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2561  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Polish Hyde Park - altcoiny & tokeny on: December 24, 2020, 12:56:48 PM
@tytanowy janusz, Eth tez zaczynało jako ICO..

W sumie wczoraj z większych coinow to chyba tylko ZIL byl na plus..

W tym ukladzie w sumie to co? Tylko LTC i BCH byloby bezpieczne?
Kurcze , ze musialo sie tak zes** akurat  na swieta
Ale tak jest jak człowiek nie mysli..

Jesli to FUD to ktore coiny uwazacie, ze warto zastanowic sie nad zakupem?

BNB Smiley


I feel bad for ripple,

I'm reading a lot about this case right now. Its not as bad as i thought (to other alts) but its bad AS for ripple. This is part of sue:




link

I thought that this sue is because of collecting funds form ICO 8 years ago. Its not, its because they are constantly emitting coins, dumping on investors, misleading investors, use insider knowledge to manipulate etc.etc. They were warned by SEC and after that they decided to take a risk. Its completely different story compared to BNB (mentioned by me before) that collected only 15 mln $ from ICO and are now doing buyback. Ripple is constantly dumping shit load of XRP - already collected 1.8 billion $.

2562  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 🔴 BTC Core update Schnorr, Taproot and Tapscript 🤔 on: December 24, 2020, 12:27:52 PM

So just with these 5 pools AntPool, F2Pool, Poolin, Slush Pool and BTC.com and Luxor Core are going to make a 51 attack of the network to force BTC to become "updated"!? So finally the real BTC decentralisation is just between these 5 extractive actors?!

Pool is not equal to separate miner. Its not "5 extractive actors". Its 10 000 nodes that work for pools and each one can decide by himself if he want to join "force BTC to become "updated"" or not. Every second a miner can switch from one pool (toxic in his opinion) to other pool(legit). Even though 5 pools own 54% its far from forcing bitcoin to do anything and after first try a pool will lose its reputation and customers (aka miners)
2563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Coinbase is going to delisting xrp? on: December 24, 2020, 12:02:17 PM
I feel bad for ripple,

I'm reading a lot about this case right now. Its not as bad as i thought (to other alts) but its bad AS for ripple. This is part of sue:




link

I thought that this sue is because of collecting funds form ICO 8 years ago. Its not, its because they are constantly emitting coins, dumping on investors, misleading investors, use insider knowledge to manipulate etc.etc. They were warned by SEC and after that they decided to take a risk. Its completely different story compared to BNB (mentioned by me before) that collected only 15 mln $ from ICO and are now doing buyback. Ripple is constantly dumping shit load of XRP - already collected 1.8 billion $.



2564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best undervalue projects with not so big cap on: December 24, 2020, 10:47:41 AM
How you define undervaluation? How to calculate value of start-up, value of someone idea of product that does not even exist and my fail by various things?

In terms of real undervaluation - P/E lower than average for SP500 or nasdaq i would go with BNB. Its not small cap but its trully undervalued based on indicators that real invetors use.

P/E around 3 right now with volume build by great bitcoin rally - average for nasdaq ~24. Based on this indicator BNB is 8 times undervalued. Average dividend for nasdaq is 1.74% while passive income from holding BNB may reach 60% while remaining a deflationary coin (ROI does not comes from printing like all stackable coins). Based on this indicator BNB is undervalued 30 times.
more calculations (most of them are out of date, current data is even better)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208144.msg53299809#msg53299809

In terms of being undervalued compared to other shitcoins with similar (vely low) MC i would go with IDENA. First proof of person blockchain, only 2.7 mln $ MC. Close to 5000 nodes. No KYC. 1 node 1 person 1 vote. Everyone can mine with old laptop (5$ vps) with equal voting power as others. All you need to do to become a miners is solving touring test that proves that you are not a bot (all network solve this test in the same time). The only problem with this project is that they are now struggling with human farms problem (someone is hiring 700 people to solve 700 tests just to be able mine this coin faster). He is a reason for massive price drop (before this case it was 1 node 1 person 1 vote innovative coin, now someone is owning 700 nodes thanks to slavery work). DYOR about IDENA and about this case. Team is trying to address that. Time will show how it will go but considering how promising this project is (was) solving this farm issue may affect to go back to "before problem price" (300sat to 550 sat) and even higher (oracle just released). But note that this is very high risk/high reward coin (just like most low caps)
2565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Coinbase is going to delisting xrp? on: December 24, 2020, 09:40:00 AM
I'm really concerned about this ripple case. Not because i care about ripple (never ever had even a 1$ invested, maybe daytraded it once or twice) but isn't it the first attack, which will then expand on all tokens behind which companies are standing and which have acquired capital in the form of ICO (f.e BNB, KCS, HB) or even all ICOs (including etherum)?

