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2401  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views. on: February 18, 2016, 02:45:48 AM
She is an Atheist, and "culturally Muslim", she follows a Muslim dress code, but she does not believe in angel Gabriel, Mohammed and God.

Arab world need more people like her to re-progrm the rest.
2402  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate Atheists? on: February 18, 2016, 02:34:24 AM
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Stalin's Soviet state was very much committed to the destruction of religion and even went about removing anything related to related to religion: churches, mosques, and temples. The schools also pushed the idea of Atheism and even promoted it as what society should follow. 12-20 million Christians killed as a result.

Soviets had few things that were progressive for their time: gender equality, elimination of racism, education, and yes, atheism.  They put emphasis on Math and Science education, so there was no room for religion in school curriculums.  Religion was viewed as an ancient relic (which it is).

Of course the way they went about destroying religion was brutal and inhumane.  They did it because they felt religion cult was in competition with their own cult.

Believe it of not, but Stalin's version of communism was like a religion.  They had a dogma, they had God like figure to worship etc., any opposition was eliminated or dealt with.  

Father Stalin was like God to many Soviet citizens.  Similar religion/cult is present in North Korea today.

So yes, they killed Christians, destroyed churches, but they did it because of Communism, a competing cult.
2403  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate Atheists? on: February 18, 2016, 01:56:21 AM
Fact: Atheists do not have any specific beliefs or dogma

Not all Atheists believe in evolution or the big bang... It is not required to be an Atheist...

The only requirement to be an Atheist is the lack of belief in any specific god...

If you do not believe the bible provides enough evidence that the Christian God exists, you are an Atheist with respect to Christianity

If you feel the Koran does not provide solid evidence for Allah, then you are an Atheist with respect to Islam/Allah

But, none of this requires anyone to believe in evolution or the big bang... Atheist tend to believe these theories because they are supported by massive amounts of credible evidence, confirmation via multiple branches of study (archeology, genetics, physics, etc), decades of experimentation and peer review, etc

I hate to break this to you, but Atheists do have a belief.... They believe there is no god and there is no almost atheist. You are or you are not and anyone who feels they don't believe something that is in the Koran or in the bible (this includes the "evidence," as you put it, which isn't the reason people read the bible or the Koran) does not mean that they do not believe in God. It would really be the interpretation of what they read and would be the main reason for the numerous amounts of religion and factions of religion.

Now I am under the impression that many Atheists are misguided and are really just Non-Theists, which is what I would claim to be. A Non-Theist of course would define themselves as someone who doesn't understand why people even care about the belief and even disbelief in god and also someone doesn't care about proof or no proof.



Newsflash: Atheists are more moral than Christians

If you need examples, look up Norway, Sweden, etc... Do your own research since you won't take my word for it

Atheists do not need a God to command them not to kill, steal, etc... We understand the reason why these crimes are detrimental to society without God dictating such
Many Christians willingly admit... if they knew for sure God didn't exist... nothing would stop them from becoming a murdering rapist!

Take a look at prison statistics... how many Atheists are in prison vs Christians?

How many Atheists shoot up a Muslim mosque, abortion clinic or planned parenthood?

How many Atheists are in the KKK lynching niggers?

How many Atheists are in the WBC protesting soldier funerals, calling them fags?

How many Atheists have told you that God will torture you in hell for eternity because you didn't believe their fairy tale?

This is probably your greatest post. It is full of good points, I suppose, but you negate to notice key events in history.

The Nazi agenda, was not fueled by religion, it was quite the opposite and would see the decimation of millions; over ten million to be exact.

Stalin's Soviet Russia is another that had a great impact who would see millions also killed under his rule. This again, was practically Atheist. Karl Marx would write that religion was the opiate for the masses.

So if you want to make a tally, at least ensure that you are not forgetting the tens of millions dead due to anti-religious agendas.

Hitler killed in the name of Nazism not Atheism or Christianity.
Stalin killed in the name of Communism not Atheism.




2404  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Televangelists/Christians in the US - tax free, legal scams on: February 18, 2016, 01:11:20 AM
Insane TV Christian Preachers:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaZnLHgvFk

Worse TV Preacher awards:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgmg-NMTJ9E

TV Preachers - Bam, Bam Bam:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHXHlqybK1Y



2405  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says, crazy shit Christians say on: February 17, 2016, 11:51:30 PM
After I saw responses from the Christians on this forum, I have changed the title of this thread.
2406  Other / Politics & Society / Re: a more personal opinion on: February 17, 2016, 11:10:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxeywo8DP4

Buddhism is a popular form of demon worship also known as witchcraft. It is a sin.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.


