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1581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: December 26, 2018, 03:31:02 PM

Evolution is indeed adaption over a few generations, so thank you for agreeing.

The Model T Ford evolved into other vehicles. So, evolution happens with cars and trucks.

Evolution Theory Evolution (ETE) did not happen. But we have been through this before. And you still haven't been able to provide any proof for ETE.

Evolution remains a hoax.

Cool

I think you don't know what the theory of evolution is.  That is why you keep saying it is a hoax.
1582  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 26, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
....

Christians drink, do drugs, hit their wives, sexually abuse their children then go to confession on Sunday and all is good and forgiven....

Well, it's party time.

Enjoy.

No Christian believes or practices this way of life, and if he does, then he is making a mockery of the religion and God. He would not considered to be a real Christian, just someone trying to take advantage of forgiveness. We can lie to others, but we can't lie to ourselves or to God.

Sincerity in repentance is the key to being forgiven.

You are right. But "repentance" alone is too broad.

Dictionary.com says repent means:
to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often followed by of): He repented after his thoughtless act.

In other words, the most vile of human beings might feel sorry about something he did. He might truly wish he had not done that bad thing. And the fact that he is still alive shows the forgiveness of God.

Okay, great. But what about salvation to eternal life? Nobody can repent enough to make it to Heaven, right? I mean, if you could repent sufficiently in this life, you would stop getting older to the point where you wouldn't die? Why? Because you would be forgiven all the way. Aging shows that people can't repent enough to stay alive.

So, what is it that a person needs to repent of to gain eternal life in Heaven? And if he repents of this, will he stop doing bad things? - after all, he will continue to age. And he still might curse a bit, or smoke and drink at times, or hurt somebody's feelings by what he says, or even steal once in a while, or not honor his parents properly on occasion, or talk bad about someone falsely, or be tempted into having covetous desires for something that is not his, or dabble in science theory which borders on a form of witchcraft if not being such, or if he is a cop, kill somebody.

Repentance of none of these will save him from death to eternal life in Heaven. So, what is it that you have to repent of to get to Heaven?

Cool

1583  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Was Abraham mentally ill? on: December 26, 2018, 02:07:55 PM

The Abraham story was in the FUCKING BIBLE. 

Let me re-phrase the question, was God clinically insane?


The story of Abraham and God was a story about absolute faith. Abraham's faith in God was being tested, but God had absolutely zero intention of killing Isaac.

We might consider the test a dangerous method as Isaac could have been killed had Abraham acted rashly, but God knew Abraham far better than we do. Isaac was never going to die that day under God's watch.


How do you know? Prove it.

Why did God not test this woman in the same way?  Did God want her to kill her daughter? She followed the Bible, his word.

Did God not know this woman?  Didn't he create her?

I think your God was an accessory before the fact.
1584  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Was Abraham mentally ill? on: December 25, 2018, 09:19:59 PM
If I touch you with a magic wand and give you a brain disease, does that now make atheism equally as invalid as your mind degenerates?

I would like to rephrase this question.

If a mentally ill atheist does evil acts based on her Godless beliefs, would that mean that atheism is evil? Surely not.

So if a mentally ill theist did evil acts based on her God beliefs, would that mean that religion is evil?


Regarding the Abraham story, Abraham did not kill his child, the woman did. To me, that is the key difference.

Both of you guys missed the boat.

The Abraham story was in the FUCKING BIBLE. 

Let me re-phrase the question, was God clinically insane?
1585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 24, 2018, 08:41:45 PM
Religion was invented in order to deter stupid people so that fewer people commit bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence.

So religion is good then. We don't want stupid people committing bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence.

As good as any Jesus camp near you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

Thanks for the vid. I was referring to the logic that religion was invented to deter stupid people from committing bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence. Anything that could deter stupid people from committing bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence is a good thing in my opinion.

Or you could have a secular legal framework that accomplishes pretty much the same.  Religions were needed in the past, I agree.

You needed an invisible guy in the sky to control a horde of barbarians at your city gates.  But not today.

Besides, religions today are pretty much ineffective even in their primary function, to scare people not to do bad stuff.

How many priests sexually abused little children today?  But who is counting?  Not Christians or Pope, that is for sure.

Christians drink, do drugs, hit their wives, sexually abuse their children then go to confession on Sunday and all is good and forgiven.

How is that system suppose to work?  I do something bad, then go to confession, I am all cleared and can sin again.
At least with the secular law, you end up in jail and get some real punishment.

If God would separate bad men from their heads in an instance, well, that is God I would follow.

They are selling an invisible product, with delivery after you die, but you have to pay upfront in cash. LOL.
How gullible can you be?