I know that there is no way to sue majority of ICO projects but it is possible to force exchanges registered in US to delist them. Can you imagine coinbase, bittrex without 99% of coins?

2566  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Massadoption - Is it ready? on: December 24, 2020, 09:33:42 AM
Bitcoin as a whole world currency was 2017 bubble paradigm. Its 2020. Now we all know that its not gonna happend. Most likely not in next 10-50 years. For sure not now..

Most issues that you bring here will be solved in naxt 10-50 years (easy to use apps, easy to use priv-keys) so after this time bitcoin will be ready for mass adoption but ... majority does not give a f. about bitcoin. Not because they don't understand bitcoin ... its because they don't understand Fiats. All they know is that they have to earn it and spend it. 9 out of 10 people asked on street what inflation is won't be able to answer this question. I saw one such street poll in which a woman replied "I'm not interested in something that does not affect me".
2567  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Polish Hyde Park - altcoiny & tokeny on: December 24, 2020, 01:13:09 AM
tak, myslalem o wycenie w dolarach,
oczywiscie nie mysle, ze kazdy projekt osiagnie 100% ath  z 2017/2018 roku, ale takie x3 - x4 od obecnych poziomow w wypadku wielu z nich, chyba nie jest takie calkiem nierealne?
Tymczasem znowu mam rzeznie na wszystkim chyba prawie.. a tylko bitcoin jeszcze sie trzyma - czy to zapoowiada, ze BTC rowniez poleci?

Podobno przypisywane to jest atakowi SEC na XRP (a co może się rozejść wiele/wszystkie alty??)

https://www.pb.pl/sec-dobija-wycene-kryptowaluty-xrp-1104023
"Notowania wirtualnej waluty XRP kontynuują w środę przecenę po tym jak amerykańska Komisja Papierów Wartościowych i Giełd złożyła pozew przeciw Ripple, firmie blockchainowej stojącej za kryptowalutą. Zarzuca jej przeprowadzenie oferty sprzedaży niezarejestrowanych papierów wartościowych o wartości 1,3 mld USD."

Czyli mam rozumieć dotyczy to wszystkiego, co zaczynało jako ICO? To się nazywa patologia ...zaśpij ... nie reguluj ...ignoruj ... a potem obudź się po 8latach z pozwem. Teraz czekam na swój pozew, że tradowałem nielegalnie wyemitowanym produktem inwestycyjnym...

Ale powiem wam, że z tym ICO coś śmierdziało od jakiegoś czasu. Widziałem dyskusje, jak właściciel giełdy poproszony o listowanie jakiegoś tokenu odpowiedział, że nie może, bo token zaczynał jako ICO, a oni, jako zarejestrowani w USA moga listowac tylko takie coiny, które nie zbierały środków w ten sposób.

edit: Podobno pomniejsze giełdy juz zaczynają delistowac XRP. Skoro to nielegalnie wydany papier wartościowy to udostępnianie obrotu nim równiez wydaje sie nielegalne. Problem w tym, że 99% altów pozyskały środki w formie ICO. W tym etherum. Czyli teraz jak giełda chce funkcjonowac dla Amerykanów to nie możlie listować 99% altów?

edit2: a może to tylko zamierzone wywołaniu FUDU? Odpowiedź ripple:

https://ripple.com/insights/the-secs-attack-on-crypto-in-the-united-states/
“The SEC is completely wrong on the facts and law and we are confident we will ultimately prevail before a neutral fact-finder. XRP, the third largest virtual currency with billions of dollars in trading every day, is a currency like the SEC has deemed Bitcoin and Ether, and is not an investment contract. This case bears no resemblance to the initial coin offering cases the SEC has previously brought and stretches the Howey standard beyond recognition.” Andrew Ceresney, Debevoise & Plimpton
“This complaint is wrong as a matter of law. Other major branches of the U.S. government, including the Justice Department and the Treasury Department’s FinCen, have already determined that XRP is a currency. Transactions in XRP thus fall outside the scope of the federal securities laws. This is not the first time the SEC has tried to go beyond its statutory authority. The courts have corrected it before and will do so again.” Michael Kellogg, Kellogg, Hansen, Todd, Figel & Frederick

