It's obvious with recent propaganda videos and lack of communication that the entire scheme is ready to collapse, i have enough information on the major players to initiate my lawsuit once everything goes south, but don't have enough owed to me to make it worth the initial investment for legal counsel. Are you still buying BFL debt? |
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Searching for an excuse in the newly changed BFL refund policy is very funny. You can't break the law just because you've written on your refund policy that you can break the law!
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It is high time BFL get scammer tag! |
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I'd have been amazed if the NSA/CIA/Whatever had NOT been spying, after all that is what they exist for. It would be naive to expect they wouldn't be recording things. So, NSA/CIA/Whatever exist to violate the US Constitution in every possible way? And people that think this is wrong are... naive? And you claim that you're in your right mind? It is amazing how all BFL sock puppets think about BFL customers in general. Greedy sheeple that have to be milked in every possible way. Why don't you show some imagination guys? Are you approved for your job after some beauty asshole contest? |
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Thats the fun thing about it, you can no more prove something doesn't exist than I can prove it does. You made a public statement you have attracted VC and when you're asked to prove what you claim you say the proof is that I can't prove you didn't... And you tell me this is not insane? |
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Being a private company (as opposed to a publicly listed one), what requirement is there that they say who their backers are? You say there aren't any backers, but provide zero proof of that too. Saying what you wish to be the case to justify your feelings towards them? LOL... How can I prove something doesn't exist? More or less it is the same argument ignorant people use to "prove" that God exists just because nobody proved he doesn't. You're not in your right mind, are you? |
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Who are BFL's investors? BFL claimed they have a Venture Capital firm backing them, but won't say from which VC firm. What they said is "It's a secret". It is a "secret" because there is none. BFL customers are investors without the rights investors have. |
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it is both doomed and not doomed at the same time. Yes, this is the correct answer. 512-qubit Quantum Computer acquired, is bitcoin doomed? Qubit Quantum Computer = Qubitcoin. |
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OK, seriously, how is BFL a "lethal danger" to Bitcoin? Assoles, sure, but a "lethal danger", no way. The output of Avalon (particularly the chip buys) and ASICMiner is going to quickly outstrip BFL's output, so even if they stopped shipping their units and attempted to 51% attack, that wouldn't go anywhere.
The voracious greed of those criminals is beyond any control. They'll mine with their customers' ASICs until difficulty is so high that 99% of their customers will never see a positive ROI on their Bitcoin investment. This will inevitably drive mining towards even bigger centralization. Ever increasing mining centralization is very bad. If you have centralized mining you have centralized Bitcoin. Nobody will care for centralized Bitcoin. Price will drop to zero. Simple as that. |
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Two more days to 1 year waiting.  It is too late to ask for a refund, yeah? |
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That was my initial thought as well, but I wanted to check if I had done something wrong first... Mods on this forum have been purchased by BFL long ago. Now BFL just blackmails them from time to time by holding evidence of their corruption. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.0 |
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This assclown we know as Josh,i'm totally convinced that he is a sociopath or border line to being one. Yep, BFL is a lethal danger to Bitcoin. They have too much power now and are totally corrupt liars. Those crooks must be stopped before ruining Bitcoin. It is not a coincidence that Litecoin is attracting more and more attention everyday. |
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He has left important parts out of the invoice shot for trolling purposes. No, sir. Everything is there. Maybe you can help and tell me what important parts were left out? |
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You are choosing to send your bitcoins at the time to settle a USD debt. Pardon me, but customers don't have any USD debt to BFL neither before they place their order nor after that. The limited validity of an invoice is something very common in commercial practice. Such a document is called Proforma Invoice. That means if a customer pays in time this Proforma Invoice AUTOMATICALLY becomes Invoice. You should really have more business experience if you decide to continue this discussion! |
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This is one of the reasons why the invoice is only valid for so long. Not really. If I pay in time I have a completely valid commercial document the validity of which is "forever". |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
That is not obvious. The obvious thing is to get a refund based on the price and not what currency you paid with. They were priced in USD, and thus any refund :=USD sum. Why do people close their eyes when they don't like to see the obvious? How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn't matter what is your price tag. It can be changed every second. What matters is the invoice! THE INVOICE IS THE COMMERCIAL DOCUMENT THAT IS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN A COURT OF LAW! And BFL invoice clearly shows that it is priced BOTH in BTC and USD!  It clearly states that the price is in dollars, but that you can pay with BTC. It clearly states that you have prices both in BTC and USD. I have deliberately used arrows to help BFL sock puppets and fanboys that close their eyes if they don't want to see the truth. All the text in any official document is equally important irrespective of the different fonts and sizes used. It clearly says "Pay this invoice. Send 97.9672 bitcoins to ..." |
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This is really one of the best trolls on this site. I love how he stays in-character at all times.
I love such arguments. This really shows your bag of arguments is empty. |
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Riiight, so you were just about to send to their bitcoin address when all of a sudden 5000 armed ninjas stormed into your house, grabbed your mouse and made you click the bitpay button, or did you manage to do it all by your big self?
Right, so if a company ABC instructs me on their invoice to pay to account 123456789 in bank XYZ they are not responsible for not delivering the purchase because I paid the bank instead of paying the company?!... Are you kidding? Do I have to have a contract with their bank to pay them? |
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Not really... Business works through contracts. BitPay is NOT turning my BTC into USD as I don't have any contractual relations with BitPay. BitPay is turning BFL's bitcoins into USD as BFL is a BitPay customer. It is completely up to BFL to decide what % of BTC received with BitPay they want converted into USD!
Derp! You have a contract with bitpay when you CHOOSE to pay with bitpay. Derp! I don't because it is the choice of BFL to use BitPay. My choice is to pay in BTC. |
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If you paid for your order with 50 BTC, you should get a refund of 50 BTC. If you paid with $1000 USD, you should get a refund of $1000 USD.
Seems pretty obvious to me?
That is not obvious. The obvious thing is to get a refund based on the price and not what currency you paid with. They were priced in USD, and thus any refund :=USD sum. Why do people close their eyes when they don't like to see the obvious? How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn't matter what is your price tag. It can be changed every second. What matters is the invoice! THE INVOICE IS THE COMMERCIAL DOCUMENT THAT IS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN A COURT OF LAW! And BFL invoice clearly shows that it is priced BOTH in BTC and USD!  |
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