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2441  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins are NOT btc. Enought!! on: March 17, 2016, 05:13:44 AM
For those who play Agar.io, "Why you not swim into my BIG, SLOW, CENTRALIZED blob? Little blobs and medium blobs will never get so BIG!! "
2442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 16, 2016, 06:44:07 AM
Dapps, can't work without breaking the objective census mechanism and thus destroying the Nash equilibrium security of the consensus

And validation will always end up centralized for any block chain (smart contracts or crypto currency) no matter which consensus design is chosen.

Ethereum will crash and burn eventually. For a while, they might be able to keep the market fooled with technobabble and centralized training wheels.

Who cares,

the contract will still get processed

the central controller has no incentive to steal anyone's money and scatter the billion dollar community that was just created

community size is worth more than tech, case in point: bitcoin

"decentralization" is overrated

distributed liability is all that really matters today. In other words, having the ability to move the physical geographic location of the central node to another country without service disruption in order to escape government control is all that matters. That my friends is what the average Joe considers "adequate decentralization"

Nobody gives a shit about John Nash.

So until there is a better non-vaporware alternative to Ethereum (when they eventually crash and burn), the hype continues unabated

You don't seem to understand the failure caused by vested interests (case in point: Bitcoin's scalepocalypse) which makes your $billion adoption market implausible, which was the reason we needed decentralization. Case in point: Apple Pay's inability to scale because it competes against other vested interests.

Market caps are not adoption valuation. They are greater fool illusions, especially when one can't even calculate a P/E ratio in the case of crypto trash. When five MAD men carrying box cutters and riding camels buy ETH from themselves to create the illusion of a $billion market cap, I know crypto has turned into a cess pool going no where.



The slow game (or so fast you lose your lunch money) game of "I'm making money; who cares if the tech is real or not?" is dangerous, not only for your bank account, but for those of us who want to look in the mirror and see that we are being as truthful as possible to ourselves in life. Lying to oneself by ignoring the flaws of a technology in an attempt for short term financial gains is the Russian roulette of bag-holding-- more luck than skill and more "you got what you deserve, dumbass"  than "I admire his courage."
2443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - which coins are scams as defined in the OP? on: March 16, 2016, 05:31:13 AM
Bottom line is that the block chain is applicable for recorded state transitions that can be proved to be correct from data internal to the block chain. It is not applicable to anything which requires subjectivity about data external to the state in the block chain.

So most everything people are proposing for Dapps, can't work without breaking the objective census mechanism and thus destroying the Nash equilibrium security of the consensus due to a Prisoner's dilemma over which is the consensus choice.

And validation will always end up centralized for any block chain (smart contracts or crypto currency) no matter which consensus design is chosen.

Ethereum will crash and burn eventually. For a while, they might be able to keep the market fooled with technobabble and centralized training wheels.

This even applies to the Internet of Things as you (or a hacker or the manufacturer) can program your things to lie, correct?

I was thinking on how to defend autonomous cars from hackers and thought a decentralized consensus network offered the best chance of secure/safe driving, but reading your posts, makes me think that it will either be a state system or off-ramped to a corporate system, but it can't be decentralized because the blockchain can only verify its chain in a decentralized manner--hope I'm reading this aspect correctly.
2444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins are a prisoner's dilemma and not possible to beat Bitcoin on: March 15, 2016, 02:18:45 AM

I'm sure the first company to ever issue stock said to investors, "But if we fail, no will ever buy a stock again!"

Adapt or die.  Wink

I knew a random Moneroer would show up eventually.  It's possible Monero or Zcash will occupy some type of niche market, but the anon wars of incrementalism would have to end first, and I'm not really seeing how that's going to happen.  You would need to subscribe to four ideas for Monero to really do something:

1)  Smooth's claim that currency is the killer app of the blockchain (likely plausible)
2)  Anonymity is a mandatory feature set of that app (less plausible)
3)  Governments would not make the anon currency extremely difficult to use while allowing BTC instead, crippling the anon currency market cap
4)  The need to believe on-chain anonymity would be useful in a clearing/settlement network.