"We’ve always said that there is a lack of regulatory clarity for crypto in the US, and the SEC here in the United States has sat back and watched for years. In fact, the discussion around why XRP is a currency (and not a security) is one we have been having with the SEC for nearly three years and yet we’ve never been met with clarity. We have, however explained that XRP is not a security because, among other things:

XRP is not an “investment contract.” XRP holders do not share in the profits of Ripple or receive dividends, nor do they have voting rights or other corporate rights. Purchasers receive nothing from their purchase of XRP except the asset. In fact the vast majority of XRP holders have no connection or relationship with Ripple whatsoever.  
Ripple (our company) has shareholders; if you want to invest in Ripple, you do not buy XRP but rather shares in Ripple.
Unlike securities, the market value of XRP has not been correlated with Ripple’s activities. Instead, the price of XRP is correlated to the movement of other virtual currencies."

"Unfortunately, in this lame duck status as Chairman Jay Clayton exits, he has decided to make very serious allegations, which suggest that Ripple, Chris Larsen and I have violated the Securities Act. I expect the SEC will share that filing publicly in the next couple of days, so I wanted to give you all a heads up. You should also know and expect that the SEC will likely do everything they can to paint Ripple, Chris and me in the worst possible light – quotes could be taken out of context, personal details may be shared, etc.  "

Wygląda to, że takiego ETH to nie dotyczy, ale co do XRP SEC również zmienił narrację... Coś mi się wydaje że moja inwestycja w BNB jednak nie jest aż tak dobra Smiley.
https://fortune.com/2020/12/21/ripple-to-be-sued-by-sec-cryptocurrency-xrp/
In recent years, the SEC has ruled that the two most valuable cryptocurrencies—Bitcoin and Ethereum—are not securities, partly on the grounds they are decentralized with no person or company in control of them.

Coś mi się wydaje że moja inwestycja w BNB może okazać się nie aż tak dobra. Chociaż w sumie ... że XRP zebrał 1.3 miliarda a binance zaledwie 15 mln$. Jaka może być kara za zebranie 15 mln $? 50 mln $? Chyba sie binance nie obrazi:). Ale w przypadku ewentualnego pozwu w stosunku do BNB to spanikowani inwestorzy pewnie polecą z czerwonym dildo głęboko na południe.
2568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Binance Trading Page Problem, Error on: December 23, 2020, 07:06:09 PM
I have no issues now.
Try one of those:
- shift+f5
- change browser
- turn PC OFF and ON
- contact support

If you need to access you account ASAP download their PC or mobile APP


2569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Idena is the first Proof-of-Person Blockchain on: December 23, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
I am waiting for this update, I hope Andrew doesn't delay it, I hope it will be announced soon to run HF soon and update nodes today  Wink

ETA for oracle release was announced at Dec 16 and it was set for today - "We are planning to release a new version of the Idena node on December 23, 2020. It will be a seamless hard fork update." not much time left to be on time. Silence ever since
2570  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Polish Hyde Park - altcoiny & tokeny on: December 23, 2020, 06:22:28 PM
Hmm w poszukiwaniu optymizmu - a czy taka opcja jak "nowy, tanszy, bitcoin" moze zadzialac?
Skoro w przeszłości ulica wystarczyła do spompowania przykladowo takiego  dasha do 1500usd to dlaczego teraz mialoby to nie  zadzialac? Szczególnie, ze wykreowanego pieniądza jest w obiegu o wiele wiecej niz 3lata temu

Nawet jeśli część kapitału zacznie szukać czegoś na rynku poza bitcoinem to:
1- zrobi to mały % inwestorów a ci zostaną prawdopodobnie omamieni przez pozi scamy i ponzi podobne projekty i szybko pozbędą się kasy.
2- taki dash może i był czymś w 2017 ale teraz ... po co komu dash? Ktoś to używa? Od 2017 forków dashy to powstało setki. Jak w 2017 było 1000-2000 projektów na CMC tak teraz jest 8000. Więc kapitał się rozwodni.

Jeśli myślisz o wycenie w $ to prawdopodobnie niektóre projekty w wyniku pump and dump osiągnie nowe szczyty, ale w wycenie ALT/BTC będzie to 1 na 100.
2571  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Polish Hyde Park - altcoiny & tokeny on: December 23, 2020, 01:15:30 PM
Tymczasem wyglada na to ze znowu mamy rzez na altach , a ja sie pytam kiedy będziemy mieli w koncu alt season z prawdziwego zdarzenia?!

Możliwe, że nigdy. Już to kiedyś tutaj pisałem. Każda bańka jest inna.

