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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>
I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles." the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence. Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up. I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism. Let me help you with your delusion. Jesus was not a historical person. The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters. It was a common name among the Jews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U |
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You are dumb as fuck.
What miracles?
Post a video of an amputee growing a leg, then it will be a miracle.
Prosthetic legs are amazing tbf, I have seen amputees breakdancing and doing amazing things even people with both legs can't do. With the invention of prosthetic legs, amputees can now walk or move like any regular person. This reminds me of the story where a person who was drowning asked God to save him. God sent a rowboat, a motor boat, a helicopter, but the man did not see it as God's help, and consequently drowned. Prosthetic legs, in my opinion, is God's way of giving legs to amputees. You are so ignorant you don't even know. Prosthetic legs were invented and designed by doctors and engineers. Don't change the subject. Show a video of an amputee growing a leg in real-time or shut the fuck forever about your imaginary friend. You are just a troll, you have nothing concrete to add to the conversation, just your assumptions and conjectures. We are done here. |
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We are all free thinkers, we have the right to choose right or wrong. I know there are many atheists who are very humane, good people. But what if you are not seeing 100% of the truth as an atheist? What if there's something you still haven't seen? The purpose of life is not just to be a good person but to live enjoying it while honoring and obeying God. Remember not all theists are influenced, I have no religion however I know as a fact God exists. Have you seen a miracle? Have you ever seen something happen that is medically impossible. (there are many fake videos out there from very immoral people masked as Christians) Just pm me if you are interested and I will show some real miracles.
Which one? There are over 3000+ Gods to choose from. What selection criteria did you use to select your God? BTW, I am interested in some real miracles. Post them here. How did you determine they are the real miracles? Watch some miracles man: https://www . y outube.c om/watch?v=S_0vnBhz-Co You were one of the guys that asked to see a limb grow in previews threads if I can remember right so here you go: https://www . y outube.c om/watch?v=_360JitiBA0 https://www . y outube.c om/watch?v=UbTy3Nr59WM https://www . y outube.c om/watch?v=CSQVR5FWo2o You are dumb as fuck. What miracles? Post a video of an amputee growing a leg, then it will be a miracle. |
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There is an inherent flaw in atheism that most people don't seem to realize. Personally I have more respect for Agnostics. At least they admit that they don't know. Atheism is just yet another iteration of a religion. Atheism is the BELIEF that there is no God. There is no proof of the existence or nonexistence of a deity. People choose to believe one over the other, but it is just yet another system of beliefs.
Atheists exhibit a lot of the same patterns found in other religions. They thing their beliefs are the best and everyone else is wrong. They proselytize. They fund-raise. They gather in groups to discuss and spread their beliefs. Their priests are "scientists", and their God is the government.
Atheism is a lack of belief that there is a God. It is not the same as a belief that there is no God. Apple and oranges. PS. Most atheists are not making claims. Although, some, myself included, are convinced that there is no God due to the lack of any physical evidence. |
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Ask your God for pin numbers of my ATM cards and post it here.
or a youtube video with you and your God chatting about how he created the universe.
or ask God to join our conversation in this thread.
I don't have power over God to be giving Him orders, God is not my slave. It is ultimately God's choice to decide whether to reveal Himself to anyone, not my choice. So you failed to convince me that your God exists. Have you noticed that he only reveals himself to deluded people? |
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Women are the glue that holds the societies together.
Without women, our species would not exist.
There are many biological differences between the sexes and that is why we have inequalities.
I am a man, but I see we are emotional simpletons when compared with women.
When women want to insult each other they can do it all day long in front of men and men would know even know it.
Men are impatient, want the stuff now, are more of a go-getter regardless of the consequences. Women will think a lot longer before making any decisions. Have you ever went shopping with your wife or girlfriend?
Most men are manipulated by women because we are idiots who are just good with numbers and have no clue we are being manipulated.
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I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.
This is the classical example of a logical error called the "Irrefutable hypothesis." As such it is not an ANSWER, but is the PROBLEM. An assertion resulting in conclusions necessarily based on logical errors is a flawed assertion, or the premises it is based on are flawed. These people do not understand what a scientific hypothesis is. The lack of education is the root cause. They don't know that God concept cannot even be a hypothesis as it is not testable and is not falsifiable. http://projects.ncsu.edu/project/bio183de/Black/science/science_scripts.htmlThey just dream up shit as they go along to make themselves feel better regardless of the consequences. |
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That is what I thought. You pulled it out of your ass. You see it, therefore it is true. You have some insane logic.
What answer could I have given you that would have been satisfactory?  Ask your God for pin numbers of my ATM cards and post it here. or a youtube video with you and your God chatting about how he created the universe. or ask God to join our conversation in this thread. |
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Ok, I am going to ask one last time.
How do you know that he exists, that he created anything, what he is and that he is a he?