If your key feature is not utilized in the likely evolution of the network, you're relegated back to the niche market.  That niche market could be worth billions of dollars though, so I guess it's all relative.  BTC on the other hand could go to trillions as a settlement layer.  There's just not an overwhelming need to make Bitcoin obsolete and switch when both coins operate roughly the same in the end game.  Ring signatures will likely block many further on-chain scaling options to boot.

Why is your argument that cryptocurrency can't survive without Bitcoin, "Monero is a niche coin."? (and that's paraphrasing for the rare literalist who will assume I'm making a direct quotation when reading the quoted material above would lead most sophisticated readers to realize that it was paraphrasing).

When I got into cryptocurrency, there was a belief that Bitcoin was anonymous enough and Bitcoin held mid-90% of total cryptocurrency market cap--I'm not saying the two are related BTW, just issuing two facts of the time. Today Bitcoin accounts for low-70% of total cryptocurrency market cap and the Evolution/BTC-e fiasco showed that Bitcoin was not anonymous enough (at least not enough to avoid taint).

My point about stocks is that no one company is big enough to rule the stock market anymore than any one cryptocurrency is big enough to rule cryptocurrency. Bitcoin has some stupendous flaws, and if unproven Eth can get to 1 billion, an actual fungible currency can get to 1 billion.

I'm not against Bitcoin, but listening to Bitcoin supremacist angle and rail against altcoins as if Bitcoin was sacrosanct and untouchable, is to say the least, a bit much. Especially considering that Bitcoin may prove the niche coin (a kind of digital gold perhaps) and the discovery period of cryptocurrency may end with a coin (or maybe more) with substantial marketcaps larger than the coin that was first, but not so adaptable, and certainly not the limitless in its potential.

My guess is that while Eth, XMR, and other coins get auditioned by the market, we will see an even greater shift in the marketcap than the one that took place over the last year. Would it be that surprising if Bitcoin's market cap was in the ten of billions five years from now, but held less than 20% of the overall market cap? Maybe, but I would have never though it would be below 80% a year ago.
2445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins are a prisoner's dilemma and not possible to beat Bitcoin on: March 15, 2016, 01:06:53 AM
I'm sure the first company to ever issue stock said to investors, "But if we fail, no one will ever buy a stock again!"

Adapt or die.  Wink
2446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [I don't know what ether is/ how its supposed to work but i know its the future] on: March 14, 2016, 05:51:49 PM
Any suggestions on what book to read?  As far as eth goes, I don't own any and don't have a strong opinion on it either way.   I am an interested observer though.

I suggest Don Quixote. The only difference from the story and BTC is that everyone in the story knows the hero is living in a fantasy.
2447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: March 11, 2016, 05:45:07 PM
Forgot to write the second # here, the link that I followed to nowhere has two...

Not sure what the problem is, but what's your nickname on IRC? I can invite you and that should work.
2448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is ANY coin even Attempting Mass Adoption, Seriously!!!! on: March 11, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
I have you on ignore sputz, but I'm guessing you said something akin to all coins are scams and will fail (or whatever). Why don't you make one BIG post stating why you think all the coins will fail, go get something to eat, a job, a hobby, a GF, inner peace, basically a life, and if you are right, you can come back in a couple years and rub our faces in it. You'll be better for it and still get to be right without wasting what little life you've been granted. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the one sided conversation I get to have with you since I put you on ignore. More people should try it--it's easy, just guess what sputz is spouting off about and reply without any sense of needing to defend against his troll-tactics.  Wink
2449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is ANY coin even Attempting Mass Adoption, Seriously!!!! on: March 11, 2016, 03:46:22 PM
http://www.ted.com/talks/seth_godin_on_sliced_bread

Pay attention to what he says about otaku, without a group like that, it's tough to imagine any coin succeeding no matter how much money they pump into advertising and hype.
2450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: AmericanPegasus initiates coverage on Sia. (Siacoin speculation topic) on: March 11, 2016, 11:28:06 AM
Regardless of technical flaws, whether legitimate or not, the truth is that most investors on Poloniex won't bother to investigate these technicalities deeply enough to make a proper judgement on the long-term future of the success of the project. In fact, the great majority couldn't even truly understand the technology if they tried.