1586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Was Abraham mentally ill? on: December 24, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
Out of all the US historical figures, in my opinion Abraham Lincoln least deserves admiration. He was known for not being particularly intelligent, had a grade school level education, and was in reality quite a tyrant. He locked up many journalists and politicians who disagreed with his policies. He also almost single handedly delivered this nation into banker servitude, nearly destroying it in the process. His father was very abusive and neglectful, so it would not shock me to see some of that trauma or genetic inclination to have manifest in him.

Genesis 22

Merry Isaac Newton Day!!!
1587  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 24, 2018, 04:22:51 PM
Religion is the opium of the poor and the rage of the loser while god is the maker of losers
Religion was invented in order to deter stupid people so that fewer people commit bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence.

So religion is good then. We don't want stupid people committing bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence.

As good as any Jesus camp near you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac
1588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian - Merry Christmas to all!!! on: December 24, 2018, 04:11:46 PM
... and ordered the elimination of entire ... and trees!

No one ever talks about the trees.  They had it bad too but are completely forgotten in history LOL!  Wink

Dogma that exploits fear and encourages group think in any form is really dangerous. Religion is just the most successful and thus most horrific example because.  Fear keeps animals alive, it is our most primal of instincts to fight or flight and that decision is purely based on a fear expectation result.  In order to reduce a fear based reaction which we hate because they can lead to death if wrong, a lot of animals find protection in groups, it comforts them immensely.

How about adding to the list at 11 something like.

You think that "re-branding" words from the bible like slavery to a really good social security program for its time somehow changes the meaning of the words and texts!

I wonder how many "Christians" know the name Yaweh without looking it up! just a little buttress for #1

re: trees
"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."
"Only the trees which you know are not fruit trees you shall destroy and cut down"

I added your point about the reinterpretation and redefinitions of words.
1589  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: December 24, 2018, 03:31:52 PM


Evolution is a hoax.

 Cheesy

Is it because the Jewish rabbi created the universe a few thousand years ago plus 6 days and evolution could not have happened in a few thousands of years? 

Or is it because there was a global flood where all animals and plants were killed and only the ones that were on a wooden boat survived, is that why the evolution is a hoax?

Is the evolution a hoax because the Jewish rabbi spirit created the first man from dirt?  Is that why?

You are a comedian.  Notbatman level.

1590  Other / Politics & Society / Was Abraham mentally ill? on: December 24, 2018, 03:18:43 PM
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/12/20/woman-who-drowned-and-burned-daughter-to-please-god-cleared-of-murder-charges/

1591  Other / Politics & Society / Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian - Merry Christmas to all!!! on: December 24, 2018, 02:09:59 PM
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian:
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10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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The above list can be also applied to Muslims or Jews with small corrections.  Just replace the atrocities, name of the holy book and the name of the religion.  All other details apply equally.

PS.  Few bonus signs:

1. You constantly reinterpret and redefine words like slavery, stoning, killing or murder to make sense of the sadistic passages in the Bible.
 ... more to follow ...
1592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 23, 2018, 08:55:53 PM
....I think it is quite possible a technologically superior extraterrestrial being could pull much of this off. ....

That statement has been guarded against in the various creeds by making the JC "the son of god" with a bunch of mumbo jumbo about trinity, and various other beliefs such as "personal relationship with God," eg, not a low level representative of him.

But there is no question, the universe is far wider and richer than we can ever know, and we have only seen a small amount of what is likely out there.




  Exactly. Modern science doesn't even fully understand exactly what the universe is made of, hence "dark energy" and "dark matter." The explanation may be that our mathematical theories are inadequate or there truely is "stuff" out there that we have absolutely no idea of what it actually is.

Exactly.  Let's not pretend we do by making some outlandish claims that a Jewish rabbi created the universe, holy trinity musketeers etc.
1593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 23, 2018, 07:16:48 PM

But if you come out and believe in all major religions, all I can say you are definitely delusional as the fundamentals of each religion are based on nonsense.  Pregnant women cannot be virgins, people don't come back from dead, horses do not have wings to fly to outer space, people cannot part oceans to cross on land.  If you can demonstrate that any of it is possible, please post a youtube video.  


     Perhaps not 2000+ years ago; however, with the modern miracle of science, it is quite possible for a pregnant woman to be a virgin. Also, emergency rooms bring back people from the dead all the time. Perhaps not people that are dead for more than a few moments, but brought back nevertheless. Furthermore, science is getting better at genetic engineering. It may be possible to create a horse with wings that can fly. Probably not all the way to outer space though and the horse probably could not be full size. (Although some pterodactyls were quite large.) Also, we cannot part the ocean at this time. However, a few more advances in science may make even this feat economically viable.
     Personally, I consider myself an agnostic. However, I think it is quite possible a technologically superior extraterrestrial being could pull much of this off. What we can do today with our fingertips would have been considered quite magical one hundred years ago.



