Again we see that mitochondrial DNA shows that people came from one man/woman combination 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. Animals show the same.
Did a mysterious extinction event precede Adam and Eve?In one of the most provocative and misunderstood studies of the year, scientists in the U.S. and Switzerland have made an astonishing discovery: All humans alive today are the offspring of a common father and mother – an Adam and Eve – who walked the planet 100,000 to 200,000 years ago, which by evolutionary standards is like yesterday. Moreover, the same is true of nine out of every 10 animal species, meaning that nearly all of Earth’s creatures living today sprang into being recently from some seminal, Big Bang-like event.
Mark Stoeckle at Rockefeller University and David Thaler at the University of Basel reached this striking conclusion after analyzing the DNA “bar codes” of five million animals from 100,000 different species. The bar codes are snippets of DNA that reside outside the nuclei of living cells – so-called mitochondrial DNA, which mothers pass down from generation to generation.
With each reproduction, errors creep into the bar code, as they do when you repeatedly photocopy a document. By measuring the accumulated errors – the blurriness or “diversity” among the bar codes – scientists are able to infer the passage of time.
That’s how Stoeckle and Thaler concluded that ninety percent of all animal species alive today come from parents that all began giving birth at roughly the same time, less than a quarter-million years ago. “This conclusion is very surprising,” Thaler avers, “and I fought against it as hard as I could.”  I thought your God implied that Earth is less than 10,000 years old. He flooded the world to kill all fauna and flora, except the animals that were eating each other in a cesspool on the Noak's ark to restart humanity from one big incest party. LOL. Does your God suffer from an Alzheimer's disease? Is it possible that the facts are actually getting through to you? Why do you think things about God like those? Oh, of course. You have your own religion. Haven't you read the Bible? God didn't imply that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. He said it, albeit not directly. Before the creation of light, time and days were not set in place so that years can be understood as years. Since the first day, the Bible shows us there has been less than 7,000 years. You suffer from spiritual blindness. 100,000 > 7,000 No issues? Not one? |
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Never shooting someone to death is never something that keeps a person out of Hell. Shooting a person to death is never something that sends a person to Hell. There is only one thing that keeps a person out of Hell. Lacking that one thing is the only reason why people go to Hell. What is that one thing? It is believing in Jesus salvation. Shooting someone, or voluntary sinning in other ways, are all things that wear on Jesus salvation faith. Enough voluntary sinning by a person of faith, may destroy that faith in him. But it is the faith in Jesus salvation, or lack of it, that determines a person's Heaven/Hell final position. Well then god is an absolute idiot. How can your brain actually write that and be ok with it? I can kill as many people as I want as long as I accept jesus salvation? Of course I would accept jesus salvation, knowing I'm going to hell if not or jail, why would a murderer not repent? It seems his best choice. God is an idiot. Seems like you can't read very well. Voluntarily doing evil wears on Jesus salvation faith. In other words, if you truly understand and have Jesus salvation faith, you will stop sinning. At least you will reduce your voluntary sinning to an absolute minimum. In other words, voluntary sinning and Jesus salvation faith are mutually exclusive... after a time. So, we see again, that you are attempting to cast doubt into the hearts of those who are saved. Why do you do this? You are simply a child of the devil. No animosity against you. Simply pointing out a fact. But you can change if you want... I think you will be wearing down your psychiatrist one day. You are truly crazy, no ifs no buts. You have lost your mind. |
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Again we see that mitochondrial DNA shows that people came from one man/woman combination 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. Animals show the same.
Did a mysterious extinction event precede Adam and Eve?In one of the most provocative and misunderstood studies of the year, scientists in the U.S. and Switzerland have made an astonishing discovery: All humans alive today are the offspring of a common father and mother – an Adam and Eve – who walked the planet 100,000 to 200,000 years ago, which by evolutionary standards is like yesterday. Moreover, the same is true of nine out of every 10 animal species, meaning that nearly all of Earth’s creatures living today sprang into being recently from some seminal, Big Bang-like event.
Mark Stoeckle at Rockefeller University and David Thaler at the University of Basel reached this striking conclusion after analyzing the DNA “bar codes” of five million animals from 100,000 different species. The bar codes are snippets of DNA that reside outside the nuclei of living cells – so-called mitochondrial DNA, which mothers pass down from generation to generation.