That doesn't matter at all if you're just a speculator trying to gain some Bitcoin here. Sia will gain value because people are greedy and they will follow the momentum. It's also very young with plenty of room to grow. Right now Sia is building momentum and owning some seems like a good idea.

That's all well and good if you are a speculator, but if you are an investor (or god forbid, a user), you want to know if the technology works (or can work) as claimed. Speculators (eventually) follow the investors, who eventually follow the users--most people are trying to stake their claims before the followers arrive, so open and honest discussion about the technology's chances for success is more than a little helpful.
2451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which crypto do you feel is the biggest "scam"? - - REVISED 4 ACCURACY - on: March 10, 2016, 01:09:19 PM
Whenever you guys are done hand waving and attacking me, this will be here waiting. TaoOfSatoshi at least tried  Roll Eyes


This is my criticism (still waiting for someone from dash to explain this away).

Dash has some pretty horrendous flaws: namely X11 and Darksend.

X11: If one chain can be attacked then the whole thing is vulnerable--you essentially load a bunch of people on a bus and hope one doesn't have a virus. I've pointed this out to Evan, as have others, but he has yet to address it. He has stated incorrectly that you just roll the chain back and get rid of the broken one--this is patently false as the broken chain can exist for some time and go unnoticed and do so much damage in that time that no roll-back can save the coin--he's essentially saying, "We can just kick the sick person off the bus and that gets rid of the contagion," meanwhile everyone on the bus is already infected.

Darksend, besides its twenty hour mix times, is flawed because of centralization and the fact that TPTB can subpoena control (or use other methods such as coercion) to gain enough nodes to break anonymity. I would suggest that Evan owns enough to break most anonymity and a fincen investigation hanging over his head would be enough to coerce him into helping the US government break dash's weak anonymity--that is if dash ever gained enough market to garner governmental interest (and that's a huge if). Cryptosystems are meant to be anti-fragile, especially against governmental pressures, and this is why well-built cryptosystems avoid centralized solutions.

These two flaws lead me to believe Evan has a very weak understanding of cryptosystems (I have just a casual interest and I understand these things, so for a developer to not know them is pretty unforgivable).


Criticisms are either true, false, or opinions. It doesn't matter in what frame of mind they were made if they are correct. It is the liar, the fraud, the charlatan who wants to sidestep truth with accusations of motive when motive cannot determine if an argument is true or false, but only the attitude in which it was delivered. Scientist can hate, criticize and ridicule one another, but when day is done, only the facts are given weight. But then again, I'm just a hater, so nothing I say can have any weight or truth.  Tongue

2452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which crypto do you feel is the biggest "scam"? - - REVISED 4 ACCURACY - on: March 10, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
i wonder if this accusation is true...


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1272304.220

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THEN !
They tried the angle that he was not even a part of the "team"
Well a pile of people have told me HE IS !
Further more..
David Latapie just so happens to be the treasurer of the Monero donation funds.
Where i pointed out how Risto had been sending coins to for almost 2 years.
Which they denied.
Yet on the previous page it's PROVEN 100%

THEN !
We see Risto also has been said to have no part of the Monero Team etc too !
Even though whew Monero launched he had bought around 882 BTC worth back when BTC was worth around $600 roughly
Then the link someone posted on the previous page about MEW etc
Shows Risto on their (self-modded) topic admitting to spending the donation money while crying TROLL/FUD
because 1 person asked if he had gotten permission and where the rest of the donated money is now.
Since i had said Latapie was in hiding for months they too also denied that..
Which Latapie admitted to on that link AND in the quote i posted in this topic.
So..
Risto admitted he spent the donation money with out any vote or anyone's permission
even though he was NOT a part of Monero !
Make any sense at all ?


Oh yeah it gets worse LOL
Risto spent the money which was ear marked for public adoption / marketing endeavors..
On get this !
On a Forum game topic here at Bitcointalk. ROFL
Where yes again for two years they have denied making ANY effort ever on Advertising here.
Such as denying their 2 year old spam topic with 700 pages 24/7 bumped to page one.
On that link i mentioned Risto the NOT team member admitted he spent the money on his
Retro City Altcoin section Forum game topic as a method of public adoption..
He called in in respect to public adoption efforts an "asset"

THEN get this !
I had seen him tell me on Poloniex about his previous forum game topic where he admitted to making 1,000 of dollars !
So.. how much has he made on his newer one that i had reported as spam when he started it ?




