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BTW, it is not 'God' who is transforming you, it is you who is transforming you
Those are not mutually exclusive possibilities. Why do you need a new word for it? If it is energy that is within us, call it that and be done with it. Why continue to use this intricate mythology around the concepts that are well understood today? Not sure I am following you? What new word? We bring God into this world via our faith and subsequent actions. In the process we transform both ourselves and the world. We are the ones doing the work but the work and transformation is only possible because of God. I meant to say another word: God. Energy is energy. You don't need an ancient nomenclature to describe energy. People who wrote scriptures did not know what energy was so they came up with some magical description of the world. They did not know what planet they were on, what is the function of Sun, what was in their bodies, what the sky they saw was etc. What transformation are you talking about? Are you 'transforming' right now? Can you post the before and after pictures from your transformation? What exactly did you transform? Please be specific. |
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BTW, it is not 'God' who is transforming you, it is you who is transforming you
Those are not mutually exclusive possibilities. Why do you need a new word for it? If it is energy that is within us, call it that and be done with it. Why continue to use this intricate mythology around the concepts that are well understood today? |
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A murderer who kills and repents may indeed be less evil then a man who denies God and lives an outwardly unassuming life. ...
I think your moral compass is skewed. If I live my selfless life helping others, caring for poor and needy, never harmed anyone, I am eviler than a murderer just because I think that the fictional characters are fictional? Who thought you such garbage? Ask for a refund. You may indeed do all those good things now. Maybe you are the utterly selfless individual Astargath was imagining upthread. In that event it is unquestionable that you are going good in the here and now and should be commended for it. However that’s not the most important question when discussing an afterlife. More important then what you have done so far is what you would do if given tremendously more power then you currently have and an eternity of time to work with. What fundamental core belief do hold that will keep you on the path of good. After eons of serving the poor and needy what would prevent you from ever becomming bored and deciding one day to glorify and serve yourself with your great power instead of using it to serve others? The answer of course is that it is the genuine acceptance that we are the stewards not the owners of God’s creation that our accomplishments are a reflection of his glory not our own. That willing subjugation is what prevents the self from becomming destructive. Subjugation to the Bronze Age way of thinking can bring you to destruction in a New York minute. Fictional characters remain fictional, no matter what you or I believe. So god is a fictional character? I personally know that I don’t know that igod is fictional. I also personally know that I don’t know that god is real. Since I simply don’t know which is true and that is the real truth for me I don’t choose to believe in either one. I live my life as if it is real and it matters what I do to myself and the rest of the people that seem to be in the same spot that I am in. I also wonder if god believers were given something extra to have that belief. I also wonder if atheists were given something extra to have that belief. I hope one day I will be able to know which to believe but if I don’t no biggie. Of course. The God character is only in fictional books. You will not find God character in your science or history book. Only religious fairy tales (aka scriptures) present this character. |
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Subjugation to the Bronze Age way of thinking can bring you to destruction in a New York minute.
Fictional characters remain fictional, no matter what you or I believe.
Actually the opposite is true. Rejecting God is what brings destruction down upon you. It is not the destruction of a vengeful entity but the tragedy of foolish self destruction. Most people don’t understand the foundation their society was built upon and what is necessary to sustain it. Your error is your focus. Your seem to think that the important question is what exists out there apart from you. That is certainly an interesting question but ultimitally secondary. The important question is what exists inside of you. What is there at your essence that can be built upon. God is something transforms you a necessary foundation. 99% of the human body is composed of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_bodyWhen you die, the atoms in your body end up in something else. BTW, it is not 'God' who is transforming you, it is you who is transforming you, but you deluded yourself to think it is 'God'. |
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A murderer who kills and repents may indeed be less evil then a man who denies God and lives an outwardly unassuming life. ...
I think your moral compass is skewed. If I live my selfless life helping others, caring for poor and needy, never harmed anyone, I am eviler than a murderer just because I think that the fictional characters are fictional? Who thought you such garbage? Ask for a refund. You may indeed do all those good things now. Maybe you are the utterly selfless individual Astargath was imagining upthread. In that event it is unquestionable that you are going good in the here and now and should be commended for it. However that’s not the most important question when discussing an afterlife. More important then what you have done so far is what you would do if given tremendously more power then you currently have and an eternity of time to work with. What fundamental core belief do hold that will keep you on the path of good. After eons of serving the poor and needy what would prevent you from ever becomming bored and deciding one day to glorify and serve yourself with your great power instead of using it to serve others? The answer of course is that it is the genuine acceptance that we are the stewards not the owners of God’s creation that our accomplishments are a reflection of his glory not our own. That willing subjugation is what prevents the self from becomming destructive. Subjugation to the Bronze Age way of thinking can bring you to destruction in a New York minute. Fictional characters remain fictional, no matter what you or I believe. |
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A murderer who kills and repents may indeed be less evil then a man who denies God and lives an outwardly unassuming life. ...