That should be enough for anyone to stop believing in Bullshit 1.0, and all other versions that were based on it.

Did you know that there are magic stones inside the Moon's core that influence our mood swings?  Go ahead start your religion.  Call it Bullshit 4.0
1594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 23, 2018, 06:16:29 PM
The only thing that an atheist is trying to do is, set up himself or mankind up as God.

At least the agnostic is smart enough to understand that there is a God far above mankind.

Cool

The atheist does not set himself up as God, in fact an atheist thinks mankind evolved from microorganisms. In the distant future, some potentially more advanced species might overtake us and consider us homo sapiens as primitive animals too. There is no God in atheism, the concept is a man-made fantasy.

The agnostic is not smarter than the average atheist or theist, he basically claims the evidence are insufficient for both sides, and admits that the truth is beyond our understanding.

A theist understand that God is much greater than he is. The theist knows that his own ideas might be flawed or incomplete because there is a God.

The atheist is making his own determinations about his incompleteness. So, he is setting himself up as God, even though he says the opposite. After all, there is nothing greater than he is that makes his own determinations. So, he is essentially saying that he has God-understanding to make his determinations.

The dictionary says that "agnostic" means someone who understands that God exists - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/agnostic.

Cool

Read the rest of the sentence in the dictionary definition.  Agnostic is someone who holds that the existence of God is unknown.

We all are agnostic in a way.  Some of us are more convinced in God's nonexistence or existence than others.

You might be 99% theist and 1% agnostic, someone else might be 99% atheist and 1% agnostic.  Others are 100% sure one-way or another.

In the end, it does not matter as there is no scientific evidence of God's existence, so it is a moot point.

Some people are just imagining what they want to imagine, others come up with philosophical inductions to convince themselves that what they believe makes sense.  While atheists are just not convinced that the proofs that theists present are valid.

As for the scriptures, I hope we all can agree that they contain a lot of nonsense.

You might believe that Osiris or Jesus came back from the dead, but that is just being delusional.  You can believe in some pantheistic God, but in the end, you are probably deluding yourself as well.

But if you come out and believe in all major religions, all I can say you are definitely delusional as the fundamentals of each religion are based on nonsense.  Pregnant women cannot be virgins, people don't come back from dead, horses do not have wings to fly to outer space, people cannot part oceans to cross on land.  If you can demonstrate that any of it is possible, please post a youtube video.  

Look up the definition of delusional.  


1595  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: December 22, 2018, 08:00:14 PM
The gyroscopically triggered gun is the is the ultimate instrument of truth; globalist liars get shot in the head. The trigger pulled by the tendency of a gyroscope to maintain a fixed position in space. It's the fusion of truth and justice embodied in a single precision crafted machine. For less than 50¢ per goofball the world can be clensed of these bloodsuckers for good.

The gyroscope axis has two positions:
1. vertical for testing if the earth rotates and,
2. horizontal for execution while the platform rotates.


Do you have alzheimers? A normal gyroscope isn't good enough to detect earth's rotation.

So you claim you won't get shot when the platform starts rotating at 15 degrees per hour?  Cheesy

No I'm claiming that you should jump off a bridge to prove gravity is wrong Cheesy

Gravity has never been proven to be real thats why its called a theory.

Jump into the water u will float.

Helium baloons rise up mosquitoes fly up

If gravity was real and holding millions of tons of waterr on a ball in space mosquitoes cannot fly.

You will float because of buoyancy which is due to gravity.  The pressure difference between the bottom of the object and the top of the object creates the upward force.  The pressure at the bottom of the object is higher because the pressure at the bottom of the column of water at depth is proportional to the weight of that water which is the result of gravity.  The deeper you are in the water the more pressure is exerted, all because of gravity.

If you jump into the water and feel that you weigh less or you float, you just proved gravity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy

1596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: December 21, 2018, 11:19:00 PM
Natural measles is good, provided the people who get it are cared for well. What is proper care? Good resting time with good hygiene and nutrition. Why is measles good? It does a better job of vaccinating than vaccines do... without the deadly after effects. Properly cared for chicken pocks does the same.

Neither of these is deadly when proper care is used with them. And they don't produce the bad after effects of vaccines, yet do a job similar to the one expected from vaccines.