Newbie, OP, you know nothing what so ever about altcoins.. now STFU thanks

 Cheesy LOL, cheers to you my friend, Mr. Spoetnik, I freely admit that my knowledge of crypto tech is sparse, hence this poll for info.
 
Abraham Lincoln surrounded himself with advisors who were not only smarter than him, but they did not always agree with him either.  Like honest Abe, I do not want a cabinet of yes men.  I prefer to immerse myself in the progressive state of the art genius that is available to me at my fingertips.  We’ll never make America great again if we refuse to learn new technologies.  I am walking the talk.

I welcome the tough love, and don’t expect to be treated as a celebrity but as any old noob who is fresh off the boat stumbling into the wrong bar after hours.  I’m thick skinned and a proven winner who will bounce back leaner and smarter than before.  I appreciate your help here, so please bear with me while I hone the prospectus for my “2016 Crypto Equity Index Freedom Fund”

I have divided my selections into 2 distinct categories:
1.   Governance Models
2.   Niche Businesses

So far, we have only identified 4 major categories of crypto company/community governance models:

1.   - In a Hashocracy like bicoin, only the miners choose which future developments get implemented (which hard forks to take), and anyone is free to compete in the coin mining process.  The original Bitcoin Foundation members did not like fact that they lost their ability to control the miners, so they left to form Decred which is a:

2.   - hybrid Hashocracy/Meritocracy which allows anyone to compete in the coin mining, but only coin holders get to vote on development directions (which hard fork to take).  DASH is now a hybrid Hashocracy/Meritocracy like Decred, but started out as a Dictatorship when Evan misrepresented the total number of shares without indemnifying the shareholders.  Since the SEC has no jurisdiction over a crypto company, there can be no legal recourse for suffering through injustices experienced as a shareholder of a company ruled as a:

3.   - Dictatorship is where a central man or entity tells the miners what to do.  I pledge to avoid any investments in companies who are or have ever been ran as a Dictatorship due to the lack of legal shareholder recourse described in #3 above.

4.   - In a pure Meritocracy like BitShares, shareholders determine which hard forks to take and who is allowed to mine new coins (1 BTS = 1 Vote).  This type of community resembles that of a traditional company with multiple owners.

Because I obviously need to be politically correct here, I formally apologize to Amanda for criticizing her explanation of the DASH governmental structure as anything but its former dictatorship because it’s obvious now that Masternode owners are in control of the DASH network, even though that was not always the case.  I simply choose not to associate with former dictators, and I don’t want to lose the female vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGlcLFhwE0#t=2m8s
(I stand corrected Ms. Johnson)

In our second category for crypto investment, I'm searching for the best of breed (large cap) crypto companies in each niche market.  

I only came up with 8 niche crypto business sectors.  Please let me know if I am overlooking any sectors.  Again, I want only the largest cap company in that sector, but not if it has ever been ran a Dictatorship:

1.   the largest (biggest market cap) data storage company is Maidsafe
2.   the largest records database company is Factom
3.   the largest social networking company is Synereo
4.   the largest music monetization company is MUSE
5.   the largest public Turing complete computer is Ethereum
6.   the largest anonymity solution (omitting DASH) is BitShares
7.   the largest file swapping service company is Florincoin (The Alexandria Project)
8.   the largest domain name company is Namecoin

So to summarize:

Are there any crypto business types or governance structures that I have not considered?

Thanks in advance, and there was one question, I have yet to field:

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Question:    Which top 10 crypto do you feel is most likely to change its political policies in a way that affects a majority of its community members negatively.

Define "community members."  What constitutes a negative effect? Are "political policies" taken from the official mission statements of the coins' documents, or simply one's subjective impressions of what the leadership's undisclosed vision for the coin might be?

The original "biggest scam" question is more appropriate, given the rephrase is equally subjective and even more vague, IMO.

Community members = coin holders or shareholders

Negative affects = decisions made outside shareholder control that have the potential to lower the share price.  

Evan stealing coins is such a negative effect even though he did not sell them on the open market, he could at any time.

Political Policies are direct statements taken from whitepapers, bitcointalk announcement threads, or any written dev post.

