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2281  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2019, 07:08:50 AM



Bullish? Roll Eyes
2282  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuse DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 19, 2019, 06:41:53 AM



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ultofresto
Mak013
Zuzma
z0n0
american911
MaoChao
G.Butryk
madnessteat
WhiteManWhite
DabLjat
3meek
Roman_P
kzv
Polkeins
mak013
TheFuzzStone
BITpashaCOIN
4ff
AlphaOM

I just hope that the two moderators, which are included by theymos, are staying away from all this folk.
2283  Other / Meta / Re: Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT on: January 19, 2019, 06:33:53 AM
Don't forget:
1. Colluding.
2. Leaving fake negative ratings <- I'm pushing the bar with this as many people are self-censoring themselves and not acting on it.
2284  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: January 19, 2019, 06:31:19 AM
Go there and explain them that trust system is not "like" system.
Those who try to understand already know it:
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.msg49293624#msg49293624
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49274368#msg49274368

Therefore I believe the conflict will be settled through a constructive dialogue after a while.
Nothing will be settled until they actually stop abusing the system and/or acting childish in response to criticism IMO.
2285  Economy / Reputation / Re: LoyceV vs DdmrDdmr (and get your own Merit graph) on: January 18, 2019, 10:29:58 PM
Oh damn! BOT TIME!!!
Not really: it takes a fraction of a second to extract the data, but about 10 minutes to create and post the graph. I'll need some more scripting before I process the requests (tomorrow).
Where is data sourced from? What is being used to create the graph? The later shouldn't take that long.
2286  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 18, 2019, 10:28:18 PM
Currently, I noticed with myself that I can only go to depth level 2 when using hierarchical view.  If I try to view either depth level 3 or 4 on hierarchical view, then I get a loading error (the page will not load).  Maybe too much data if viewed on depth level 3 or 4?
Yes, I found that too.
Yeah, I did a bunch of testing with trust before the DT changes. I assume that with the massively increased number of DefaultTrust members, depth 3 has already exceeded the threshold.
It's a sign that we already have too many people in there. I can't imagine how it's going to be later if it keeps increasing a lot. You'd probably be able to do all sorts of nasty stuff for quite some time before someone picks up on it (assuming you stay hidden in the trash sections).
2287  Other / Archival / Re: Mikeywith abused his trust system. on: January 18, 2019, 10:17:32 PM
This would be the first case of someone getting tagged because they did not report their original account being hacked AFAIK. I'm not sure whether I agree with this.

Also why is the discussion going into the direction of the validity of the method that the user is selling? That's not what the rating is about.
2288  Economy / Reputation / Re: A boycott of replies to the recent extensive trolling by cryptohunter on: January 18, 2019, 09:46:01 PM
Where does one find a priest of the Cult of Lauda to confess my sins? I'm engaging with that asshat again.  Roll Eyes
Here. Pick one:



Scampuzz just didn't update the image yet, the numbers have doubled (or even tripled) since last time. Cheesy
2289  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list on: January 18, 2019, 08:12:11 PM
Thanks...
This is my first-time interaction with "GrumpyKitty" Cheesy
Be cautious. My underground aliases are also Psycho Bitch and  Catbat.

and yes I'm not DT material :v
I am not clicking on this. Cheesy
2290  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuse DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 18, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
This forum is abused by individuals who have gained trust via fake or longer accumulation. It seems that once these individuals have gotten to a certain trust reach they feel as if they now magically are allowed to abuse that power to deliberately abusing new members and leaving negative feedback on others without any valid reason. The individuals I'm talking about are the ones we spoken to on this forum, most of which we've never even heard of until out of randomly someone leaves us negative feedback just because they felt like it, and the mods barely even listen, clearly they are doing this and you can see, the weird thing is that each time we started.a thread about these individuals, the mods removed it, yet they let these individuals go around leaving people negative feedback and calling others names. This isn't acceptable, like you seriously need to grow up...and what's going on with the extortion attempt? I want in...
Maybe you are just mad that you scams have failed, maybe? Cheesy
2291  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT-1 looking for local language posters to add to my trust-list on: January 18, 2019, 07:37:16 PM
Good idea, but I can't submit an application for my local board, because I don't have tagged 100+ Cheesy
when I found a member who breaks the rules(i.e: hardcore spammer, copy paste/plagiarism, merit abuse) I only report by PM to DT Members(marlboroza *very fast responds) or local moderator, IMO: my trust feedback will not effect because I'm not a DT Member
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048166.msg46892627#msg46892627
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088702.msg49123340#msg49123340
You need to start tagging yourself (regardless of your status) so others can assess your judgement. As it standsnow you're not DT material.
2292  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuse DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 18, 2019, 07:35:55 PM
1)   Publicly conspiring to overthrow the DT system with other users, which would effectively set free thousands of scammers.  - theymos has already concluded that "that topic is highly analogous to the English discussions. The main addition is that they're looking to get more local representation in DT1, which is very reasonable."
Theymos is no longer the only the decision maker, that's the whole point of the new system. I strongly disagree with his assesment of your collusion.