I think your moral compass is skewed. If I live my selfless life helping others, caring for poor and needy, never harmed anyone, I am eviler than a murderer just because I think that the fictional characters are fictional? Who thought you such garbage? Ask for a refund. Your thinking is skewed. Any imperfection is a killer... not only the imperfection of people killing people. The idea is to be saved out of the imperfection. That is what God does through repentance from unbelief in God and Jesus salvation, be it an imperfect killer, or a person who is imperfect in any other way. An atheist is dumber than the demons. The demons at least know that God exists, even though they are locked into their position of being against God.  Why did God create Atheists dumber than demons? To punish them in the hereafter? Your Honor, I submit to you the proof that God had malicious intent. |
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A murderer who kills and repents may indeed be less evil then a man who denies God and lives an outwardly unassuming life. ...
I think your moral compass is skewed. If I live my selfless life helping others, caring for poor and needy, never harmed anyone, I am eviler than a murderer just because I think that the fictional characters are fictional? Who thought you such garbage? Ask for a refund. |
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Nobody lives without religion. People who use formal religion to harm other people are generally liars and criminals, because most formal religions have the good of people in mind... technically, in their writings and in the way they should be practiced. People who have a religion of goodness and love, though it is not any formal religion, do better than crooks who use formal religion to do bad things. Most formal religions have good people in them, who prove their goodness by doing good things. No matter how good a person might be, in either his formal religion, or in his personal religion, if he denies the existence of God, he is fundamentally worse than if he had been the worst kind of criminal who understood and accepted the existence of God. Why? Because God is way more important that anything else, and all other things combined. ''if he denies the existence of God, he is fundamentally worse than if he had been the worst kind of criminal who understood and accepted the existence of God. Why? Because God is way more important that anything else, and all other things combined.'' Take a moment to read this folks. Sometimes the true colors of his mental illness come out. Most of the time he manages to hide it behind 'being religious'. The sad part is he does not know that he is mentally ill, but then again, not many mental patients do. Thanks, you guys. Perhaps now everybody will see and understand how important God is - Who holds your life and all that you think and do in His hands. I'm kinda amazed that you do not at least revere Him, if not downright fear Him. Respect him, fear him? Do you revere or fear wolf from the Red Riding Hood?You don't get it. You have been brainwashed to fear the idea of hell, God, spirits etc. The reality is that all of these ideas are fictional. There is no hell, no God, no souls, end of story. Lights out. Your 'God' is only in your mind, nowhere else. |
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Nobody lives without religion. People who use formal religion to harm other people are generally liars and criminals, because most formal religions have the good of people in mind... technically, in their writings and in the way they should be practiced. People who have a religion of goodness and love, though it is not any formal religion, do better than crooks who use formal religion to do bad things. Most formal religions have good people in them, who prove their goodness by doing good things. No matter how good a person might be, in either his formal religion, or in his personal religion, if he denies the existence of God, he is fundamentally worse than if he had been the worst kind of criminal who understood and accepted the existence of God. Why? Because God is way more important that anything else, and all other things combined. ''if he denies the existence of God, he is fundamentally worse than if he had been the worst kind of criminal who understood and accepted the existence of God. Why? Because God is way more important that anything else, and all other things combined.'' Take a moment to read this folks. Sometimes the true colors of his mental illness come out. Most of the time he manages to hide it behind 'being religious'. The sad part is he does not know that he is mentally ill, but then again, not many mental patients do. |
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^^^ This is a good point. But not all religious people follow this point. What should you do if people of a different religion attack you? Should you maintain peace by letting them kill you? Or should you fight them to protect your life and your religion... to say nothing about protecting your family? That is what Jesus did. Follow Jesus, LOL. No, that isn't what Jesus did. Here's what Jesus did. Luke 4:28-30: 28All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way. More than likely Jesus didn't have a gun. Did He use karate or some other form of martial arts? Did he slip into another dimension; could the people see Him? Did He turn Himself into a solid iron-like mass that they couldn't resist? Did He simply freeze all the people? Did He cause them to fall to the ground like He did the mob that came out to arrest Him in John 18? Again you show your lack of understanding of the Bible. No wonder you aren't saved. You misunderstood all the teaching you received. Gonna leave this here. You misunderstand with your video. God authorizes everything... I never thought you would agree that God 'authorizes' babies to be born with HIV or with open spines. Nice plan, LOL. How you make sense of all of this is beyond me. BTW, why is your God a sadistic killer? |
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^^^ This is a good point. But not all religious people follow this point. What should you do if people of a different religion attack you? Should you maintain peace by letting them kill you? Or should you fight them to protect your life and your religion... to say nothing about protecting your family? That is what Jesus did. Follow Jesus, LOL. |
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Most of the if we look to the science it contradict from religion but also tells us to understands it. Then how to comprehend this when the both of these things are really important in your life?