With each reproduction, errors creep into the bar code, as they do when you repeatedly photocopy a document. By measuring the accumulated errors – the blurriness or “diversity” among the bar codes – scientists are able to infer the passage of time.
That’s how Stoeckle and Thaler concluded that ninety percent of all animal species alive today come from parents that all began giving birth at roughly the same time, less than a quarter-million years ago. “This conclusion is very surprising,” Thaler avers, “and I fought against it as hard as I could.” I thought your God implied that Earth is less than 10,000 years old. He flooded the world to kill all fauna and flora, except the animals that were eating each other in a cesspool on the Noak's ark to restart humanity from one big incest party. LOL. Does your God suffer from an Alzheimer's disease? Is it possible that the facts are actually getting through to you? |
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If your child goes to hell after you die and you are already in heaven, would you feel sad that he/she is in pain for eternity?
That would depend on the nature and purpose of hell. Is it's ultimate purpose torture or rectification punishment or purification. A constant theme of the Bible is the conversation of evil to good. In Christianity an example of this is the cross. One of the most evil and horrifying torture devices of antiquity transformed into a symbol of hope that indisputably forever altered the trajectory of history. For this reason and others I favor the rectification/purification perspective. In the lakes of fire? God won't put up with your rebellion forever. There will come a time when He will say "Enough." That time will come for you if/when you die in your rejection of Him. What do they do with old, worn-out, junkyard cars? They load them up on a truck, and take them back to the smelters, to melt them down and get the metal out of them to use in new cars and other equipment. The lake of fire is the place where junk beings are smelted down to get the material out of them to be used for other purposes. Change, now, while you still have the chance, before you go into the lake of fire where your essence will be torn apart in the excessive heat, so that the pieces which formerly were you, can be used in other places for other things. Are you sure you are reading this from the Bible?
Revelation 20:13–1513 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Maybe you are confusing it with Dante's The Divine Comedy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_ComedyYou are confusing the two literary works. It is all funny as we are really discussing what is the color of the Snow White's hat. Both works are that, stories. Why you cannot see that in the 21st century is beyond me? WFT? Who are you, people? |
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If your child goes to hell after you die and you are already in heaven, would you feel sad that he/she is in pain for eternity?
That would depend on the nature and purpose of hell. Is it's ultimate purpose torture or rectification punishment or purification. A constant theme of the Bible is the conversation of evil to good. In Christianity an example of this is the cross. One of the most evil and horrifying torture devices of antiquity transformed into a symbol of hope that indisputably forever altered the trajectory of history. For this reason and others I favor the rectification/purification perspective. In the lakes of fire? |
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I am aware of hoarding and tax loopholes. Tax loopholes should be closed. I am also aware that although speculative investment happens, it is unrealistic that every vacant property would be simultaneously off the market to a point where new businesses could not obtain leases.
The only reason there are tax loopholes is because there is a tax system in the first place. Remove the system, et voilà! ... You guys are not only stupid but dangerous. Without the tax system, there would be no country. The government can either collect taxes or go into debt. Someone needs to pay YOUR bills. |
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Under all circumstances, I am a free man. Always was and always will be.
Yes you are a free man. You live in a deterministic universe yet you are free. You fail to see the miracle in that which is your perogrative. If your child goes to hell after you die and you are already in heaven, would you feel sad that he/she is in pain for eternity? If not, you are a psychopath as you lack empathy for others especially your own flesh and blood. If you do, you are better than your God, and you are not in heaven because you feel sad. Being free is the only sane option to be happy. |
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There are billions of videos on youtube. Not one is from God himself.
Say God came to you personally via YouTube or whatever format you found convincing gave you personal commands after informing you that you as the creator of the universe his will is paramount. I would question my sanity first. Then I would give him a test that the only expert in the fields of Theoretical Physics, History, Mathematics, Chemistry, Biology, Civil Engineering, and CS would know. I would ask him how my grandfather died and what watch brand was he wearing when he died. Who was with him when he died? I would ask other anti-Theists to talk to him and let me know what they think just to eliminate my subjective interpretation of the interaction. In that circumstance would you be a free man or a slave?
Under all circumstances, I am a free man. Always was and always will be. You would be a slave compelled by a power greater then you. By not compelling our belief God grants us freedom. We are free to accept God or reject him.
