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2341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 15, 2014, 04:00:49 PM
Say there are 10 dollars in existence. Alice owns 2, bob owns 5, and charlie owns 3. If alice throws her 2 dollars in the volcano, than there are only 8 dollars left in existance. Those 8 dollars are now chasing all of the exact same goods and services in the real economy as the previous 10. That means they will buy 20% more things and are 20% more valuable. A given dollar, all things being equal, has been made 20% more valuable than it was before. Measured in the value of dollars previous to alice throwing her dollars in the volcano, he has become 1 dollar wealthier (5*0.2=1).  Measured in the value of dollars previous to alice throwing her dollars in the volcano charlie has become $0.6 wealthier.

Of course the actual numbers are $1.25 and $0.75 wealthier (for the numbers to add up to $10). Otherwise your example would prove his point and not yours Wink

Yes you are right. 3/8*2=0.75 and 5/8*2=1.25. The point, however, still remains exactly the same.
2342  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 15, 2014, 03:44:43 PM
there's a little bit of what looks like delaminating on the bottom of the screen on my trezor. it looks like a little bubble under the screen. is this because there is a protective sticker that i can just peel off or is it something else?

I have two, trezor classics with this issue, also one has a nick on the bubble. I just ordered a third, I am wondering if it's just a bad batch or what, but it's super disappointing.


The protective layer of plastic over the whole front was removed, it's almost like their is a screen protector on the screen, under the frame.

Sounds like waterproofing.

I see the same thing on my Trezor but honestly I don't know why people are complaining.

True, the screen does not look perfectly clear or uniform when the device is off.  But when you're using it, it does not interfere at all with the display.  It's a very very minor cosmetic issue.

If it continues to delaminate than it could become a problem very quickly.
2343  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 15, 2014, 05:22:37 AM
I can go around the house and find thin usb cords and it wont work, then i plug in thick ones and it does. People all the time talking about how they had to buy powered usb hubs. The evidence fits very well.

Mine works flawlessly on an unpowered USB hub shared with 2 other devices (webcam and memory card reader),

interesting.
2344  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 15, 2014, 04:05:20 AM
My Trezor pretty much never connects the first time I plug it in and go to mytrezor.com. I have to unplug/plug it back in multiple times before it finally connects. It usually just freezes at the "loading" part. Anyone else have the problem?  Love the device, but this is extremely annoying.

these things seem to really push the limits of what can be powered by usb. it seems the vast majority of issues can be attributed to insufficient power supply. with me, i had to switch to a thicker usb cable because the thinner one was causing too much electrical resistance so its possible that this could be your problem.

There's no way this thing takes even 250 ma unless there's a short. I'd measure mine but I had to sell it.

http://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00ICR1UB6

I can go around the house and find thin usb cords and it wont work, then i plug in thick ones and it does. People all the time talking about how they had to buy powered usb hubs. The evidence fits very well.
2345  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 15, 2014, 03:33:52 AM
My Trezor pretty much never connects the first time I plug it in and go to mytrezor.com. I have to unplug/plug it back in multiple times before it finally connects. It usually just freezes at the "loading" part. Anyone else have the problem?  Love the device, but this is extremely annoying.

these things seem to really push the limits of what can be powered by usb. it seems the vast majority of issues can be attributed to insufficient power supply. with me, i had to switch to a thicker usb cable because the thinner one was causing too much electrical resistance so its possible that this could be your problem.
2346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 15, 2014, 12:08:12 AM
So its just do you want to donate to adam specifically, or to everyone who owns bitcoin?
Ummmm...  No.  Was it a trick question?


Say there are 10 dollars in existence. Alice owns 2, bob owns 5, and charlie owns 3. If alice throws her 2 dollars in the volcano, than there are only 8 dollars left in existance. Those 8 dollars are now chasing all of the exact same goods and services in the real economy as the previous 10. That means they will buy 20% more things and are 20% more valuable. A given dollar, all things being equal, has been made 20% more valuable than it was before. Measured in the value of dollars previous to alice throwing her dollars in the volcano, he has become 1 dollar wealthier (5*0.2=1).  Measured in the value of dollars previous to alice throwing her dollars in the volcano charlie has become $0.6 wealthier.
2347  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 11:03:04 PM
Some feedback: I don't think it makes sense to have a repeat password requirement when logging into your trezor account because if you do accidentally mistype a character the account that it opens will have a 0 balance. Perhaps instead a big warning or a dialogue box pop up when ever you open up a zero balance account would be preferable to forcing people to type their password twice all the time.
2348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 14, 2014, 07:41:14 PM
Reasons to not become stupidly inflationary: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-community-burning-currency-dogeparty/2014/08/14
I'm lmaoing all these months doge tried to fight basic economic laws, a warn to the any future coin.
whats next? doge sacrifices?  Cheesy

