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2561  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
You do realize the staggering amount of incest needed to create a race from 2 people. Theoretically speaking. Because if it were needed to repopulate the earth again it would be needed something like 300.00 people in order to avoid the terrible genetic inbred consequences that would result otherwise.

Which is evidence against the creation story... multiple generations of incest is detrimental to the gene pool... take a look at the Egyptian Pharaohs for a perfect example

The theory of evolution does not start with 2 people... it is the continuous progression of small adaptations in a gene pool of a species, that over time add up to large changes... it does not start with 2 people, but a group/herd of people/animals... no incest required for evolution, only creationism...

(I suppose BADecker would argue the first 2 amoeba were incestual, but amoeba reproduce asexually, so he'd be wrong as usual)
2562  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 07:49:14 PM
(usual nonsense)

Why are you even here?  Haven't you read the bible?

Here, let me help you:

Quote from: Leviticus 19:16
You shall not go about as a talebearer among your people

Quote from: Leviticus 20:1-2
Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his descendants to Molech, he shall surely be put to death.’”
Ignore the vowels in the name Moloch... Hebrew does not have vowels, they are arbitrarily(?) added during transliteration into English... the 3 letters used for Moloch are MLK (hebrew מלך, literally 'king')

Quote from: Deuteronomy 17:2-7
“If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the Lord your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing His covenant, who has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, and it is told you, and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and shall stone to death that man or woman with stones. Whoever is deserving of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses; he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness. The hands of the witnesses shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So you shall put away the evil from among you.

Quote from: Deuteronomy 13: 6-11
“If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you.

Less talking, more stoning please... God commanded you to get me stoned!
2563  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 16, 2016, 07:32:03 PM
Atheists hate religion because it makes them feel stupid. Like discussing the theory of the match: how do you strike it, why does it make light? why does it make smoke? and most importantly: where does the smoke go?!

To me religion is an old relic. The religious ideas insult my intelligence.

I'm offended by the nonsense being presented as truth.

I don't hate religious people, I feel sorry for them.  They are wasting their lives.

I'd not say I hate religion or religious people in general.  Just like I would not hate a schizophrenic claiming to be a Napoleon.

Religion is just too funny and interesting to observe.  

What I hate is when they force their religious dogma on others, especially on children.  Now, that is just child abuse.

Sometimes it goes beyond child abuse, and enters the realm of premeditated murder:
Faith-Healing Leads To Dead Kids
Idaho Kids Are Dying From 'Faith Healing'
Idaho Republicans Defend 'Faith-Healing' Parents Who Watch Kids Die
2564  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 16, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
You know, even though it would be a waste of time, I'd like to meet you, Moloch, afnewbie and others that have contributed, meet in real life and discuss. I know Moloch said you were trolling but you're either the biggest troll ever [or] you really believe all the crap you say.
Either way - it would be interesting.

Since nobody has been able to show the flaws in the so-called crap I say, my so-called crap is less crap than things that are opposite of it.


1) He's both... I'm fairly sure he actually believes the stuff he says... he thinks science is a giant conspiracy against religion (basically the opposite of reality... he fell for the propaganda/pseudoscience)... I'm guessing he was home schooled because his thought process is too outside the box for even a private religious school upbringing... I spent 7-9th grades in a private Christian school myself, and never once did anyone state that science proves God, or anything of that sort... nobody believes that shit but BADecker

B) I've shown every claim you have made is pure propaganda and pseudoscience... mostly shown that you don't even understand the words you use... like theory and law and hypothesis... you conflate the ideas into your own definition, which contradicts the definition science has assigned those words... You have never even made a scientific-looking claim... Just a bunch of hocus pocus = God exists... meaningless drivel without supporting evidence... its just your opinion (at best), which is not an acceptable form of evidence when it comes to science... sorry, that's the facts
2565  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 07:00:19 PM
Behind every creation, there is a creator, this is common sense and logical and doesn't consume too many brain cells to work out whether God exists or not. Human itself is a proof that God exists.

Actually, this is not common sense...

Who says everything requires a creator?  Where is your evidence of such?

Humans are not created, humans are born... as a direct result of your parents having sex... God had nothing to do with it... He mostly didn't even watch them having sex... mostly...
2566  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 06:47:36 PM
Oh, I just hope to live long enough for science to prove you all wrong and then kick you in the nuts. Cause It's full of nuts here.

Anyone who thinks Wikipedia and 99% of the internet is a giant conspiracy against religion... is a nut...

Anyone who believes those crazy religious propaganda/pseudoscience videos that BADecker linked... is a fool...

Anyone who thinks science has proven God exists... is a nut...

Anyone who believes religion has proven God exists... is a fool...

Anyone who ignores scientific evidence, via experimentation, physically verifiable results, peer review, predictive qualities of theories, etc... in lieu of testimony based religious propaganda... is a tool...