Bańka 2017:

Media wrzały, że bitcoin będzie nową globalną walutą, że wyprze fiaty. Że bitcoin lada dzień zacznie być akceptowany na ebay, amazonie itp. Ten paradygmat wywiózł bitcoina na nowe ATH gdzie... przeciętna osoba złapana na medialna nagonkę została zderzona z realiami w postaci 200$ opłaty za transfer bitcoina... ale nie ma tego złego ... są przecież inne lepsze bitcoiny. I tak kapitał rozlał się na XRP, ETH i dalej w dół szukając szybszego lepszego bitcoina który zajmie jego miejsce jako waluta globalna. Potem "alt seazon" sam się nakręcał i rosło każde badziewie. Kapitał rozlewał się coraz dalej.

kto inwestował? Przeważnie milenialsi podatni na wizje zmiany świata, lambo inwestorzy. Scamy zniszczyły piękne inicjatywy jak ICO (narzędzie inwestycyjne/ crowdfunding) ... serio ICO jest czymś wielkim, ale jest nieużyteczne przez połączenie lekkomyślnego inwestora i scamera.

Bańka 2021:

Media nakręcają bitcoina jako safe-haven. Alternatywna inwestycja. Największe fundusze inwestycyjne zalecają posiadać co najmniej 5% dobrze zdywersyfikowanego portfela w bitcoinie. Na rynek wpływają inwestorzy instytucjonalni. Wielkie korporacje lokują część rezerw w bitcoinie.

Wygląda na to, że Fidelity* również czyta moje wypociny przedstawiając dokładnie takie samo podejście w swoim raporcie. Powie im ktoś, że byłem szybszy o 8 miesięcy? Smiley

"Innymi słowy, bitcoin miałby być rodzajem „poduszki” dla portfela ze zdywersyfikowanymi inwestycjami. Fidelity zaleca, aby inwestorzy lokowali w swoich portfelach minimum 5% w BTC. "
https://bithub.pl/raporty/rewolucyjny-raport-fidelity-do-bitcoina-plyna-biliony-dolarow/

Ja pisałem jeszcze o małym procencie w altach o solidnych fundamentach udowodnionych trwardymi zyskami. Spokojnie, Fidelity dojdzie do tego za pół roku Smiley

*Fidelity - "It is one of the largest asset managers in the world with $3.3 trillion in assets under management as of June 2020 and a combined total customer asset value number of $8.3 trillion."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidelity_Investments

Zalecają 5% trzymać w btc a sami mają 3.3 biliona dolarów ... Jakby się zastosowali do swoich zaleceń to musieliby kupić BTC za 150 mld$ (kupić prawie wszystkie BTC w obiegu po obecnej cenie). Jak tu nie być bykiem?

I teraz mi powiedz... czy obecny kapitał dołączający do kryptowalut pod obecnie królujący paradygmat, wielkie korporacje, które muszą zwołać spotaknie zarządu do wydania każdego $ (nie inwestujące emocjonalnie) szukając dywersyfikacji portfela w celu ucieczki przed inflacją zainwestują w niezrealizowany od 3 lat pomysł wyceniany na 4,6 mld $!!! - cardano. Albo w oracle (zwykle oracle, banda małp dająca informacje do blockchaina) wycenione na 4.8 mld$?! - link. Jaki zysk musiałby wygenerować link by uzasadnić taką wycenę? Koło 400 mln $ ... teraz wymień firmy jakie są w stanie zapłacić 400 mln$ rocznie za ORACLE. Rynek altów spadł srogo, ale do realnych wycen brakuje jeszcze 1000x.

Moim zdaniem ... jeśli dojdzie do alt seazonu to rosnąc będą fundamentalnie silne projekty o realnych zyskach/ wielomilionych bazach stałych klientów, które da się obliczyć wskaźnikowo, porównać do alternatyw na rynku tradycyjnym. Liderzy rynku. Najbezpieczniejsze aktywa. ETH (królowa rynku), BNB(niedowartościowany fundamentalnie - P/E, lider branży CEXów), co dziwne może też LTC mimo, że według mnie martwy (dla inwestorów szukających cyfrowego srebra, a taką łatkę ma przyklejony litecoin)

Oczywiście to tylko moja wizja ewentualnego przebiegu bańki 2020-2022 i według niej ... alty zostaną daleeeko w tyle.