A scam is a lie that can only be proven by objective fact (no different than in a court of law).

Your feedback and criticism is greatly appreciated.  Thank you again my friends.

Instead of wondering you should fact check and see that sputz used his mastery of misreading to turn David's getting ripped off into an accusation of being in league with the guy who ripped him off--then went full beautiful mind and started connecting random excerpts in a haphazard conspiracy theory using, "I don't know, but..." logic. As usual dashtards + sptz = FUD and distraction.

Notice how not one of them has countered my technical criticism of dash? Though sputz might have as I have him on ignore, but that would require a huge leap of effort on his part as he tends to just shout and wave his hands and will never in engage in a technical discussion.
2453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which crypto do you feel is the biggest "scam"? - - REVISED 4 ACCURACY - on: March 10, 2016, 03:50:04 AM
Yet I never seen a developer like Evan and he's beautiful work; if any of these developers created one of he's creations like instant transactions or governence thingie or even that 2nd tier those haters would be all over it saying how awesome is their low skilled can't even make a GUI wallet working developer is. Keep dreaming of Dash going down it won't and stop hating on ETH because it's doing so well man these haters can't be happy with a 10% of a gambling site while doing nothing but spreading hate on forums and shut up  Huh insetad creating those useless Polls with threads like "What do you think of DASH BLA BLA BLA"  Haters gonna hate.

If they hating on Evan and Dash then man it is doing an awesome job at pissing them off.
The jealousy is strong with these ones...

To anyone who believes the false narrative that Dash's governance is a dictatorship, let me tell you a story.

Evan submitted a proposal to hire Transform PR to represent us. It was approved, and after a month some community members started having second thoughts. There was a big discussion on DashTalk, resulting in the Transform PR Initiative being struck down, and Evan himself as the Dash representative had to embarrassingly cancel the contract he had signed.

Does that sound like a dictatorship to you? Amanda Johnson has Dash figured out just fine, my disillusioned friends.

This is my criticism (still waiting for someone from dash to explain this away).

Dash has some pretty horrendous flaws: namely X11 and Darksend.

X11: If one chain can be attacked then the whole thing is vulnerable--you essentially load a bunch of people on a bus and hope one doesn't have a virus. I've pointed this out to Evan, as have others, but he has yet to address it. He has stated incorrectly that you just roll the chain back and get rid of the broken one--this is patently false as the broken chain can exist for some time and go unnoticed and do so much damage in that time that no roll-back can save the coin--he's essentially saying, "We can just kick the sick person off the bus and that gets rid of the contagion," meanwhile everyone on the bus is already infected.

Darksend, besides its twenty hour mix times, is flawed because of centralization and the fact that TPTB can subpoena control (or use other methods such as coercion) to gain enough nodes to break anonymity. I would suggest that Evan owns enough to break most anonymity and a fincen investigation hanging over his head would be enough to coerce him into helping the US government break dash's weak anonymity--that is if dash ever gained enough market to garner governmental interest (and that's a huge if). Cryptosystems are meant to be anti-fragile, especially against governmental pressures, and this is why well-built cryptosystems avoid centralized solutions.

These two flaws lead me to believe Evan has a very weak understanding of cryptosystems (I have just a casual interest and I understand these things, so for a developer to not know them is pretty unforgivable).


Criticisms are either true, false, or opinions. It doesn't matter in what frame of mind they were made if they are correct. It is the liar, the fraud, the charlatan who wants to sidestep truth with accusations of motive when motive cannot determine if an argument is true or false, but only the attitude in which it was delivered. Scientist can hate, criticize and ridicule one another, but when day is done, only the facts are given weight. But then again, I'm just a hater, so nothing I say can have any weight or truth.  Tongue

Both of these issues are currently under review. The Dash software is currently in beta, no one is saying that it is a finished product. When Dash V1.0 is released, you can be sure that PrivacyProtect will be vetted and ready for prime time.

In regards to Masternodes, the scenario you describe is highly unlikely, as a far greater amount of Masternodes than would be needed to control anonymity reside outside of US control. We would simply move them to jurisdictions that are friendly to crypto.

The bolded is as ignorant as Evan's statement on fixing x11 by rolling it back.