Anyone who intentionally perverts the definition of the words: law, theory, hypothesis, proof, evidence, and fact... is a liar, con-artist, and a tool

2567  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 10:51:32 AM
I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us... (useless comment clipped)

Because you continue to fail at providing evidence/proof which meets the standards of science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frye_standard

Linking to Christian propaganda videos does not help your case... those sources you linked are the very definition of pseudoscience... I refuted the first 60 seconds, and there was no point watching further since it was obviously deliberate misinformation...

I also asked you to queue up the math portion so I could refute that separately... Why have you refused to do this?

You say that you could refute something, but you haven't. That's okay, of course. So, what does that have to do with focusing on us rather than focusing on the fact that the existence of God has been scientifically proven?


I suppose I'll repost this since you seem to have forgotten already

When you watch, for example, the Youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc, you find that Big Bang and Black Hole theory contradict themselves and each other. Since they contradict, they are nonsense.

Sorry, I tried to watch the 2 hour video you linked, but after 60 seconds I had to stop... The guy claimed that we have never witnessed the event horizon of a black hole, which is simply untrue... If his initial premise is a lie, his entire argument fails

We have observed black holes via telescope and we can see the event horizon. We can also see the predicted gravitational lensing of stars behind the black hole, which shows the theory has accurate predictive qualities (required to be considered a theory)
http://www.space.com/31548-event-horizon-telescope-black-hole-photos.html

He then goes on to claim that according to black hole theory, all matter should be inside the black hole, and that there cannot be more than 1 black hole
It's a shame we just built a brand new telescope to study black holes since there is only 1 of them, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quasars

Guy does not have a clue...

You keep making the claim that there is scientific proof that God exists, yet you fail to provide this proof every time you are asked for it

You do not even understand the rigorous requirements for your evidence to be accepted by the scientific community

If you ever provide actual scientific evidence, or provide a link to a source for such evidence, I will gladly look at it and refute it...

But, if the best you have is propaganda/lies, you have nothing with substance worthy of debate

Why not google some of the "facts" in his video?  Don't take my word for it... do some research... consult google... google will enlighten you to exactly how wrong this guy is... I found 3 blatant lies in the first 60 seconds...




Also note, and this is very important!!!
Pay attention to his speech patterns... you will notice that he is talking as if to a child... exactly the same tone that many religious preachers use... exactly the same tone that many con-artists use... it is the way people unconsciously talk when they know they are feeding you bullshit, and hope you are not smart enough to call shenanigans
2568  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 10:38:51 AM
I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?

Why do you keep focusing on the two of us... (useless comment clipped)

Because you continue to fail at providing evidence/proof which meets the standards of science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frye_standard

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence — Marcello Truzzi

Linking to Christian propaganda videos does not help your case... those sources you linked are the very definition of pseudoscience... I refuted the first 60 seconds, and there was no point watching further since it was obviously deliberate misinformation...

I also asked you to queue up the math portion (which you claim proves something) so I could refute that separately... Why have you refused to do this?
2569  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 10:35:57 AM
yes god exist and there are profs like who created nature who did the big bang who created you and when bad things happens to you doesn't mean he hates you everything happens has its own reason.

Thank you for volunteering as an example of someone who does not have 120 IQ
2570  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 16, 2016, 10:20:16 AM
Doesn't this forum have a policy against low-quality posts, or is that only the "off topic" section?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334019.0

You take away all the fun *grumble*. Post deleted.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was funny and appropriate (because, well... I've seen BitNow's posts)

BitNow is the one I was referring to... half of his posts are 0-3 words + "Best regards."

Talking about that, don't you find creepy how bitnow always ends everything by "best regards" and Badecker by his" Smiley " ?

I'm not sure creepy is the right word... I find it annoying

It's usually girls who do the smileys... And BitNow appears to be Italian, so he might have different customs or something, no idea there
2571  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 10:09:02 AM
I just wanted to mention, that anyone who has been fooled into believing that science theory is fact, has been fooled by religion.

How did I know you were going to ignore my previous post?

Random question...

Were you home schooled, or did you go to a private Christian/Catholic school?
2572  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 16, 2016, 09:52:34 AM

Why do you believe he got an IQ in the 120? He's not able to get a logical reasonning...

He has decent spelling and grammar (Example: I've never seen him say something like, "He's not able to get a logical reasonning")

He does understand logic, he just refuses to accept it...

He types fast and responds quickly, showing he is quick on his feet.  He is cunning and manipulative with his words (in a religious delusion sort of way)

Don't let his religious beliefs fool you, not all religions people are morons... many intelligent people have been fooled by religion

Also note, IQ adjusts with age... I'm guessing 23, so if he's older than that, lower my estimation... If he's only 14, the kid is practically a genius and will be an Atheist within 2 years Wink
2573  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Homosexuality is caused by being molested on: February 16, 2016, 02:25:11 AM
HUMANS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN A PLANT
HUMANS ARE NOTHING SPECIAL ITS JUST YOU SEEM TO THINK WE ARE..

