That is terrible misuse of statistics.
Suicide and attempted suicide is not the same.
I'm sorry but you're the one terribly misconstruing the points here.
You bolded a part that had nothing to do with the first part.
25% is tattoed.
Research you posted
Quote
Tattoos were found in 21% of suicides.
Comparison between 25%-21% -> 19%
The general population attempts suicide at a rate of 4.6%, the transgender community attempts it at a 40% rate.
Comparison 4.6-40-> 900%
If I were to missconstruct your words like you did to me I would say
You claimed 21% of suicide victims had tattoos and that's the same as 18% of transgenders killing themselves?
21% of people who killed themselves compromise 25% of the population (which is actually a net negative and not a positive)
40% of a one group attemptting to killthemselves is the same in your eyes.
But I didn't say that because I think that wasn't the point you were making. At least I hope so.
I was obviously comparing a tenfold difference between your example with this one.
Anyone can fill out a survey and say they are suicidal.
They didn't say they're suicidal.
They said they attempted suicide.
This comes from a far-left organization.
Why does the study on tattoos describe it as "associated with markers of high-risk behaviors".
Probably because prison&gang subcultures are disproportionately engraved with tattoo cultures.
Why does it matter? The difference is statistically irrelevant.
While the transgender study describe it as "increased risk of suicide".
You don't think if 4 out of 10 people attempt to kill themselves and 2 succeed
post-surgery. That's not an increased risk of suicide?
See the problem ?
I literally have no idea what your point is.
There's a study that very slightly connects tattoes with violent crime (gangs,prisoners..) and there's a study that proves 4 out of 10 transgenders attempt suicide and 2 succeed, and that's supposed to prove something to me?
I'm sorry, I really don't know what I'm supposed to see here.
We also found that there are some factors that are associated with lower risk of suicide thoughts and
attempts for USTS respondents:
• Respondents with supportive families reported lower prevalence of past-year and lifetime suicide
thoughts and attempts.
• Those who wanted, and subsequently received, hormone therapy and/or surgical care had
substantially lower prevalence of past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who
wanted hormone therapy and surgical care and did not receive them.
• A lower proportion of respondents who lived in a state with a gender identity nondiscrimination
statute reported past-year suicide thoughts and attempts than those who lived in states without
such a statute.
The biggest and probably longest study we quoted a couple of times already from egalitarian Sweden came with those 18% successful suicide rate where if you look at the graph most kill themselves after around ~10ish years from surgery and reaching its peak at around 15 where the mortality rate goes into freefall. Over 80% reported feeling better after surgery. Something changed after 10 years. Only a small part killed themselves immediately post op (you can see a dip in the graph) but the situation is relatively stable the first years after the operation. Everything falls apart after 10 years.
18% of them commit suicide
after the operation and the biggest numbers from 10-15 years after the operation according to the egalitarian Swedish longitudinal study with the biggest size recorded yet.
First of all. Sue Donym isn't a legitimate source on anything.
Besides being obviously biased (
https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984) she doesn't have any qualifications on the subject and her opinions shouldn't be quoted, she's not a scientist or a researcher.
That 41% stat is bogus.
Okay, so that's a different study. But the results are almost the same.
You're saying transgenders don't know the difference between self-harm and a suicide attempt. I don't agree with that, I think we should believe people who say they tried to kill themselves because it's associated with a sense of shame and therefore very hard to admit.
Why that doesn't add up is also that there is one suicide for every estimated 25 suicide attempts. (according to the CDC), which includes self-harm.
Given that the CDC has correct data, and 18 out of a 100 transgenders commits suicide after surgery, how many of them actually commit it?
I'd say a lot of them try to hide it because of stigma associated with it and a feeling of shame&weakness generally associated with suicide.
But okay, even if we assume that's true.
How do you explain the
18% successful suicide rate among post-surgery transgenders?
How many suicides do you think end up unsuccessfully? You previously stated some do suicide attempts as a cry for help.
If you say only 40% including self harm attempt suicide and at a 25:1 ratio of succesful suicide attempts it would mean the operation severely damaged their mental health forcing every fifth transgender into suicide.
Why not ?
If you are going to cut your arm off with an axe or have it safely removed by a surgeon - because it causes you mental pain. Why should I stop you ?
The surgeon is the safer option.
The problem is in your head, not in your hand. Wouldn't it be healthier to be cured and keep your hand
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