BTW:
Udzielałem się trochę na dziale dot. altów. Serio ... strzyżenie owiec/baranów ... ten rynek ma jeszcze dużo do oddania jeśli taką amatorszczyzną charakteryzują się inwestorzy.
1- co sądzicie o altcoinie xxx?
2- Dobry projekt, wysoka aktywność na githubie, aktywnie rozwijany, na pewno odbije...

Aha ... A może jakieś odniesienie do obecnej wyceny, próba oszacowania zysków w najbliższych 10 latach (optymistycznie i pesymistycznie), porównanie tego z wyceną, oszacowanie ryzyk, sprawdzenie konkurencji ... wiele by wymieniać. To, że 2 programistów robi coś na githubie to nie uzasadnia wyceny na poziomie miliarda dolarów. Ale niestety, youtobowi celebryci wmówili ludziom, że research polega na sprawdzeniu liczby osób na telegramie, twitterze, aktywnośc na githubie (w liczbie zmian).

Ale mam nadzieję, że zobaczę jeszcze kiedyś prawdziwe ICO. Że przyjdzie koleś i powie, że zakłada warzywniak. Że ma taka i taką lokalizacje, tylu potencjalnych klientów, takie szacowane zyski, że wypuszcza xxx tokenów za 10k zł bo tyle potrzebuje na inwestycje i że za 20 % zysków będzie skupował tokeny.  Bo to jest całe piękno tego rynku. Przenoszenie kapitału od inwestorów do przedsiębiorców. A nie od dzieciaków do scammerów, którzy robią tysięcznego forka monero ale z masternodami/innym modelem dystrybucji itp. a potem 3 lata utrzymują "aktywność na githubie", która wygląda tak - "1 new commits a31f27b - Fix typo".



2572  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: technical analysis short setup for bitcoin today on: December 22, 2020, 03:21:21 PM
Yes that's true I'm not really good at trading but I understand some few about it and for me the information on the image is too much maybe you could just break that down and create multiple analysis individually anyways it seems like a good analysis.

Its not too much data on 1 chart. There is only 1 thing - head and shoulder formation. Don't know hot to put that on "multiple analysis individually". My point was that there is no need to write obvious things, or many synonyms for one word or same thing 2 times.
The analysis is correct - finding the formation, but the description is difficult to read due to the crowded elements.
2573  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Idena is the first Proof-of-Person Blockchain on: December 22, 2020, 03:14:52 PM
I see many complain in Telegram group. Many people had trouble loading flip images, therefore they failed to pass validation. I guess this can be a reason for a smaller number compared to the previous time.

Nah. They are always complaining. There was nothing extraordinary this time.

Its dumped price. We were observing smaller and smaller grow each epoch. Looking at chart that i provided we were going flat for 6 epochs with price above 500 sat. It was quite obvious that after dump from 500 to 300 sat some miners will quit mining.
2574  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: technical analysis short setup for bitcoin today on: December 22, 2020, 03:02:53 PM
Too much on one picture. There is no need to point 4 arrows at 1 line with "support", "neckline", "wait for price to break this level", "entry level for short after price this level". Also "left shoulder", "head", "right shoulder" is quite obvious after you have drawn 3 triangles - no need to write that.

Alts were mostly affected this time. The plunge of bitcoin today was probably due to the covid 2.0 strains on UK which also made the stock markets plunge. Again, this will make other speculators to think that there's relation for bitcoin and stocks but sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.
In your analysis, if it goes $19700, are you going to follow that shorting price? because there's a possibility that it will be a continuous plummet because of the new problem that has been reported and the markets are reacting accordingly.

Market (both bitcoin and SP500) are very strong after covid 2.0 news. Maybe investors are less willing to dump after fast recover after March dump (covid-19 panic sell).

We already broke resistance and set todays high at 23600$. Stoploss triggered?
2575  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Morgan Stanley says "betting on bitcoin is harmful to the U.S. dollar" on: December 22, 2020, 02:24:01 PM
Amount of M3 money in USA - 18,812,000,000,000
Bitcoin marketcap - $437,208,834,065

DAMN my point was to show that bitcoin is so f.king small compared to US dolar that it has little to 0 impact on it but ... bitcoin is now worth 2% of all dollars. This is very impressive. In fact bitcoin is 6th biggest currencies.

Now back to "harm the U.S. dollar and weaken democracy." ... How the hell this has anything in common with democracy? I think that politicians too many times "wipe their mouths with democracy". Every time they want to prove that something is bad (in most cases bad for them) they say that it harms democracy...
2576  Local / Polski / Re: Pospekulujmy o aktualnej i przyszłej cenie BTC. on: December 21, 2020, 01:59:39 PM
Binance padlo? Czy tylko u mnie nie dziala?