So your saying animals don't get stressed your saying plants don't get stressed ?

The trouble with you .your trying to prove me wrong when i know Iam right.. lets look at the facts yes
please gay people admit this.. as your life ever been stressful

bullied
molested
bad birth I.E mum struggled while carrying or  problem at birth smoking in the womb drinking in the womb
mum dad arguing a lot
no parents
in jail no women around sexual frustration ..I.E STRESS
in the army no women around sexual frustration ..I.E STRESS
sailor. no women around sexual frustration ..I.E STRESS
raped
no father figure
mum dad always shouting at you when child
dad always picking on your mum growing up watching it

now 90% of gays will say that 1 of those problems has happened to them to turn them gay?
many problems can happen in the womb

so how much stress? all related to stress?
SO NOW WE KNOW ITS NOT A GENE ITS STRESS AND YES IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILD
FROM THE WOMB TILL YOU DIE..

So in theory anyone can turn gay at any point in life?
Always remember people cope with stress better than others? but just could it be stress that makes you gay?

I suppose you could test that theory by looking at the most stressful occupations and comparing it to the rate of homosexuality...

Though, I highly doubt you will find any correlation

Hollar back when you have some evidence to support your hypothesis
2574  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 16, 2016, 02:15:58 AM
Doesn't this forum have a policy against low-quality posts, or is that only the "off topic" section?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334019.0

You take away all the fun *grumble*. Post deleted.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was funny and appropriate (because, well... I've seen BitNow's posts)

BitNow is the one I was referring to... half of his posts are 0-3 words + "Best regards."
2575  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 16, 2016, 02:11:06 AM
Doesn't this forum have a policy against low-quality posts, or is that only the "off topic" section?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1334019.0
2576  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SCALIA FOUND DEAD WITH 'PILLOW OVER HEAD' on: February 16, 2016, 02:07:22 AM
Antonin Scalia MURDERED by Obama to Open Supreme Court Spot for a Liberal? - Illuminati Conspiracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz221lgosh0


Bahaha... that's stupid... What good would it do Obama?

Obama hasn't even bothered to name anyone yet because he knows congress will not confirm the nomination...

That makes the nomination available for the next president, whoever that may be (and a 10+ month vacancy in the supreme court)
2577  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 15, 2016, 09:40:21 PM
When you watch, for example, the Youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc, you find that Big Bang and Black Hole theory contradict themselves and each other. Since they contradict, they are nonsense...

Sorry, I tried to watch the 2 hour video you linked, but after 60 seconds I had to stop... The guy claimed that we have never witnessed the event horizon of a black hole, which is simply untrue... If his initial premise is a lie, his entire argument fails

We have observed black holes via telescope and we can see the event horizon. We can also see the predicted gravitational lensing of stars behind the black hole, which shows the theory has accurate predictive qualities (required to be considered a theory)
http://www.space.com/31548-event-horizon-telescope-black-hole-photos.html

He then goes on to claim that according to black hole theory, all matter should be inside the black hole, and that there cannot be more than 1 black hole
It's a shame we just built a brand new telescope to study black holes since there is only 1 of them, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quasars

Guy does not have a clue...

You keep making the claim that there is scientific proof that God exists, yet you fail to provide this proof every time you are asked for it

You do not even understand the rigorous requirements for your evidence to be accepted by the scientific community

If you ever provide actual scientific evidence, or provide a link to a source for such evidence, I will gladly look at it and refute it...

But, if the best you have is propaganda/lies, you have nothing with substance worthy of debate

... except that he proves what he says mathematically.

I guarantee that he proves nothing... a mathematical proof is a very specific animal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof#Methods (again with the definitions)

I refuse to watch the entire propaganda video, but if you queue up the math section for me, I will refute the math.  I got an A in calculus (and several math classes beyond calculus that you have never heard of), so I think I can handle it
2578  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 15, 2016, 08:27:18 PM
Much of what you say is inconsequential. Why would I want to get in the way of your silly beliefs?

The important things, like proving that God exists, are things that are self-evident to anybody who searches for the references using the things that I say. The only people that they are not self-evident to are people who are not very good thinkers, or those who don't want to see and don't look.

What I don't understand is why a seemingly educated person like yourself believes in these fairy tales...

I mean, I'd seriously pin your IQ in the 120-125 range... the top 10% on the planet!
Most people in this category are Atheist... because they chose to research religion and found all the lies, contradictions, deception, genocide, rape, slavery, homophobia, etc, etc, etc...

