. The books should be answering to us and DirectBet refuses to do that. |
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DirectBet confiscated money from 3 different players claiming double spend and they have no proof. One player was paid a week or so later. Two haven't been paid.
DirectBet refused to pay out on a bet that they confirmed. They haven't paid 3 players and their model is open to more problems. The amount of players paid doesn't make up for those not paid.
1. The have the largest hold (margins) of all books.
2. They haven't paid 3 players.
3. They refuse to answer questions.
4. It's not if, it's when will DirectBet take money again from a player that's unjustified. They have flaws that need to be fixed.
The 4 points above are huge negatives when rating DirectBet.
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