When I see nature, I see intelligent design. Intelligent design implies an intelligent designer who I refer to as God. ... That is what I thought. You pulled it out of your ass. You see it, therefore it is true. You have some insane logic. Who designed the intelligent designer? Another intelligent designer? |
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No creation story yet he created the universe. Well,...
It is your overactive imagination filling in the blanks in your knowledge.
Psychological comfort. That is all.
Come back to me if you have anything other than your own assumptions and conjectures.
You were asking what criteria to use for deciding who is God. That creation story is the story of the creation of the universe. The God we are talking about has no creation story of his own. How was God created? From where did he come from? God does not have one because he is not created, he always exist. Ok, I am going to ask one last time. How do you know that he exists, that he created anything, what he is and that he is a he? |
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Which one? There are over 3000+ Gods to choose from. What selection criteria did you use to select your God?
When we talk of God, we are talking about the creator of this universe, all the other gods who did not create this world are not what we are discussing here John Lennox studied about ancient gods, he clearly explained how all those ancient gods such as greek gods, roman gods, hindu gods have theogony, which means they all have a creation story. The God we are talking about has no creation story, for this God is eternal. The ancient gods descended down from the heavens, God the creator created the heavens, this is the difference, and it is major one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3ghb6JG6A&t=742sNo creation story yet he created the universe. Well,... It is your overactive imagination filling in the blanks in your knowledge. Psychological comfort. That is all. Come back to me if you have anything other than your own assumptions and conjectures. |
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We are all free thinkers, we have the right to choose right or wrong. I know there are many atheists who are very humane, good people. But what if you are not seeing 100% of the truth as an atheist? What if there's something you still haven't seen? The purpose of life is not just to be a good person but to live enjoying it while honoring and obeying God. Remember not all theists are influenced, I have no religion however I know as a fact God exists. Have you seen a miracle? Have you ever seen something happen that is medically impossible. (there are many fake videos out there from very immoral people masked as Christians) Just pm me if you are interested and I will show some real miracles.
Which one? There are over 3000+ Gods to choose from. What selection criteria did you use to select your God? BTW, I am interested in some real miracles. Post them here. How did you determine they are the real miracles? |
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I don't believe that I should be killing anyone for working on Saturday. Murder is immoral. Morality does not change over time, murder is always immoral and will always be.
Examples of absolute morality?
Do not commit murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not cheat
Do not cause harm to others
These morals never change. Even a billion years from now, they remain true.
Lol, thanks Captain Obvious. You might not have thought about that but moral is exactly like fogs. Of course when you're in the center it's quite obvious where you are, but when do you decide when you're out of the fog? Where is the border? Where is the limit? Killing someone without reason is a crime, quite obvious thanks. Now what about killing someone to save two people? What about stealing the rich to feed the poor? Real life example: You find someone in your house at night while your kids are sleeping. What is considered as ok per your moral code? Hitting him? Shooting him? Well moral here is blurry and always difficult to deal with. If the guy is armed with a knife and seems looking for trouble, everyone will be ok with you shooting him and it will be considered as self defense. Now what if the guy is drunked and obviously just a student having a heavy party who made a stupid bet? You still have the right to be scared so what is ok? Of course 98% of the cases are simple. The problem is with the 2% perticular cases. That's the ones difficult where moral isn't all white or black. Sorry m0gliE, I wasn't referring to your post at all. I was answering af_newbie's question for examples of absolute morality. Self-defense is not murder, murder is premeditated attempt to take someone's life, absolutely immoral. No gray area. So the Bible, Quran and Talmud are all wrong. Thanks for agreeing. Now, go burn these texts and try to be a better person than the people who wrote these books. Instead of burning why not cherry-pick every good thing from these texts? We already did that. Modern secular laws. We have extended these good bits based on our modern understanding of human psychology, crime and punishment. People who wrote those texts would be pissed if they knew the moral code we follow today. Point is, the morality is relative and is not absolute. |
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I will if you provide me with one absolute moral code. Go ahead. I give you 15 minutes. Go.
Immanuel Kant "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law." What maxim is that? Jesus
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."
Not objective, i.e. not absolute. That can really go out of hand. The person who wrote it did not understand human psychology one bit. Some of us are born psychopaths, some are narcissists, some of us are masochists, some of us lack empathy, some of us do not understand biology and animal suffering, including human suffering, some of us are not educated. Do you see a problem? Hillel the Elder
"What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
Again, not objective. What is hateful to one person might not be hateful to the other. Dig deeper. |
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I don't believe that I should be killing anyone for working on Saturday. Murder is immoral. Morality does not change over time, murder is always immoral and will always be.
Examples of absolute morality?
Do not commit murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not cheat
Do not cause harm to others
These morals never change. Even a billion years from now, they remain true.