I just don't understand how anyone capable of logical thought can rationalize the insanity in that book... talking snakes, living inside a fish for 3 days, walking on water, resurrection, et al

Why do you believe the bible is a more accurate representation of reality than the scientific method?

When you watch, for example, the Youtube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhYsOQTfYEc, you find that Big Bang and Black Hole theory contradict themselves and each other. Since they contradict, they are nonsense.

The science laws that I have shown, cause and effect, complex universe, and universal complexity, prove that God exists.

Why should we go to the part of science that doesn't prove anything? Rather, lets go to the part of science that proves something.

Since religion talks about God, Which science has proven to exist, let's go to religion to see if we can prove more things about God. After all, the best parts of science which might prove that God does not exist, have been shown to be nonsense.

At least the Bible talks about things that exist. Science law talks about things that exist, as well, especially when it talks about God. Science theory talks about nonsense. Why go to the parts of science that talk nonsense? Let's go to the parts of science that talk proof... the proof that God exists. Then, let's try to use science to prove the things of the Bible.

Actually, there are many scientists that have proven much of the Bible. All one needs to do is search a little.

The bigger question is why do you continually avoid scientific proofs, and accept science nonsense as truth in place of the scientific proofs?

Sorry, I tried to watch the 2 hour video you linked, but after 60 seconds I had to stop... The guy claimed that we have never witnessed the event horizon of a black hole, which is simply untrue... If his initial premise is a lie, his entire argument fails

We have observed black holes via telescope and we can see the event horizon. We can also see the predicted gravitational lensing of stars behind the black hole, which shows the theory has accurate predictive qualities (required to be considered a theory)
http://www.space.com/31548-event-horizon-telescope-black-hole-photos.html

He then goes on to claim that according to black hole theory, all matter should be inside the black hole, and that there cannot be more than 1 black hole
It's a shame we just built a brand new telescope to study black holes since there is only 1 of them, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_black_holes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quasars

Guy does not have a clue...

You keep making the claim that there is scientific proof that God exists, yet you fail to provide this proof every time you are asked for it

You do not even understand the rigorous requirements for your evidence to be accepted by the scientific community

If you ever provide actual scientific evidence, or provide a link to a source for such evidence, I will gladly look at it and refute it...

But, if the best you have is propaganda/lies, you have nothing with substance worthy of debate
2579  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 15, 2016, 07:46:18 PM
Much of what you say is inconsequential. Why would I want to get in the way of your silly beliefs?

The important things, like proving that God exists, are things that are self-evident to anybody who searches for the references using the things that I say. The only people that they are not self-evident to are people who are not very good thinkers, or those who don't want to see and don't look.

What I don't understand is why a seemingly educated person like yourself believes in these fairy tales...

I mean, I'd seriously pin your IQ in the 120-125 range... the top 10% on the planet!
Most people in this category are Atheist... because they chose to research religion and found all the lies, contradictions, deception, genocide, rape, slavery, homophobia, etc, etc, etc...

I just don't understand how anyone capable of logical thought can rationalize the insanity in the bible... talking snakes, living inside a fish for 3 days, walking on water, resurrection, et al

Why do you believe a 2000 year old book is a more accurate representation of reality than the scientific method?
2580  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Proof that God exists on: February 15, 2016, 07:32:41 PM
If you are not intelligent enough to use your own discretion about this, consult one of the residents of your local funny farm.

Why do you deny the existence of Allah, but insist that Yahweh is the real God?

Why are you an Atheist with respect to Zeus, Odin, Vishnu, Hades, Thor, Waheguru, Aphrodite, Moloch, Thoth, Horus, Ra, and Allah... but not Yahweh?

You are an Atheist with respect to 3000+ deities!

Why did you choose to believe in Yahweh, rather than the other 3000+ gods available?

Allah is simply a translation of the word "god," and shouldn't be capitalized because it is a false god. It is capitalized either out of respect for Muslims, or because people don't understand it is only a simple translation.


Allah is a name, and with all names, it is capitalized... you should have learned this in kindergarten

When a word that means god is not capitalized, it shows that it is referring to a false god. When it is referring to the true God, that is the reason it is capitalized. Thus, allah should not be capitalized; it is simply the word "god," and it is a false god that it is referring to.
Sorry, wrong again, proper names are always capitalized in English...

The word god is another matter... when referring to a god or gods, it is always lowercase... it is only capitalized when it is used as a proper name...
God (with capital G) is the proper name of a specific god
(leave it to the Christians to usurp a category into a proper name)

I suppose if you could read Hebrew you would realize that Allah is Elohim, the God of Abraham

Quote from: Wikipedia/Allah
Allah is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh, literally "the God"), referring to the God in Abrahamic religions. The word has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew

Although, having read the original Hebrew, I would personally argue that Elohim is not the God of Abraham, rather יְהֹוָה/YHVH/Yahweh/Jehovah is the God of Abraham
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