Those masternodes are on host servers of a few companies, not on individual computers all over the world, so gaining control of them isn't a big deal especially if one person owns a majority of them and has granted access through coercion or a subpoena--but way to dumb down your response to muddy the water. Again, it's not where the servers are located that matters, it's who controls them. And Evan and Otoh control a lot of them and the companies used for hosting are few--the fact that the hosting companies servers are located all over the world may look nice on a map, but it doesn't diminish my point as to their being controlled by a few who can be coerced, by law or force.

Also, nice hand waving about beta and we'll fix these issues in the future. Show me a whitepaper that can be peer-reviewed so I can see for myself that it isn't just more hype and promises.
2454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which crypto do you feel is the biggest "scam"? - - REVISED 4 ACCURACY - on: March 09, 2016, 10:22:39 PM
Yet I never seen a developer like Evan and he's beautiful work; if any of these developers created one of he's creations like instant transactions or governence thingie or even that 2nd tier those haters would be all over it saying how awesome is their low skilled can't even make a GUI wallet working developer is. Keep dreaming of Dash going down it won't and stop hating on ETH because it's doing so well man these haters can't be happy with a 10% of a gambling site while doing nothing but spreading hate on forums and shut up  Huh insetad creating those useless Polls with threads like "What do you think of DASH BLA BLA BLA"  Haters gonna hate.

If they hating on Evan and Dash then man it is doing an awesome job at pissing them off.
The jealousy is strong with these ones...

To anyone who believes the false narrative that Dash's governance is a dictatorship, let me tell you a story.

Evan submitted a proposal to hire Transform PR to represent us. It was approved, and after a month some community members started having second thoughts. There was a big discussion on DashTalk, resulting in the Transform PR Initiative being struck down, and Evan himself as the Dash representative had to embarrassingly cancel the contract he had signed.

Does that sound like a dictatorship to you? Amanda Johnson has Dash figured out just fine, my disillusioned friends.

This is my criticism (still waiting for someone from dash to explain this away).

Dash has some pretty horrendous flaws: namely X11 and Darksend.

X11: If one chain can be attacked then the whole thing is vulnerable--you essentially load a bunch of people on a bus and hope one doesn't have a virus. I've pointed this out to Evan, as have others, but he has yet to address it. He has stated incorrectly that you just roll the chain back and get rid of the broken one--this is patently false as the broken chain can exist for some time and go unnoticed and do so much damage in that time that no roll-back can save the coin--he's essentially saying, "We can just kick the sick person off the bus and that gets rid of the contagion," meanwhile everyone on the bus is already infected.

Darksend, besides its twenty hour mix times, is flawed because of centralization and the fact that TPTB can subpoena control (or use other methods such as coercion) to gain enough nodes to break anonymity. I would suggest that Evan owns enough to break most anonymity and a fincen investigation hanging over his head would be enough to coerce him into helping the US government break dash's weak anonymity--that is if dash ever gained enough market to garner governmental interest (and that's a huge if). Cryptosystems are meant to be anti-fragile, especially against governmental pressures, and this is why well-built cryptosystems avoid centralized solutions.

These two flaws lead me to believe Evan has a very weak understanding of cryptosystems (I have just a casual interest and I understand these things, so for a developer to not know them is pretty unforgivable).


Criticisms are either true, false, or opinions. It doesn't matter in what frame of mind they were made if they are correct. It is the liar, the fraud, the charlatan who wants to sidestep truth with accusations of motive when motive cannot determine if an argument is true or false, but only the attitude in which it was delivered. Scientist can hate, criticize and ridicule one another, but when day is done, only the facts are given weight. But then again, I'm just a hater, so nothing I say can have any weight or truth.  Tongue
2455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 09, 2016, 07:44:51 PM
I was listening to a TEDtalks on spreading ideas and the presenter mentioned two things that reminded me of the recent GUI discussion: Otaku and remarkable. I believe Monero's core community is Otaku in regards with privacy and the GUI is the remarkable that can get people to pull off the road and look at the purple cow (min 6:30).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBIVlM435Zg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku (min 10:30)
2456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which crypto gets the most "SCAM!" accusations? - BE HONEST PLEASE on: March 09, 2016, 05:52:29 PM
If you are really looking to find a scam, the elephant in the room is Dash.