In this my friend despite being correct on other topics you are wrong. Measles infection does indeed grant better immunity to measles then the vaccine. However, if one had to choose between getting vaccinated or a certain exposure to measles the vaccination is by far the wiser course. Avoiding vaccination is only logical if your chance of exposure to measles is low.

The best situation would be if everyone had no immunity to measles at all because measles like smallpox was dead. That outcome is within our power to accomplish.

If I were to argue this from a spiritual perspective it would be as follows:

Measles is not good or evil in itself it is simply a part of nature a parasite that lives off of a host. However, allowing measles to continue to infect humans is evil because it saps our strength dragging us away from the spiritual the good and back into the muck of the the material world and mere survival. It usually weakens us and rarely kills us and the best that can come of such a battle is that we don't die.

Humanity has been given dominion over the earth and with that dominion comes the responsibility to address evils that interfere with our spiritual development. Thus it is ethical to kill diseases like smallpox and measles and we have a duty to do everything in our power to vanquish them. Neglecting that responsibility is to let evil exist unopposed and is wrong.

This does not mean everyone needs to be vaccinated, but if we choose not to it must be with the ultimate aim of eliminating the evil via some other means.



According to your Christian ideology, didn't God create measles in the first place?  Maybe you should check the Bible for cures?

Or ask BAdecker so that he can ask God why he "designed" measles.
1597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 21, 2018, 04:25:00 PM

An atheist is not a thinker he is a believer .

An agnostic is a thinker and is willing to admit he or she is not able to answer most questions.

God or no God.  I don’t know how I can answer it honestly.
 That is an agnostic.
No god is an atheist he places his belief on nothing.
Yes god is a reglious believer he places his belief on everything.

Me = agnostic

Was once a religious believer.

Are you sure that agnostics are thinkers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

They are just as dumb as the religious fruitcakes, IMHO.


The only thing that an atheist is trying to do is, set up himself or mankind up as God.

At least the agnostic is smart enough to understand that there is a God far above mankind.

Why would anybody dismiss the idea that there might be a God who is as far (or farther) above us as we are above the microbes? After all, the machine-like qualities of the universe, physics, and science laws show that God exists. Machines have makers.

Cool

A common mistake, I don't blame you, just like I don't blame notbatman who thinks the Earth is flat. 

That is ok, try to read more

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI100.html
1598  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: December 21, 2018, 02:06:14 PM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Cool

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

Cool

''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

Cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3EEqtcJME
1599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 21, 2018, 01:02:23 PM
well i am not an atheist, i am actually the maximum possible opposite of that.

The maximum possible opposite of atheist is a person who knows God exists 100%, zero doubt.

The maximum possible opposite of a person who 100% knows that God exists, is a non-existent person... or at least one who is dead.

An atheist might only be a person who is unaware of his knowledge of the existence of God. But the more he fights God by being a self-proclaimed atheist, the more he is a liar.

Cool

hahaha

But isn't this true ^^^?

I enjoy a thinker who is willing to admit that he doesn't have all the answers... just like me.

Cool

An atheist is not a thinker he is a believer .

An agnostic is a thinker and is willing to admit he or she is not able to answer most questions.

God or no God.  I don’t know how I can answer it honestly.
 That is an agnostic.
No god is an atheist he places his belief on nothing.
Yes god is a reglious believer he places his belief on everything.

Me = agnostic

Was once a religious believer.

Are you sure that agnostics are thinkers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

They are just as dumb as the religious fruitcakes, IMHO.
1600  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: December 20, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
Is my imaginary friend imaginary?
um... yes

If he is imaginary, how is it that he could give me such good answers that you can't rebut them?

Why the fuck would I want to rebut answers from your imaginary friend?
I don't argue with the tooth fairy or Santa Claus either, ftm.   


Too bad you like to live in your feeling of being in control. It's a good feeling, as long as hard times don't show up.

Cool

Did your imaginary friend tell you that too? I'm not in control of anything that really makes any difference,
except for maybe silly twats on these boards. Not that that's any big accomplishment or I really care one way or the other.
Nahhh, hard times haven't shown up yet, but maybe they will when your imaginary friend smites me for not bowing down to his almightyness,
but tbh, I'm not holding my breath....

You, because of your lack of loving God causes yourself to write things against God. God doesn't want you to keep on smiting yourself this way, but if you persist, He will let you smite yourself all the way to your big self-smite... Hell.

Cool

Back to threats of tortures in hell? Isn't it a bit too early?  First, you should have explained to him how he can be saved if he only listens to his imaginary friend etc.


Drowning man thrashing out against someone trying to save him.     Cool

You got this backward mate, I am the one who is trying to save you.

But I don't think you can be saved, you are far too gone into your religious la-la land.


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