They are mutually exclusive. Science provides answers based on scientific evidence.
Religion provides answers without scientific evidence.Ask yourself what is soul, where is it? Where is heaven, what is it? Where is hell, what is it? Define God? Where does God live? Why no scientist is studying God? |
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Even if you limit the number of children to one per family, you'll still have a pollution problem for foreseeable future. Are you ready for a mandatory vasectomy after your first child? If not, you have no right to speak about climate change because you are the root cause. More people are being born than die; you have positive feedback that needs to be controlled before it makes this planet uninhabitable. |
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Give me your BEST historical CONTEMPORARY evidence of Jesus existence or be quiet forever.
I have no fucking interest to re-hash ALL your bullshit list, I just picked the first one in your list.
Give me your ONE, best example and I will bury you with evidence to the contrary.
Stop talking 'Christian', I don't speak it. I have no idea what souls, salvation, hell or heaven are. They do not exist and are undefined.
So use English, not Christian English if you want to get anywhere with me.
I'm not here to play your games. You can't just decide what is truth. Truth is truth. Either you accept the truth or you don't. You still have time to be saved. So I conclude you don't have any examples. Well, think about it. Maybe you will find a way out of your madness. It doesn't surprise me no matter what you conclude. Why not? You would rather play with rhetoric than look at things that show you the truth. You don't know what epistemology is, never mind the truth. You don't have the tools to distinguish what is true and what is false. Good luck to you. BTW, you believe in a fairy tale. You don't believe me? Investigate who wrote the scriptures, when they were written and why? The picture is clear to anyone with half a brain. |
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Give me your BEST historical CONTEMPORARY evidence of Jesus existence or be quiet forever.
I have no fucking interest to re-hash ALL your bullshit list, I just picked the first one in your list.
Give me your ONE, best example and I will bury you with evidence to the contrary.
Stop talking 'Christian', I don't speak it. I have no idea what souls, salvation, hell or heaven are. They do not exist and are undefined.
So use English, not Christian English if you want to get anywhere with me.
I'm not here to play your games. You can't just decide what is truth. Truth is truth. Either you accept the truth or you don't. You still have time to be saved. So I conclude you don't have any examples. Well, think about it. Maybe you will find a way out of your madness. |
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Again, your "fact 6" is not a piece of contemporary evidence in Jesus existence. Get it? Discovery of Nazareth, burial box discovered in 1961? Are you fucking kidding me?
You are clueless. Any important historical figure has corresponding CONTEMPORARY historical evidence. Except for Jesus, the key figure in the cult followed by billions of people!!!! Do you see the disconnect?
Because there is no contemporary historical evidence, I can only conclude that the story of Jesus was concocted generations after the fact, probably for political reasons, to avoid any contemporary fact checking. There were no people alive to contradict the stories written in the New Testament, that is why they were written a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus' death. There was no one to collaborate or to contradict the stories, so you could write whatever you wanted, magic, supernatural shit, and anything in between.