No, I would not. If something would make me a slave, I would go and check myself into a mental institution, because this would mean I am losing my mind. When we genuinely look for God he is easily found in the miracles of daily life all around us.
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According to his journal and emails, it's very clear that he was on a suicide mission due to his religious beliefs.
can he be called a radical? in some cases Muslim suicide bombings say that the person who blew himself up with the bomb was radical but, that way can the missionary be said to be radical because he wants to die because of religious beliefs? I don't think so, he has no interest in killing anyone in the name of God. Well, we don't know that. The guy was pretty much crazy to travel there to do what exactly? Talk to people about Jesus? Does this sound rational to you? The guy was a lunatic, IMHO. Who knows what his true intentions were? Maybe he was a pedophile looking for his next fix. This island was pretty isolated, and the Indian government tried to make contact with them in the past. The people on the island were hostile to any intruders. This was a known fact. |
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The personal spiritual experiences are real. Those are internal to a person's brain. How do we know? We see their brain activity on the brain scans.
Unfortunately, the object of those experiences is not real UNLESS other people and instruments/cameras can observe/record EXACTLY THE SAME experience.
Many people believe that they are Napoleons. Their experience is real to them. However, we know they are delusional just like people who see, hear or 'feel' Jesus.
Yes, but if we could also experience those things too, the nature of God would no longer be personal. It would be public to everyone.
For all we know, God does not follow the rules of science and physics. God could easily be invisible to our eyes and our instruments, does that mean God does not exist? Then this would mean that we are God, because either we can observe it or it does not exist. Wow, that is a big conjecture right there. First of all, if that were the case, how would you distinguish God from something that does not exist? So it is safe to put God in the same bucket as things that do not exist. Snow White might exist just as well as any of the Gods people wrote about over the years. Do you believe Snow White exists? How about Santa Claus? We have no evidence that God exists, that is all we can say. Fantasising about things that might exist does not get us any closer to the truth. |
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The personal spiritual experiences are real. Those are internal to a person's brain. How do we know? We see their brain activity on the brain scans.
Unfortunately, the object of those experiences is not real UNLESS other people and instruments/cameras can observe/record EXACTLY THE SAME experience.
Many people believe that they are Napoleons. Their experience is real to them. However, we know they are delusional just like people who see, hear or 'feel' Jesus.
Yes, but if we could also experience those things too, the nature of God is no longer personal. It is now public to everyone who has a camera/instrument. Let's see the footage of God then. Where is it? There are billions of videos on youtube, not one is from God. Anyone who reads this thread and can talk to God, please ask God to post here. Why does God need salesmen? He does not care to show up for work? I would fire his ass in a New York minute. |
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Those are brain malfunctions. Unless you have some objective observers verifying the experience, these "spiritual experiences" are just that, confined to a person's brain. Just like dreams or conscious thoughts.
The human brain is very complicated. Many people suffer from mental disorders. I think believing in something that is not real is a delusion.
Religion is a mental disorder.
Yes, but how do we know what they experience is not real. Their experiences could very well be as real as the keyboard you are typing on. Is it because we can not observe God for ourselves? What if the nature of God is a personal relationship? If we have no personal relationship with God does that mean others can not have as well? To dismiss their relationships with God would be lying to ourselves. The personal spiritual experiences are real. Those are internal to a person's brain. How do we know? We see their brain activity on the brain scans. Unfortunately, the object of those experiences is not real UNLESS other people and instruments/cameras can observe/record EXACTLY THE SAME experience. Many people believe that they are Napoleons. Their experience is real to them. However, we know they are delusional just like people who see, hear or 'feel' Jesus. |
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You need an open mind to evaluate if the evidence presented is true.
Accepting religious stories without evidence is being gullible, not being open-minded.
You can say I don't know if a God exists.
The evidence presented in the scriptures definitely rules out the existence of those Abrahamic Gods. End of story.
If you have evidence of any other Gods, let's hear it.