Lol, thanks Captain Obvious. You might not have thought about that but moral is exactly like fogs. Of course when you're in the center it's quite obvious where you are, but when do you decide when you're out of the fog? Where is the border? Where is the limit? Killing someone without reason is a crime, quite obvious thanks. Now what about killing someone to save two people? What about stealing the rich to feed the poor? Real life example: You find someone in your house at night while your kids are sleeping. What is considered as ok per your moral code? Hitting him? Shooting him? Well moral here is blurry and always difficult to deal with. If the guy is armed with a knife and seems looking for trouble, everyone will be ok with you shooting him and it will be considered as self defense. Now what if the guy is drunked and obviously just a student having a heavy party who made a stupid bet? You still have the right to be scared so what is ok? Of course 98% of the cases are simple. The problem is with the 2% perticular cases. That's the ones difficult where moral isn't all white or black. Sorry m0gliE, I wasn't referring to your post at all. I was answering af_newbie's question for examples of absolute morality. Self-defense is not murder, murder is premeditated attempt to take someone's life, absolutely immoral. No gray area. So the Bible, Quran and Talmud are all wrong. Thanks for agreeing. Now, go burn these texts and try to be a better person than the people who wrote these books. |
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God does not kill us for working on Sabbath. God loves us, why would he do that? I do not believe in a God who murders people, promotes slavery, supports rape etc either Don't change the subject. I said "you", not "God". If the morality is absolute and true as provided by God in the Bible, you should be killing everyone who works on Saturday or is gay. If you don't, you are either immoral or get your morality from somewhere else, i.e. your morality is not absolute. Just admit that morality is not absolute and it does change over time. I would suggest instead that you consider admitting that morality is absolute and eternal. Sin ultimately is just error. We often forget this and get confused by our own emotions and feelings about particular errors that upset us more then others or from having a strong desire for error. I will if you provide me with one absolute moral code. Go ahead. I give you 15 minutes. Go. |
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God does not kill us for working on Sabbath. God loves us, why would he do that? I do not believe in a God who murders people, promotes slavery, supports rape etc either Don't change the subject. I said "you", not "God". If the morality is absolute and true as provided by God in the Bible, you should be killing everyone who works on Saturday or is gay. If you don't, you are either immoral or get your morality from somewhere else, i.e. your morality is not absolute. Just admit that morality is not absolute and it does change over time. When was the last time we burned someone at the stake for criticizing the church? Why are we not doing it now? When was the last time we delivered electroshocks to gay people? Why are we not doing it now? |
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Look at you, you are running up the hills with your Jesus under your arm. So now it is the creator, not God who will punish you in hell?
I thought you wanted to argue that you need religion or believe in God to be moral?
You are full of it like the rest of the apologetics.
Morality comes from the community, the society you grew up in. Some of us are born with empathy, some of us learn it from our parents, our friends, other members of one's family. Some of us end up breaking the moral rules regardless what some tombstone or a book says.
While others are good and moral people DESPITE what the scriptures say, i.e. own slaves, stone adulterers or kill gays etc.
So take your apologetic BS and shove it deep up your ass because that is where it belongs.
Be a good person, and stop being a moron.
I am not sure I understand the difference between God and the creator To me, they are synonymous. God created the universe, some call him God, others call him the Supreme Creator, they are the same. I am not trying to shift anything. I believe that morality is absolute, not relative. This word "empathy" is also highly relative. A meat eater has no empathy for the chicken or the cow he is eating, is this empathy only applied for human beings? When was last time you killed someone who worked on Saturday? If you did not, you are the walking, breathing proof that morality is not absolute. Full stop. |
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Aren't we all?
You are an atheist with respect to 2999+ Gods humans invented over the years. Some of us are atheists with respect to one more God than you.
You don't believe in Osiris, Zeus, Quetzalcoatl or Mitra, do you?
This question has been answered by John Lennox in this interviewTime where he answered the question starts at around the 09:55 minute mark Lennox is learnt in the study of ancient theology, I am not. He makes a clear differentiation between God the Creator and all those ancient gods. Look at you, you are running up the hills with your Jesus under your arm. So now it is the creator, not God who will punish you in hell? I thought you wanted to argue that you need religion or believe in God to be moral? You are full of it like the rest of the apologetics. Morality comes from the community, the society you grew up in. Some of us are born with empathy, some of us learn it from our parents, our friends, other members of one's family. Some of us end up breaking the moral rules regardless what some tombstone or a book says. While others are good and moral people DESPITE what the scriptures say, i.e. own slaves, stone adulterers or kill gays etc. So take your apologetic BS and shove it deep up your ass because that is where it belongs. Be a good person, and stop being a moron. |
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Those child molesting priests are examples of people who use religion as a front to cover their hidden motives, they do not represent theists in any way. In fact, I believe that they don't know or believe in God, for they would never dare to do such a thing right in front of God.
Theists are people who know that God is always in their presence, those priests are clearly atheists.
Aren't we all? You are an atheist with respect to 2999+ Gods humans invented over the years. Some of us are atheists with respect to one more God than you. You don't believe in Osiris, Zeus, Quetzalcoatl or Mitra, do you? |
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