Deuteronomy 18:10-13King James Version (KJV)


I thought you guys grew out of burning witches.  I hope you understand that moral code provided in the Bible is wrong.

It is immoral to kill someone who works on Sabbath, cut woman's hand because she grabbed someone's balls, smash babies, or boil and eat babies.  I hope you understand this and developed your morality outside of the Bible.

If you still insist Bible is a divinely inspired and a guide to live by, I suggest you read it again.
Hopefully, we'll not read about you in the news....


2407  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 10:58:36 PM
I think any religious texts is going to have discrepancies with modern times and modern morals. 500 yrs ago slavery was the norm and now its not only illegal but obviously morally wrong. Just saying, can not judge just because.

That should tell you enough to treat these books with a grain of salt.

Anyone who believes everything in the Bible is true and is word of God is either ignorant or dishonest.

We should judge this book by what it preaches.  If you want to treat it as a historical, literary bronze age artifact, that is fine.  I'd actually agree.

Just don't tell me, it is a word of God , that the universe was created in 6 days, or that bible has any moral values that we should live by in the 21st century.

It took me (and others) years to erase the damage this cult has done.

Religion is a dangerous cult and should be treated as such.  But I'm digressing. This thread suppose to be about crazy shit the Bible says...

2408  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 09:08:00 PM
You are simply twisting the words to try and make it look bad. A fools/losers strategy to take down the opponent.

Huh,  I don't twist anything.  It is what it is.  Read the book.

I'd not even know how to twist these words.

They are so twisted I could not do a better job.
2409  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
These will give you the facts you are looking for. Lots of facts. You can check out the following websites too.
www.answersingenesis.org
www.rationalchristianity.com
www.creation.com
www.carm.org
www.tektonics.com
www.everystudent.com
www.reasonablefaith.com


ROFL.  You are killing me...That is funny....

doing the God's works....I guess.  The last one is the funniest: reasonable faith, is this a title for some Orwellian book.
Rational Christianity is another one.  ROFL. Roll Eyes

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2410  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 08:49:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkl_PefewXc

The list is endless. 

youtube really fuck them up. 

2411  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 08:08:17 PM

I did not write this vile book.



You didn't read it either, by your own admission.

So why should anyone listen to your opinion about it?

You don't know what you're talking about.

There is plenty of information available to you, showing that everything in the Bible is true and correct.

If you choose to reject that information, I can't force you to tell the truth about it.

People are encouraged to read the Bible for themselves.  I provided shortcuts to the crazier parts.

If you can read critically, you'll find this book repulsive, unless you are already a psychopath, in that case this book might be a good manual for you.

Problem is most Christians don't read the Bible. Or read the passages they like, passages that help them and ignore the rest.
By doing that they are ignoring God (which is probably correct anyway as I don't believe he exists).

My point is, this book is not a word of God, but it is a collective work of some sick, bronze age psychopaths who wrote rules to control their society as it emerged from stone age.


2412  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Homosexuality is caused by being molested on: February 17, 2016, 07:58:39 PM
You're the one talking about religion.

But since religion occurs naturally among humans, you shouldn't apply your moral judgements to it.

BIM THANK YOU!!!

So as Homosexuality occurs naturally among humans you shouldn't apply your moral judgements to it right? Grin


But people also naturally find homosexuality disgusting.  Now what?

Obviously not all people.  Those who do should stop looking at gay porn Wink

If you find two gay guys or women holding hands disgusting you have other problems....

Holding or kissing should not be disgusting, if they were penetrating each other in the public, that would be disgusting, just like two straight adults doing 69 in public.

My kids say me kissing my wife is disgusting...Don't be a kid, grow up.  If you are straight, homosexuality should not affect you.



2413  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 07:44:40 PM

Here is the first one:

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2 Kings 6:29King James Version (KJV)

29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.

You can fact check all others yourself.  Maybe something in my list is incorrect.  Post which one is incorrect, and I'll update the list.  No problem.




That is incorrect, because it's supposed to be a list of crazy things that the Bible condones or commands.

This is just a true story about someone doing something wrong, and it is understood that it is wrong.

By objecting to this story, you are the one who seems to be condoning cannibalism.  

The Bible says cannibalism is wrong, and you say that's "crazy".  Maybe you need professional help.

What you want from me, complain to your God.  Not me.  I did not write this vile book.

I you are defending it, you are a despicable human being.
2414  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Here are some crazy shit Bible says.  List is not complete, needs work....

Bible:
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Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden

New Testament:
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Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children

Psalm 137:9 - killing babies

You still haven't posted any actual quotes from the Bible, but you've posted plenty of things that are obviously false.

Are you certain those claims are false?  Have you read the bible?!?

Do you have a bible handy?  He posted the book, chapter and verse for each claim... lets hear what your bible says...