Again, what is not contemporary about things that are in existence today, and that are understood in their existence today? All you are trying to do is play word games. I don't blame you for doing this. It's just about the only thing you can do to try to prove that Jesus/God doesn't exist. However, why you want the reality of science, and then want to discard aspects of it, is a perplexing question. Maybe English is not your first language, so let me explain again. Please provide a written record by any historian who lived at the same time as Jesus did. All important historical figures have corresponding historical evidence from the time when THEY LIVED. Not "fairy tales from the crypt" written generations after the fact. You guys are back peddling but you got zip, zilch, nada. The difficult part is figuring out what you mean at times. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and St. Paul were contemporaries of Jesus. You have read them and know this. So, who would have guessed that you meant contemporaries of Jesus? Even Josephus was born only a year or two after Jesus's resurrection. BTW, since Jesus is alive, we are all contemporaries of His. You got it all wrong. Let's start with the Book of 'Matthew'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_MatthewIt was written around 80 to 90 AD by the anonymous author. Do you have any more anonymous contemporaries of Jesus? The who thing is one fucking fairy tale written by who knows who, who knows when. You are going to be disappointed if place your trust in Wikipedia. Wiki is good for getting a general idea of things, but the details are often very biased. See https://crossexamined.org/wrote-gospel-matthew/ for info about why Matthew spoke his book to a scribe. But why pick on Matthew? Of course. It's easy to pick on what might be the weakest link in the chain. Have you already lost it? Or are you going to find salvation for you soul one of these days? Give me your BEST historical CONTEMPORARY evidence of Jesus existence or be quiet forever. I have no fucking interest to re-hash ALL your bullshit list, I just picked the first one in your list. Give me your ONE, best example and I will bury you with evidence to the contrary. Stop talking 'Christian', I don't speak it. I have no idea what souls, salvation, hell or heaven are. They do not exist and are undefined. So use English, not Christian English if you want to get anywhere with me. |
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Again, your "fact 6" is not a piece of contemporary evidence in Jesus existence. Get it? Discovery of Nazareth, burial box discovered in 1961? Are you fucking kidding me?
You are clueless. Any important historical figure has corresponding CONTEMPORARY historical evidence. Except for Jesus, the key figure in the cult followed by billions of people!!!! Do you see the disconnect?
Because there is no contemporary historical evidence, I can only conclude that the story of Jesus was concocted generations after the fact, probably for political reasons, to avoid any contemporary fact checking. There were no people alive to contradict the stories written in the New Testament, that is why they were written a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus' death. There was no one to collaborate or to contradict the stories, so you could write whatever you wanted, magic, supernatural shit, and anything in between.
Again, what is not contemporary about things that are in existence today, and that are understood in their existence today? All you are trying to do is play word games. I don't blame you for doing this. It's just about the only thing you can do to try to prove that Jesus/God doesn't exist. However, why you want the reality of science, and then want to discard aspects of it, is a perplexing question. Maybe English is not your first language, so let me explain again. Please provide a written record by any historian who lived at the same time as Jesus did. All important historical figures have corresponding historical evidence from the time when THEY LIVED. Not "fairy tales from the crypt" written generations after the fact. You guys are back peddling but you got zip, zilch, nada. The difficult part is figuring out what you mean at times. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and St. Paul were contemporaries of Jesus. You have read them and know this. So, who would have guessed that you meant contemporaries of Jesus? Even Josephus was born only a year or two after Jesus's resurrection. BTW, since Jesus is alive, we are all contemporaries of His. You got it all wrong. Let's start with the Book of 'Matthew'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_MatthewIt was written around 80 to 90 AD by the anonymous author. Do you have any more anonymous contemporaries of Jesus? The whole thing is one fucking fairy tale written by who knows who, who knows when. |
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Again, your "fact 6" is not a piece of contemporary evidence in Jesus existence. Get it? Discovery of Nazareth, burial box discovered in 1961? Are you fucking kidding me?
You are clueless. Any important historical figure has corresponding CONTEMPORARY historical evidence. Except for Jesus, the key figure in the cult followed by billions of people!!!! Do you see the disconnect?
Because there is no contemporary historical evidence, I can only conclude that the story of Jesus was concocted generations after the fact, probably for political reasons, to avoid any contemporary fact checking. There were no people alive to contradict the stories written in the New Testament, that is why they were written a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus' death. There was no one to collaborate or to contradict the stories, so you could write whatever you wanted, magic, supernatural shit, and anything in between.
Again, what is not contemporary about things that are in existence today, and that are understaood in their existence today? All you are trying to do is play word games. I don't blame you for doing this. It's just about the only thing you can do to try to prove that Jesus/God doesn't exist. However, why you want the reality of science, and then want to discard aspects of it, is a perplexing question. Maybe English is not your first language, so let me explain again. Please provide a written record by any historian who lived at the same time as Jesus did. All important historical figures have corresponding historical evidence from the time when THEY LIVED. Not "fairy tales from the crypt" written generations after the fact. You guys are back peddling but you got zip, zilch, nada. |
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Dude, the dictionary has definitions of all the gods too, does that mean they exist?