The dev premined boatloads due to a 'mistake' and he didnt fix it because the community was cool with it Lips sealed

That seems totally legit.

I like how the Dash [ANN] thread's cult enforcers are so quick to attack anyone who fails to cheer loudly enough for their insta-mined, completely centralized scam coin and associated Masternode HYIP.

The way the DashHoles report and remove on-topic posts that aren't sufficiently positive really makes me believe they are a mature, stable community with nothing to hide.

My favorite is when you bring up the instamine, "...But look at the innovation!!!"

You mean innovations like X11, which is flawed and Evan has yet to answer how he intends to fix it. Or innovations like darksend (admittedly second rate anonymity by Evan himself) with its 20+ hour mix times.

And don't forget instantx, which TPTB_need_war demolished so badly that Evan has yet to untuck his tail between his legs and comment on.

Hey dashtards, adding a dark to something doesn't make it anonymous anymore than adding x to something makes it innovative.
2457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which crypto gets the most "SCAM!" accusations? - BE HONEST PLEASE on: March 08, 2016, 09:44:34 PM
Now, if we were voting on biggest scam, the poll would be correct with dash in the lead.

Biggest would be Ethereum. Dash is a minnow compared to the ETH.

It is hilarious that Monero supporters hate Dash so much, they waste their vote on Dash and allow Ethereum to be less scammy than Monero in the poll. Emotions run hotter than strategic logic.

Eth's probably more cult of personality+misplaced expectations than a scam. I'm sure Custard thought he could beat a few Lakota and Cheyenne.
2458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which crypto gets the most "SCAM!" accusations? - BE HONEST PLEASE on: March 08, 2016, 09:34:15 PM
Given its long history and the amount and distinction of the people that have labeled it a scam, Bitcoin should be running away with any poll of which crypto gets the most scam accusations.  

Now, if we were voting on biggest scam, the poll would be correct with dash in the lead. Though maybe it's a poll of our altcoin myopia?
2459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Ethereum heading to centralization? on: March 08, 2016, 06:41:50 AM
Everything sucks

So you can't disprove the facts I claim. So you admit I am correct.

except our own creations!

After making incorrect assumptions about the facts of the other coins, now you want to make assumptions about my motives. Don't you think you've done enough ASS-U-MING. How about learning to study facts.

My motivation is to shame you into studying technology if you want to invest in technology. If you just want to steal from greater fools, then we will understand that your post is just more P&D obfuscation tactics.

Btw, when I talk about my own designs, I am careful to point out potential flaws and caveats. Also you will find that any white papers from me will attempt to have a section that explains positives and negatives to laymen (minimizing/explaining the technobabble). Hypesters don't.

Your motives....yes, please tell us about your motives!

Are you blind.

I don't get the motives argument. If the person is correct, then they are correct. A pumper's motives will no more prove a technology is first rate than a critic's motives will prove that a technology is second rate. Look at the facts of the argumentation, see if holds water, and move on. I'd be more scared if it was just praise for a technology and no one had the motivation to test and see if the tech is as good as advertised.
2460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [AEON] Aeon Speculation on: March 06, 2016, 01:15:58 PM
I know it's not much at the moment, but I would be willing to donate 5000 to 10000 Aeon to whoever would make such a thing... assuming it passed the muster of the Aeon community.

Yeah I can throw in a few æ into the mix.

A bootstrapped template for a website just isn't going to cut it - it needs to be properly designed from scratch (imho).

I'll work on some PSD mockups of a few site designs and post them here later in the week. Perhaps with some PSD designs on display we as a community can analyse and introspect accordingly (as we did with the logos).... and then once we've gotten to an area we like... then it should be a fairly simple process for a web coder to take the PSDs and construct accordingly.

This way we can guarantee that everyone has a say in how the site looks and the various elements that should be included. Plus... working from PSD mockups ensures that we start by considering the user experience first and thus work backwards to the technology.... just as I have been doing recently with some mockups for an Aeon mobile wallet:-






I like the designs here. When designing are you trying to make them as symbolic as possible, making it easier to use by mitigating language barriers and having the added benefit of decreasing translation costs?
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