I just looked up some of those verses, and they don't say what he says they say.

Is he a liar, or stupid, or just confused?

Here is the first one:

Quote
2 Kings 6:29King James Version (KJV)

29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.

You can fact check all others yourself.  Maybe something in my list is incorrect.  Post which one is incorrect, and I'll update the list.  No problem.
2415  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 07:28:05 PM

I became Atheist reading first few verses



No you didn't.  

If you had good reasons, you wouldn't have to lie.

I'd start with the light (big bang) if I were him.

If this creation story does make sense to you, you are clueless:

Day 1: He created Earth (formless and empty) and heaven in the dark.  Spirit of God was covering waters, Then he created light
Day 2: He separated sky (the vault) from the water  (some magic water that did not freeze)
Day 3: He created dry land (after he created Earth) and plants
Day 4: He created Sun and other stars (poor plants, they had to wait for Sun to show up)
Day 5: Created animals
Day 6: Started farming (no industrial revolution, no science, no Internet?  Why not?)
 
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Genesis 1New International Version (NIV)

The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
2416  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 07:09:51 PM
Typical Internet atheist topic.

It's supposed to be about what the Bible says, but instead it's just some Youtube links and a bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about.



Updated the OP for you.  If something is incorrect, let me know.
2417  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Homosexuality is caused by being molested on: February 17, 2016, 07:03:54 PM
You're the one talking about religion.

But since religion occurs naturally among humans, you shouldn't apply your moral judgements to it.

The only reason people hate fags is because Bible & Quran says so.  If the religious texts did not say it, nobody would even know
that they suppose to hate them.  It would be like hating birds because they fly.

I find an idea of two lesbians making out kinda a turn on, two guys, well, not so much.  But hating them?  Why?  I'm not jealous.
Let them fuck the shit out of themselves, what is the problem?  How is it going to affect you?  Unless of course you are a closet fag yourself,
you should have no stance against this sexual preference.

It is like hating two lions making out  Shocked  Completely irrational.
Or hating two (or more lesbians) fisting themselves.  You might not find it attractive to look at, but hating them? What for?
2418  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 06:51:49 PM
Here are some crazy shit Bible says.  List is not complete, needs work....

Crazy things Bible says, #1:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrWslruLvPo

Crazy things Bible says, #2:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT0TXzeUbAE

Crazy things Bible says, #3:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkl_PefewXc&index=3&list=PLlWVv7VJx45a57Qu74jPvikH78wleNTmd

Crazy things Bible says, #4:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzi_XbxcPE

Crazy things Bible says, #5:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cb0GNc1WY

bible, koran and any other religious stuff says illogical things not just bible  but if someone believes these sayings of bible or other stuff's , we should respect to them..

We'll do Quran next.  We are not done with the Bible.
2419  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
Well it's a good extract! I shall just take it out next time someone says "but it's so stupid to see Muslims not eating porks, at least there is nothing like this in the Bible it would be dumb" ^^

Newsflash: Not many Christians have actually read the bible... they have no clue what it says beyond the fru-fru stories the preacher cherry-picks for them

The quickest path to becoming an Atheist is reading the bible... I doubt many Christians would get past Deuteronomy before becoming an Atheist (I didn't)

I became Atheist reading first few verses when he created Earth in the dark, then created plants before creating the Sun and the Stars.
It went down the hill after that....

Bible:
------
Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden

New Testament:
--------------
Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children

Psalm 137:9 - killing babies
2420  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says on: February 17, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
I didn't click on the links, so this may have been answered, but doesn't the Bible say that we shouldn't eat shellfish?

Land animals:
Quote from: Leviticus 11:1-8
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Note: Hares are rabbits, which do not chew their cud like a cow or camel... God got this animal 100% wrong (also note, a coney is a hare/rabbit... God is redundant with his mistakes)

Sea animals:
Quote from: Leviticus 11:9-12
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Birds:
Quote from: Leviticus 11:13-23
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.


Note: this is only the tip of the iceberg... you also cannot eat meat and dairy in the same meal, etc... it's kinda spread throughout different books of the bible... God wasn't very organized when he wrote all those books...
The Talmudic rabbis believed that the biblical text only forbade eating a mixture of milk and meat, but because the biblical regulation is triplicated they imposed three distinct regulations to represent it:

    not cooking meat and milk together (regardless of whether the result was eaten)
    not eating milk and meat together (regardless of whether it was cooked together)
    not benefiting from the mixture in any other way
Why did God need to repeat this law 3 times?  Wouldn't a perfect God write it perfectly the first time?

Because he was half drunk at the time Wink.  The milk and meat bit was probably added by a guy with a really nasty diarrhea.

Good find.  Keep them coming....
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