Did you miss the part in the definitions that talks about them being mythology? I did yea because it doesn't say anything about that, the supreme deity of the ancient Greeks, a son of Cronus and Rhea, brother of Demeter, Hades, Hera, Hestia, and Poseidon, and father of a number of gods, demigods, and mortals; the god of the heavens, identified by the Romans with Jupiter. So now Zeus has to be real because it's in the dictionary, right? Of course Zeus and other gods are real. They must have some sort of reality for them to be in the dictionary. The pint is, that when you look at how they are described, they are shown to be lied about, and to be weak... not really gods... but slightly more in the direction of God than people are. The real God of the universe is being shown to be almighty and real. How? Many ways. But one way is easily seen. The Bible that talks about God, is spreading around the world way more than the gods of the nations. In fact, if there are any Zeus believers regarding his godhood, they are few and far between. God is real. Zeus is mythology. That is not very Christian of you. What is next? Are you going to crucify all the Greeks who practice Hellenism today? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenism_(religion) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBpNu4_TP9wBADecker, 'ee-se malaka'!!! |
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Not so fast apeman, not so fast.
That is a lie and spirit of antichrist. Your ticket is almost set.
You can't debunk historical fact of The Lord Jesus existence and overwhelming number of facts, you can research.
Fact1: The Bible has more manuscript evidence than any ten pieces of ancient literature combined. There are more than 24000 copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today some of which date back
to the first century AD.
Fact2: The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, contains all books of the Old Testament except Esther and includes a copy of the Book of Enoch. These manuscripts confirmed
that the Old Testament Scriptures were translated accurately for the last 2300 years.
Fact3: The Septuagint version first translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew to Greek done by the king of Egypt Ptolemy II Philadelphus around 250 B.C. in famous library in Alexandria.
Fact4: The quantity&specificity of fulfilled Bible prophecy is the "DNA" evidence of the God of the Bible Jesus being True Creator.
Fact5: The early church fathers confirmed the writings of the apostles aka the New Testament canon in their writings long before the corrupt Roma Catholic church came into existence in 313 AD.
Fact6: Archeological discoveries have confirmed specific New Testament people, places and events - The Pilate Stone discovered at the site of Caesarea Maritima in 1961, burial box of James the brother of Jesus,
the discovery of Nazareth, Peter's house in Capernaum, pool of Siloam, The Shroud of Turin, etc...
Fact7: First century historians confirm the existence of Jesus Christ, His miracles, His crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, His resurrection from the dead, christian disciples continuing his teachings.
Fact8: Plenty of manuscripts, for example John Rylands MS(AD 130), Bodmer Papyrus II (AD 150-200), A.Chester Beatty Papyri (AD 200), The Muratorian Canon Fragment (AD 175) etc,etc...
Fact9: Acknowledging the life of Jesus Christ of the Bible: Titus Flavius Josephus, non christian historian-The Complete works of Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus a Roman senator and historian AD 56-117-The Annals
The only proof of love is The Truth.
Don't be ignorant clown like this ape guy who thinks that he is a monkey living on a spinning ball. Read your Bible and ask for understanding, do your research.
Show me one contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence. Ape. Did you forget to look at Fact 6, above? Those are all contemporary finds. Relax. Slow down. You just might be saved yet. OMG, Shroud of Turin? LOL. BADecker, do you want to buy a Brooklyn Bridge? I have one for sale. Only 2 BTC. Comes with the Certificate of Authenticity, confirmed by the leading 'bridge industry' experts. LOL. You also need to buy a clue. How can you be so stupid and gullible is beyond me. Nobody believes you. Why? Because you only pick and choose the one thing that might be questionable. Jesus is real. Why do I say "is?" Because He was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, and has ascended higher than the Heavens, to fill the whole universe. Jesus lives and reigns over the whole universe. He and the Father have sent the Holy Spirit to us. This Holy Spirit is a Spirit of patience and forgiveness towards all who repent (turn away from their unbelief in Jesus/God), and believe. But, He will be an avenging Spirit against all who remain stiff-necked in their own unbelieving way. Again, your "fact 6" is not a piece of contemporary evidence in Jesus existence. Get it? Discovery of Nazareth, burial box discovered in 1961? Are you fucking kidding me? You are clueless. Any important historical figure has corresponding CONTEMPORARY historical evidence. Except for Jesus, the key figure in the cult followed by billions of people!!!! Do you see the disconnect? Because there is no contemporary historical evidence, I can only conclude that the story of Jesus was concocted generations after the fact, probably for political reasons, to avoid any contemporary fact checking. There were no people alive to contradict the stories written in the New Testament, that is why they were written a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus' death. There was no one to collaborate or to contradict the stories, so you could write whatever you wanted, magic, supernatural shit, and anything in between. |
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