Good market operator (AKA manipulator) that takes care ADA to be attractive from technical point of view (volume, volatility), so it attract traders. Good team responsible for marketing (its not that easy to promise to deliver stuff for 4 years and still nothing). There is not a single DEX on cardano, there is not a single project launched on cardano, there is no user base, there is no infrastructure ... promise of delivering something great ... one day in future ... is enough to push marketcap to 80 bilions, top 3 CMC. Insane.

1- situation in which voting power is spread between the biggest amount of nodes with the least amount of voting power centralized inside biggest nodes. Best sytuation will be each node has symilar voting power but its hard to achive that because of Sybil attack.

2- there is no unified tool but I would say - how much, out of biggest nodes, owns majority of network and how much work it takes to become one of them.

3- All types of delegated "proof of whatever" is always less decentralized than "proof of whatever". So fast coins like BSC are less decentralized than ETH. In terms of the most decentralized chain i'll call bitcoin for top1 but ... IDENA looks to be interesting pick also. Super low cap now but its interresting tech. Its innovative chain that is backed by Proof of Person protocol. Already 8000 nodes. Turing test is responsible to block people from owning multiple nodes. Worth to read more about it.

If all you want is passive income .... than the best way to achive repeatable results with the lowest possible risk (what characterizes investing in passive income) is stable coins liquidity pools on BSC or ETH. You can get up to 15% APY while the only risk you take is failure of stable coin you put liquidity into. For example exit scam of binance (failure of BUSD) which looks to be unlikely.

When you chose to run masternode you are exposed to currency risk of owning a bag of altcoins that are extreamly volatile. 30-50% APY from owning a masternode looks decent but annual volatility (-95% or x10) makes even this decent profit negligible. Especially since almost all the masternodes that pay high APY pays them from creating new coins, which inflates the old ones making NET APY much lower.

I think that the first question should be .... will ever cardano deliver its product? Its "almost ready" last 4 years. In 2017 cardano was a promise only, in 2021 cardano is still a promise only.

Crypto - place where promise is worth more than product

Second question is ... will this long awaited product be better than BSC, Solana, tron and other coins that are "cheaper and faster Ethereum"?

Third question - will devs flip from BSC, SOL, ETH to ADA and move their projects there? I doubt it because there is no infrastructure. Like eth and BSC have (dozens of wallets - metamask, bridges etc).

And finally if all above questions are answered we may ask who will deliver first dex there. Not before.

It's already like that. Older nodes gets more coins from validation. Also gets coins from making flips (0 epoch node don't do flips for first validation and can do less flips for first few epochs), do not have an option to invite someone and get invitation rewards before epoch 5?. so person who is killing his node each epoch is mining like 2 times less than 5 epoch old account thanks to validation rewards. 5 epoch old account is a 100 day hodler... that super long comparing to average in crypto.

About coins outside of stake - you cant block people from spending their coins its not what its all about ... all you will get is making new nodes enter the network harder = slower network grow = lower fundamentals. You need to build use-cases that will burn coins (like ADS network that should be done in this year) and other activities. You need to make access to idena as easy as possible. Otherwise you will make all this dumpers to join farms, because farms will pay them after each epoch from coins dumped from older nodes while holding "dumper" node coins till "full node maturation day" to dump without penalty.

Its not tokenomics what makes idena to be locked in super low cap coins range. Its lack of marketing and big exchange. Not surprising. Before validation sharding price explosion is dangerous.

So you are saying here that lower number of nodes will be better for IDNA price? Thats the oposit of what logic say. Lower amount of nodes = less secured network (creating centralized 100 node farm and attack network is easy, creating 100 000 centralized node farm is impossible). The whole point of idena is having as much nodes as it is possible to attract advertisers, to be faster and cheaper (with sharding) and many many more. First time I hear that destroying coin fundamentals (forcing nodes to quit to lower nodes amount) will benefit the price.

Yes you are wrong


Inflation presented in number of coins is useless. You should always devide it by number of coins in circulation.

51,840 coins per day = 18,9 mln coins per year - here you are correct

Circulating Supply 47,718,592.04 IDNA

Inflation for next year - 39% - yea that big but idena is 2 year old. Inflation will go down with every year because number of coins in circulation will go up. In 5 years from now (7 year old coin) inflation will drop to 13%. (in fact much lower because of burns - ~100k each epoch and expected burns in future from ads)

Bitcoin while being 2 year old had inflation around 50%, 7 year old bitcoin has inflation around 10%. Current CAKE inflation is around 200% (150% if you consider that some of newly minted coins are burned).