Exactly. You need an open mind to evaluate if the evidence presented is true. The problem for both of us is the evidences are anecdotal. A guy says an unbelievable miracle happened in his life blah blah blah... Another guy says this unexplained miracle happened in his life blah blah blah... These are anecdotal evidences, they can not be proven by anyone except the person himself. I am not talking about the bible, it is not evidence. I am talking about mystical, spiritual experiences that science can not explain. How do we, as logical scientific-minded people, reconcile these experiences with our science? Are we to dismiss their experiences as being crazy and simply hallucination? If we say that, they would call us close-minded people. Those are brain malfunctions. Unless you have some objective observers verifying the experience, these "spiritual experiences" are just that, confined to a person's brain. Just like dreams or conscious thoughts. The human brain is very complicated. Many people suffer from mental disorders. I think believing in something that is not real is a delusion. Religion is a mental disorder. |
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Of course. Present me with the evidence of God, and I will believe.
Describe what God looks like, provide testable evidence in his existence, provide means to communicate with him/her and I am in.
Instead, what we have is plenty of evidence that there is no God (or God does not care about this planet and this particular species of mammals), so yes, I am open-minded.
BTW, if God would appear in front of me right now, I would ask him: "What's up with all the hide and seek? Come closer so that I can punch your lights out for making people kill each other in your fucking name."
I know I am a better being than any God from the scriptures.
If I were able to present evidence of God, there is no need for an open mind. Even a closed mind would accept God if I can present God to him. An open mind accepts the possibility that there is God, but also accepts the possibility that there is no God. His mind is open. You need an open mind to evaluate if the evidence presented is true. Accepting religious stories without evidence is being gullible, not being open-minded. You can say I don't know if a God exists. The evidence presented in the scriptures definitely rules out the existence of those Abrahamic Gods. End of story. If you have the evidence for any other Gods, let's hear it. |
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They spend too much, they should save about 20-25K, invest it in dividend-paying instruments and generate $150+/month.
Maybe investing in order to increase production is not the right way to go?  Don't know in USA but in France most small peasants died because of the race towards innovation and productivity. Those who survived are the ones that kept their original ways of producing and are producing less but of higher quality with little investment. I meant financial instruments. Invest 25K, and get $150/month in your sleep. |
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East Wind Community was (and is) an interesting experiment.
I wonder if that's classified as "communism".
https://www.eastwindblog.co/?p=1250$150/month for slave work and dorm bunk bed, yeah, they live much better than people in North Korea. What a waste of time. Lost opportunities; these young people will regret their decision one day. 35 hour work weeks. There are people who work 60 hours a week in America, and have less leftover than these individuals (after all expenses are paid). Not to mention; work can include stuff like pole fishing, it doesn't seem to bad to be honest. They spend too much, they should save about 20-25K, invest it in dividend-paying instruments and generate $150+/month. |
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Here are my results. I think they are more or less accurate.
So you would classify yourself as a progressive? Libertarian progressive. I am for a smaller government, free market, progressive when it comes to abortion, gay rights, separation of church and state, legalization of drugs, protection of the environment, reduction of pollution, reduction of the human population growth, against the killing of animals, including humans, against wars, but I am for the capital punishment, hard on crime etc. |
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Here are my results. I think they are more or less accurate.  |
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East Wind Community was (and is) an interesting experiment.
I wonder if that's classified as "communism".
https://www.eastwindblog.co/?p=1250$150/month for slave work and dorm bunk bed, yeah, they live much better than people in North Korea. What a waste of time. Lost opportunities; these young people will regret their decision one day. |
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I think a more interesting question is, why does God hide himself from some people but not from others? We hear all these stories about personal experiences with God. How come God chooses to reveal himself in such cases?
For some people, they never had any experience at all. This is mind boggling to me.
Because some people are delusional, while others are not. God is a mental image or a feeling. It is a product of an overactive human imagination. I think this God concept was needed to help us survive in the magical world we saw all around us. So, the idea of God is an evolutionary adaptation, IMHO. It is possible, but don't you think it is better to keep an open mind? Of course. Present me with the evidence of God, and I will believe. Describe what God looks like, provide testable evidence in his existence, provide means to communicate with him/her and I am in. Instead, what we have is plenty of evidence that there is no God (or God does not care about this planet and this particular species of mammals), so yes, I am open-minded. BTW, if God would appear in front of me right now, I would ask him: "What's up with all the hide and seek? Come closer so that I can punch your lights out for making people kill each other in your fucking name." I know I am a better being than any God from the scriptures. |
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