Proof of burn is not really a new concept. Some quite like it. Adam Lavine proposed to use a "proof of donation" instead, to get the same result but avoid waste of resources.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of economics on adams part. Burn is no more wasting than donations, its only a question of who the bitcoins are being donated to. By burning the bitcoins you are donating the value that they represent to every holder of bitcoin in proportion to his relative holdings. Its the opposite of money printing which steals value in proportion to peoples relative holdings. So its just do you want to donate to adam specifically, or to everyone who owns bitcoin?
2349  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 07:04:23 PM
the right button seems slightly dented in the center.

thats normal

mine don't have any dents in the buttons

turn it in the light. either way if some don't i can attest that many do. ive seen them like that in youtube videos and pictures and on mine.
2350  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 06:42:10 PM
the right button seems slightly dented in the center.

thats normal
2351  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
there's a little bit of what looks like delaminating on the bottom of the screen on my trezor. it looks like a little bubble under the screen. is this because there is a protective sticker that i can just peel off or is it something else?


Have you not peeled off the laminate that it is shipped with?   I was going to leave it on, but I was having trouble holding both buttons down and plugging it into the computer at the same time (because the cord is so short).


The laminate is really sticky, so you can probably lift it and stick it back down if that is what you want to do...

Oh yea i pulled that of. That was across the whole trezor. I'm just talking about the screen only. Driving me bonkers Angry
2352  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 04:40:27 PM
there's a little bit of what looks like delaminating on the bottom of the screen on my trezor. it looks like a little bubble under the screen. is this because there is a protective sticker that i can just peel off or is it something else?
2353  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 06:48:12 AM
Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question, but I am confused on the whole pin thing.

For instance..  Here is what I did to start...

1) installed plug in
2) followed all instructions to set up
3) completed set up

Then I...

1) sent a small amount of BTC to the trezor web wallet (account 1)
2) sent a small amount of BTC out of the web wallet (just to make sure it works)

I was able to complete the above steps without any problems, but when I went to send the BTC, all I had to do was enter the pin that popped up on the screen of the trezor.

My question is...  wouldn't anyone be able to do this and send the BTC out of the wallet if I lost my trezor?

it wasnt your pin that popped up on the screen of the trezor. that was a unique 1 time use number pad to be used for entering your pin on the computer with out the risk of having it key logged.

But that was all i had to enter to confirm the outgoing transaction. So if someone came accross my trezor, they could just punch in the 1 time code that pops up, and send out the coins?

Are you saying that you just went from top left to bottom right on the little number pad that popped up on your computer screen with the ? marks and it allowed you to sign a transaction? It's astronomically unlikely that it would happen to order the numbers in the same order as your pin. Especually since the implication here is that you had a 9 digit pin. Maybe i can help you by explaining how its supposed to work.

When you set up your trezor it will ask you to enter a pin. Write down a pin that you want to use on a piece of paper. On the trezor will be numbers in a random order. it might look like this.

2 1 9
8 5 3
7 4 6

On your screen you will see this

? ? ?
? ? ?
? ? ?

say your pin was 659

You will press on the computer screen on the number pad with the question marks: bottom right, center, top right.

Now when you go to enter your pin later it will be a new set of random numbers on the trezor. lets say it looks like this

6 4 5
3 1 2
9 7 8

So this time on the computer screen on the number pad with the question marks you will enter: top left, top right, bottom left inorder to input the same pin as before.

I hope that cleared up all of the confusion.

Does that mean that i accidentally set my key to 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9?

It does.

You can change your pin from the home page. Its a button on the right side of the screen when you have the name of the device highlighted on the left side of the screen. (i just LOVE playing with this thing, thanks for giving me an excuse to plug it in again Cheesy)
2354  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 05:49:34 AM
Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question, but I am confused on the whole pin thing.