So inflation is not the case that IDNA is only 5 mln $ coin.


Rewards are low because price is low. Not because miners should get more coins becasue more coins = bigger inflation = even lower price = even lower rewards. So in this point you state that price is low because price is low.

So p1 and p2 contradict each other. You cant lower inflation in the same time make higher reward.

But in the end of the day the only sensible conclusion from point 2 is that ... price is low and 5 mln $ for innovative coin with 8000 nodes is insane.

Ohh the best is yet to come


https://twitter.com/binance/status/1428993373227134976

Weve trippled the price but not even hit the same google search atention as we have in 2017. With new ATH and rally to 100k we will see a hidge spike in google trends (there is a lot of space to grow there) and true massive wave on new people rashin in to know more about crypto. Bitcointalk will be spammed with the most stupid threads you can imagine like "the best coin to buy below 1$", "I have 1000$ to invest, what should I buy". People who been here in 2017 knows what I'm talking about.

I was reading a book about Jesse Livermore - "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator". He has spent part of his career manipulating the markets to execute client orders (e.g. sell a huge bag of stocks at the best price). Including all trics. Fake volume, fake "increased activity", just to show that dead stock is now alive and will "soon moon", but when I saw how shiba is doing a 1000x on a on hype ... man ... Its not market and dump lambo guys who pomped price there. Its not that its manipulated now. It was manipulated from the very first day by one of the best market operators. Market operator witch such balls. He must have put bilions into this pump. Into binance listing at the top of the bubble. Jesse Livermore of our times.

Now ... after the bubble burst ... people wants to jump in for 3% APY XD.

Well thats also optimistic scenario. 10% of all global wealth inside bitcoin. DECENT!

Going more real and closer (5-10 years)

Bitcoin remains to be "only" digital gold. Superior asset immune to fiat inflation thanks to it economic model and deflational characteristic which makes it holds value (purchasing power) over long period of time.

But ... In next few years bitcoin strengthens its position and proves fundamentally superior to gold:

1- Bitcoin is easier to buy/sell, easier to store
2- Bitcoin is easier to transfer, easier to send
3- Bitcoin is divided by 100 mln. Min investment is thousends times smaller than gold
4- Bitcoin stock to flow model is already better than gold (gold stock/flow = 66, BTC stock/flow = 50 and will go down by half each 4 years)
5- Gold and Bitcoin ... both has little to 0 real world usage. All its value is based on "store of value" paradigm.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/299609/gold-demand-by-industry-sector-share/

Investment and central banks are responsible for majority of gold demand. Next is jewellery (so people who buy gold - including me XD- are doing it because ... its prettyXD ... and other investors likes it) and only 8% in technology (most likely will be replaced by nanotubes and other strange stuff in next few years). So when world will figure out that bitcoin is superior to gold as investment product ... we will for sure grab at least 50% of gold marketcap ($11T) which will push BTC price to 300k $ or even higher considering better stock to flow model and a fact that its getting cut by half each 4 years - and thats fair evaluation after few years. Market as always will overreact and overprice bitcoin ...pushing it much higher trying to include future successes in the price.

Its 3.5% to 5.3% right now. itn not a good APY when you compensate it with extremely volatile asset such as Shiba. Coin that pumped 600x in 2 months and dumped 83% right after. This 3.5% will have negligible impact on final ROI because majority of it will come from price volatility.

I would avoid this shady coin. Even with 100% APY from staking.

Maximum? Hmm year 2050 and bitcoin is the only currency. Its a max win sitation. Bitcoin won, banks lost. Here is price prediction:

"| 2021 Edition. There is approximately US $37 trillion in circulation: this includes all the physical money and the money deposited in savings and checking accounts. Money in the form of investments, derivatives, and cryptocurrencies exceeds $1.2 quadrillion"
https://www.rankred.com/how-much-money-is-there-in-the-world/

$1.2 quadrillion devided by 21 milion = 57 mln $ per bitcoin in present purchasing power. Consider 3% inflation per year and we have 138 mln $. Consider the fact that untill that day probably >50% of bitcoins will be lost forever and we have 276 mln $ per single bitcoin. Thats the answer to your question. "But my question is how much maximum a bitcoin can worth and when ??"

But is it probable? Most likely not. Is it possible? Well ... it is.

As a short term trader you need to look at price chart only. Onchain matrics does not work in short term, may work in longer term or may not work at all because 90% of volume comes from futures trading that does not even touch real bitcoin. So we leave in a word where the tail rules the dog not the oposite. Where futures price determines where spot is going to (and it does not relate to bitcoin only, same is with gold and other big assets).