2) Leaves useless positive ratings to their friends.  Where? Show me any....  a straight up lie, Lauda
Yeah, no.

3) Possible trust farming.  --->  projection  Lauda's conscience onto me.
Nope.

Got so bad, attempting to strike a balance I had to left a couple of red comments in her profile and build my own DT0 which, currently, looks like as follows
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HostFat
cryptohunter
shorena
Quickseller
Immature adults reacting as immature adults usually do. I have not expected anything more from you.
2293  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuse DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 18, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
Can you list them?
The two moderators and chimk. There was someone else but the name escapes me now (I was thinking Alex_Sr but he seems to be bombarded with exclusions).
What? The other moderator (not xandry) has no business in DT IMO.

How does this relate to the number of messages in the locale? Directly connected! Number of posts in Russian locale: 4 095 224 Posts.
Great achivement, you have 3-4 million shitposts.
2294  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuse DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 18, 2019, 07:02:15 PM
You thinking that something is not a good reason =/= something actually not being a good reason.
The charge of abusing the trust system is a very serious one. There is such a thing as a proof.
Are you ready to cite abuse proofs for each user included in this list? If you are not ready - it's pointless conversation.
I don't need to do anything. People are free to exclude you for even the remote suspicion of any collusion/abuse. From what I've seen so far in that section, you are doing both.

By my count you have three or four DT2 members. I have re-added chimk who got excluded earlier and I believe he would make a good DT member and seems to be willing to learn how things work.
Can you list them?
2295  Other / Meta / Re: TMAN abuse DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future on: January 18, 2019, 06:50:33 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but to summarize: You believe TMAN is abusing DT for excluding people he believes are abusing DT?
He being a member of the list DT1 publicly encouraged other list members to remove all honored users of Russian local boards are not having any good reason. The result of his actions is presented in my 1 post.
If you think this behavior is normal for a DT1 member, I don't think so.
You thinking that something is not a good reason =/= something actually not being a good reason.
2296  Other / Meta / Re: Meta posting - summa cum Lauda (sic) on: January 18, 2019, 06:10:31 PM
>..<
Are you still the hot topic that has replaced nerits, or have we moved on to DT?
I need to stay ahead of this, the problem is that I've run out of legitimate reports and have nobody to tag ATM. Cheesy

I'm tempted to run a book on the next one, but I can't work out the odds. The options seem to be
- TMAN
-snip-
Maybe in the Russian section.
2297  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: January 18, 2019, 04:40:58 PM
But of course TMAN is the bad guy here for bringing this all up!
Very very bad man.

They probably didn't read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
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List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists

Going to check other accounts listed in topic.

Update:
-snip-
It's very clear that some of these folk are intentionally creating counter-lists, which alone makes them untrustworthy  (even if you ignore all the thread stuff).
2298  Other / Meta / Re: Meta posting - summa cum Lauda (sic) on: January 18, 2019, 04:38:09 PM
I thought I would bump this thread, as there isn't enough drama on Meta these days. Smiley
There is, it's just in another section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099172.
2299  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: January 18, 2019, 01:10:00 PM
Honestly I don't see a problem with the Russian section trying to gain some political power--or at least it doesn't surprise me--but creating trust lists that include QS and cryptohunter is just idiotic.  That's not the right way to go about getting a member onto DT in my opinion.
I could understand the emotional response and excluding me thereafter, but adding those two out of spite is just very childish. DT material for sure. Roll Eyes
2300  Other / Meta / Re: Massive abuse in the Russian section. on: January 18, 2019, 12:28:06 PM
1)I didn't ask about that here. I wrote that I asked about trust system on Russian thread 2 days ago, not here.
You clearly have a hard time expressing yourself in this language.

2)This is not my business to judge that TheFuzzstone received feedback legitimate or not, I just mentioned on Russian thread that that was strange that so many people sent ~ for him, because they didn't even know that he exist, just when he was mentioned on thread these people sent him ~. They really so well know him for a few moments and then gave him ~? Did they do that for their will?  Without pressure?
He should NOT be in DT and that is why people who see him exclude him. It'a as simple as that. Nobody can pressure you to exclude anyone, if they explicitly did then they would be painted red and removed.

3)It's more of a philosophical and language moment. I don't know what is more proper "people or cult".
Cult.

4)This is not lesson about Sulla. This is this is rather a hint that this thread is more like the massacre of a political opponent than the establishment of the essence of the point of Russian thread about trust system and the list in the beginning of the thread similar to the proscription, like the order for the elimination of competitors.
If any of you consider yourself analogous to "political opponents", then it is very clear to me that none of you deserve to be anywhere close to DT.

now just to confirm the exclusions were made as a preemptive measure by me and some innocent people quite possibly have got grouped in with others, but checking my un-trusted tags there is enough proof that members of that community are not fit to be on DT especially TheFuzzstone who had malicious intent to game the system and has resorted to retaliatory negs over this - the guys who are sitting back and letting this play out are the ones who are in with a much better chance of having the exclusions removed.
Which is alright. Those preemptive exclusions harm nobody unless they have mallicious intentions.
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