For instance..  Here is what I did to start...

1) installed plug in
2) followed all instructions to set up
3) completed set up

Then I...

1) sent a small amount of BTC to the trezor web wallet (account 1)
2) sent a small amount of BTC out of the web wallet (just to make sure it works)

I was able to complete the above steps without any problems, but when I went to send the BTC, all I had to do was enter the pin that popped up on the screen of the trezor.

My question is...  wouldn't anyone be able to do this and send the BTC out of the wallet if I lost my trezor?

it wasnt your pin that popped up on the screen of the trezor. that was a unique 1 time use number pad to be used for entering your pin on the computer with out the risk of having it key logged.

But that was all i had to enter to confirm the outgoing transaction. So if someone came accross my trezor, they could just punch in the 1 time code that pops up, and send out the coins?

Are you saying that you just went from top left to bottom right on the little number pad that popped up on your computer screen with the ? marks and it allowed you to sign a transaction? It's astronomically unlikely that it would happen to order the numbers in the same order as your pin. Especually since the implication here is that you had a 9 digit pin. Maybe i can help you by explaining how its supposed to work.

When you set up your trezor it will ask you to enter a pin. Write down a pin that you want to use on a piece of paper. On the trezor will be numbers in a random order. it might look like this.

2 1 9
8 5 3
7 4 6

On your screen you will see this

? ? ?
? ? ?
? ? ?

say your pin was 659

You will press on the computer screen on the number pad with the question marks: bottom right, center, top right.

Now when you go to enter your pin later it will be a new set of random numbers on the trezor. lets say it looks like this

6 4 5
3 1 2
9 7 8

So this time on the computer screen on the number pad with the question marks you will enter: top left, top right, bottom left inorder to input the same pin as before.

I hope that cleared up all of the confusion.
2355  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 14, 2014, 05:15:55 AM
Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question, but I am confused on the whole pin thing.

For instance..  Here is what I did to start...

1) installed plug in
2) followed all instructions to set up
3) completed set up

Then I...

1) sent a small amount of BTC to the trezor web wallet (account 1)
2) sent a small amount of BTC out of the web wallet (just to make sure it works)

I was able to complete the above steps without any problems, but when I went to send the BTC, all I had to do was enter the pin that popped up on the screen of the trezor.

My question is...  wouldn't anyone be able to do this and send the BTC out of the wallet if I lost my trezor?

it wasnt your pin that popped up on the screen of the trezor. that was a unique 1 time use number pad to be used for entering your pin on the computer with out the risk of having it key logged.
2356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PoS+PoW] eXocoin [EXO]-gen 2.0- dev. from scratch! Give-Away | Open Beta on: August 13, 2014, 10:55:59 PM
When the time comes, I'm sending exo to the people on my spreadsheet for stage 1 and the people who can produce the appropriate digital signatures for stage 2. No one else. So im not sure how all this selling stake stuff works but i hope you don't get burned.

Anyway I just wanted to drop buy to let you guys know that I may be moving the exo funds to my trezor in the near future so you dont freak out when all of the bitcoins suddenly move Cheesy
2357  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 13, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
Just got my trezor in the mail. Plugged it in. And its not working. Sad

What usb are you using is it a usb3? what operating system are you using?

Tried USB2 and USB3. Firefox on Ubuntu.
Did it light up at all?

It appears to be working now. I think the cable that was sent with the trezor was just broken. It didn't even light up. So I tried using a different usb cable. That one did cause the trezor to light up but it didnt do anything other than that. Then i tried a third cable and that time it worked. The second cable was thinner than the third cable leading me to suspect that it had more electrical resistance than the thicker cable. I think this was preventing the trezor from receiving sufficient power.
2358  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 13, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Just got my trezor in the mail. Plugged it in. And its not working. Sad

What usb are you using is it a usb3? what operating system are you using?

Tried USB2 and USB3. Firefox on Ubuntu.
2359  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 13, 2014, 08:25:01 PM
Just got my trezor in the mail. Plugged it in. And its not working. Sad
2360  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: August 08, 2014, 03:41:24 AM
I only accept DHL.

May I ask why?
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