Have you seen a decent study that proves that onchain metrics is a tool that a tool that produces repeatable results with a known probability? I havent. I only see a bunch of people that take random onchain indicator and build random predictions based on that, that sometimes are correct sometimes wrong.

no they are not. They are shady exchange that cheat with volume. Looks like they paid for such topics too. Because its not the first I see started by low rank members. I was already writing about them so no need to do it second time:


I would not trust a penies with this exchange. And OP was asking about indicators not copy-trading.

@OP This is a topic for you
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4846473.0

Despite bigger liquidity, new futures trading options does not impact price since futures enables not only longing but also sorting coins you don't own. So net outcome is neutral. I would rather like to see that they help to build crypto-fiat getaways, build-in crypto wallets inside bank accoutns. So they will in give something to crypto instead of taking fees from trading only. Trading futures with zero net positive impact on crypto industry.

Otóż błąd. Sprawdzasz firmę bitomatu do którego się udajesz (np tutaj) i wchodzisz na ich stronę i sprawdzasz nie tylko cenę ale i opcje sprzedaży. Czy to przy użyciu maila, czy telefonu, czy kodu QR, czy na miejscu czy może chcesz już wygenerować transakcję by zabookować cenę. Wątek dotyczy shitcoinsclub i oto ich strona z bieżącymi kursami:
https://shitcoins.club/


Jeśli było to shitcoins.club to złapałeś się zapewne na skrajnie niekorzystne odchylenie spreadu od ceny spot. Polecam co kilka dni brać cenę spot z binance przeliczyć po bieżącym kursie z $$ na swoją walutę potem wchodzić na shitcoins.club i sprawdzić, czy wyliczona cena jest bliżej ceny kupna czy sprzedaży.

All timeframes are necessary. I'm starting with weekly candles to know where market is going and slowly going down to lower timeframes. You need to know whole picture to not trade against big market moves. If price is on strong support on weekly candles I will not short only because chart on 5 min candles looks bearish. Good daytrader should build wide price awareness and go to lower time frames to find best spot to open position in a direction where whole market is going on big timeframes. So when i know when market is going, I go to 5 min candles to find sweet spot, when I'm almost sure its here i switch to 1 min candles to open position with as small stop loss as possible. When trade is not behaving how I predict I close before stoploss hit. Risk/reward ratio is insane here because you are out when chart on 1 min candles fail or you close with small profit or ... you just open position that can be holded for weeks because its not against global trend.

I think we should rather focus on macro economy since bitcoin is no longer nerds kindergarten. Its a poker table for institutions right now. Institutions that dont play toys. Thay have their targets, strategies. They rebalance their portfolio dumping winners and buying more loosers to fit diversification strategy. Thats why i think that extrapolating past performance is not the best idea. Its similar to driving a car on a motorway looking back all the time and assuming that street will always go straight and will never end. If Sp500 will crash 40% (currently inside giant 1.5 year rising wedge -bearish- formation) do you expect that anything ... gold, DAX, LSE, BTC will survive? I bet that BTC will dump 50% no matter what inside bitcoin indicators are saying. If we will see global recesion that will last few years, do you expect BTC to respect hash Ribbons? That institutions wont dump BTC rebalancing wallet that lost 50% on everything except BTC which pumped 5x? They will dump 80% BTC to meet 5% of whole wallet target and buy more of the rest holdings.

Trochę mi to, póki co, przypomina "Relief rally". Absurdem było, że BTC upadł jak kamień w wodę i szorował okolice 30k tak długo. Skrajne wyprzedanie, większego próżno szukać w historii bitcoina, 2 miesiące na "extreame fear" na indeksie fear/greed ... nic dziwnego, że odbicie jest spektakularne. Jest spora nadzieja na kontynuację ruchu ale powiem szczerze, że obstawiam bardziej 60:40 na ponowne przetestowanie 30k , odbicie 35-40k, znów 30k i utknięcie przy 30k na dobre ... Dopiero za rok jakies silniejsze ruchy. Albo do 20k albo nowy cykl, nowa hossa.

Przetestuj tą opcję z wcelowanie się w korzystny spread, bo jak juz pisalem w innym wątku jest on niesymetryczny:


Poważnie ... raz nawet widziałem ujemną opłate u nich przy zakupie .... przy sprzedaży było wtedy ponad 10%, ale to zależy od tego, czy bardziej opłaca im się kupować czy sprzedawać więc w odwrotną sytuację też można trafić.