Zawsze w takich sytuacjach wbijaj na twitter CZ

"Spot matching engine is in maintenance mode. All deposit/withdraw/transfer features are also paused.

Futures matching engine and trading are working. Just no transfers."

"Funds are #SAFU. Folded hands"

"Our system detected a potential matching error, and the matching was automatically suspended. We are looking into the issue. May take 30-60 min by initial estimate (may change). Will keep you updated."

https://twitter.com/cz_binance

Hmmm porownuje ktos z Was gieldy? Ktora byla liderem spadkow?

Tu chyba losowość gra największą rolę. Ale mogę się mylić. Zwykle najniżej pada tam, gdzie największe lewary były pozakładane (giełdy futures - bitmex, binance futures), ale flash crashe zdarzają się wszędzie.

Aktualnie ponad 1500usd spadku. Czy  zaliczylismy juz dno tej korekty?

Dla mnie to my jeszcze nie zaczelismy korekty. Czym jest -5% po +150% w 3 miesiące


Dla to jest ooptymalny scenariusz po tak zabujczym rajdzie - powrót do obecnych poziomów gdzieś koło czerwca i szczyt kolejnej fali na poziomie 35-45k.

Tak zupełnym przypadkiem SP500 też robić dziś ostry minus Smiley Media przypisują to ... "A new strain of the virus that causes COVID-19 has been identified in southeast England, U.K." O... Kur... robi się ciekawie.
2577  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Example > Another odd opinion about Bitcoin on: December 20, 2020, 06:24:28 PM
he did not even know (or maybe wanting to fool the audience) that currently selling or buying Bitcoin can be done with a Smartphone (not only a computer) as long as it is connected to the internet "LOL"..

By computers he was talking about devices with computing power (f.e. solar blast or something like that, that will destroy all electonics). But this will also whipe out all fiat balances, will unable you to you visa/mastercard and I daubt that you will be able to buy bread and milk wilth gold coin worth 2000$. Gold/fiats/bitcoin would be useless for short term during this extreme case.
2578  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: what do you think about the idea of ​​this project? on: December 20, 2020, 01:38:27 PM
Those are very high risk assets. Very hard to predict. I don't think they are good to speculate on. Definetly not good to hold. And you all need to know that token is just a way of getting funds (crowdfunding). It should not be created in a way that average investor is more like a gambler. It looks to me that this token is intended only for gambling.

There is in deep research made by binance academy about elastic supply tokens together with build in risks

https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/elastic-supply-tokens-explained?ref=JLI1VBLA&utm_source=BinanceTwitter&utm_medium=GlobalSocial&utm_campaign=GlobalSocial

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Elastic supply tokens are highly risky and very dangerous investments. You should only invest in them if you completely understand what you’re doing. Remember, looking at price charts isn’t going to be all that helpful, since the amount of tokens you hold will change after rebases occur.

Sure, this can amplify your gains to the upside, but it can also amplify your losses. If rebases occur while the token price is going down, you not only lose money from the token price going down, you’ll also own less and less tokens after each rebase!

Since they’re quite tricky to understand, investing in rebasing tokens will likely result in a loss for most traders. Only invest in elastic supply tokens if you can fully grasp the mechanisms behind them. Otherwise, you’re not in control of your investment and won’t be able to make informed decisions.
2579  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin virtual currency is a scam on: December 20, 2020, 01:25:05 PM
Ok... we all love you ... don't make any ill-considered moves. Get up slowly from the computer and go to your first aid kit. Take the pills your doctor prescribed and go to sleep. When you wake up, you will feel much better.
2580  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To all of you who believe it's smart to "invest" in Bitcoin on: December 19, 2020, 07:35:27 PM
holding any sort of "currency" is generally speaking a bad idea over the long run, as currencies dont produce anything and only act as a means of exchange and therefore don't have a positive expected return over the long-run. If Fiat currencies collapse tomorrow, this doesn't mean that all wealth except Bitcoin will be wiped out, as there are many assets like stocks, bonds, real estate, etc.. that will be in demand even after a new currency has been established.

Agreed. Thats why I said that bitcoin is "one of few ways for not holding a "hot potato"", not the only one. There are many things but... most of them does not even hold value. And bonds are not safe during global reset (thats the debt that we will try to get rid of during global reset), stocks are not safe eather - you don't know how companies will perform during reset. Real estate are not easy to buy/sell without huge spread and time.
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