HNS siguran teritorij SDP-a?! Pa, ne znam baš... Bernardić je uvijek izjavljivao da "koalicije sa strankom koja je izdala svoje birače - nema!"
Kao, vjerujemo onome što političari obećaju i kažu  Pa msm, HNS je zapravo i nebitan sa svojih 0.1%. Njegovi tradicionalni glasači će sada vjerovatno dati glas SDPu i to će biti do. 2-3 mandata i gg. |
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ja brijem da ce se dogoditi velika koalicija hadezeezdepe  Ma nema šanse. Politika im je ionako sve sličnija (EU dirigira pa nas se ionako previše ne pita) ali retorika je jednostavno ostala dijametralno suprotna. HDZ bi imao više šanse dobiti iduće izbore da nam plaća padne na 500 kuna nego da koalira s SDP-om. To bi im definitivno bio kraj i to je jedini potez kojeg nikad neće povući. Nadam se da izbore dobiva SDP, ne zato što mislim da su oni išta bolji već zato što mislim da je situacija nešto zrelija da iščupamo crkvine pandže iz državne kase a to HDZ sigurno neće raditi. Neće ni SDP jer bi došlo do opće bune. Čini mi se da takve "radikalnije" poteze obično mogu povući samo stranke koje "zastupaju" iste interese jer suprotni tabor nema dovoljno političke snage da ne izazove prosvjede. Ovu teoriju temeljim na tome što je HDZ uveo ćirilicu u Vukovar i legalizirao istospolne brakove (to SDP nikada ne bi uspio!) a SDP je smanjio koeficijent profesorima (HDZ to nikad ne bi uspio!) i na Merkelinom "demokršćanskom" CDU koji provodi stvari koje mislim da nijedna "lijeva" stranka ne bi mogla provesti. Takve promjene obično moraju doći iz "istog" tabora. Primjećujete da su se prosvjedi za te teme dogodile kad su suprotni tabori došli na vlast?  Mislim da nikakvi insideri nisu potrebni kako bi se znalo da su isti. Svi znamo da su im lideri politički uzgojeni u istoj stranci, što znači, da su birani jer imaju sličan mentalitet i način razmišljanja. Iako to dokazuju i zakoni koje donose, daleko, ali stvarno daleko bolji pokazatelj je način reagiranja u za njih kriznim situacijama. Tu ne mislim na ove krizne situacije u društvu ala poplava u Gunji i sl. već na situacije kad se njihov svijet počne tresti. Sranja u strankama itd. Oni su identični, kao jednojajčani blizanci.
Moj komentar je bio na pitanje da li HDZ i SDP mogu zajedno i da li ima šanse da uđu u veliku koaliciju. Naravno da mogu, jer su puno sličniji nego što većina ljudi misli. Nema tu ideoloških ili političkih razlika, više borba za vlast i fotelje a ako im na idućim izborima ''zasmetaju'' Živi Zid, Most i druge altenativne opcije, lako će se oni dogovoriti i podijeliti vlast ili fotelje a sve u ime nekakve političke stabilnosti i višeg nacionalnog interesa Jedino u čemu se mainstream te dvije stranke razlikuju je to što jedni prodaju maglu o antifašizmu, a drugi o Domovinskom ratu. Retorika 'mi cijenimo ovo, mi cijenimo ono' je različita, ali u stvarnim potezima je zapravo puno teže naći razliku nego sličnost. HSU se probio na 4. mjesto s potporom od 3 posto, baš kao i Most koji uživa jednaku potporu. Stranka Ivana Pernara dobila bi 2,3 posto potpore, a PAMETNO 2,1 posto. Živi zid odavno se bori da prijeđe izborni prag i sada može računati na potporu od 2 posto.
Hrvatski suverenisti trenutačno bi mogli dobiti 1,7 posto potpore, a GLAS 1,4 posto. HSS i tvit njegova predsjednika doveli su stranku na najniže granice popularnosti s potporom od 1,3 posto, a START klizi prema dolje i sada je na 1 posto. Ostale stranke imaju manje od 1 posto i zajedno osvajaju 2,9 posto.
Zanimljivo među tim je strankama IDS s 0,9 posto, ali i HNS s 0,1 posto potpore. Neodlučnih je 9,9 posto birača. Što se tiče izbora, izgledno je da Škoro,MOST i Hrvatski suverenisti nastupe zajedno pa bi taj blok pa anketama imao 21.3% glasova. HDZ nema prostora za koalicije. PAMETNO,GLAS, HSS, HNS, IDS su sigurno teritorij SDPa no nisam čuo nikakve razgovore o predizbornoj koaliciji zasad. Zajedno bi činili nekih 33%. Ipak je nerealno da se baš svi dogovore 7 manjina se vjerovatno priklanja onome koji bude mogao oformiti vlast, dijaspora 2 HDZ, 1 Škoro. HSU će biti bitan sa svojih 3%. |
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Znaci, bukvalno, imamo 3 puta vecu sansu da nas grom ubije nego terrorist. Tvoj strah za terorizam je znaci jako nelogican. Naravno, svaki smrt od terorizma je 1 pre vise. Ali jednostavno ne mozes sve risike u zivotu 100% ukloniti. Ako na taj nacin pocnemo razmisljati onda moramo znaci prestati koristiti bilo koji proizvod (500 x veca sansa umreti od njih), prestati baviti se sa sportom (1000 x) i ne sudjelovati u saobracaju (4000 x).
Mislio sam na primjer za ovo Ali postoji i drugi nacini obezbediti sigurnost. Inače što se tiče posta, fokusirao si se na terorizam. Terorizam je samo jedna od stvari koju uvozimo sa imigrantima. No, osvrnuti ću se i na to. Ako pretpostavimo isti mortalitet bolesti 90ih kao i 2018. Više ljudi je stradalo u ratno vrijeme od ishemijskih bolesti srca, cerebrovaskularnih bolesti, rak bronha i pluća te šećerne bolest nego od rata (13 583 ljudi). Znači li to da je u to vrijeme trebalo posvetiti veću pažnju dijabetesu nego obrani? Pored toga upravo upadas u klopku terorista. Zbog totalno nelogicnog straha (terror!) si spreman svoje i tudje slobode da zrtvujes! Koje su to slobode koje bih žrtvovao? Jako sam protiv žrtvovanja temeljnih sloboda za bilo što. Inače, već sam ranije naveo druge probleme koje donose imigranti. Najveća briga je kako će se ljudi koji ovako razmišljaju https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2013/04/gsi2-overview-1.pnghttps://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2010/12/2010-muslim-01-13.pngponašati prema nevjernicima kada postanu većina u našim zemljama i trebamo li to dopustiti? Druge stvari koje se događaju su https://imgur.com/Ajl2a5uNa 100 000 Njemaca 34.1 silovanje, Balkan 37.4, Alžiraca 694, Gambijanca 407, azilanata 397.7. https://web.archive.org/web/20170623164138im_/https://www.fischundfleisch.com/img/33501/684-/Gewaltkriminalit%C3%A4t.pngNasilni zločin na 100 000 stanovnika Njemci 153 Azilanti 2313 68.3% koristi cash welfare, 91.4% koristi food stamps https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/orr/orr_annual_report_to_congress_fy_2014_signed.pdfStatistics from the Federal Labour Agency show the employment rate among refugees stands at just 17 per cent.
Of those, 178,500 are officially unemployed, meaning they not only have no work but are not enrolled in any training programmes or language courses — up 27 per cent on last July |
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Pitali su na Discordu što bismo željeli vidjeti, kažu da imaju nekakav revidiran plan za igru. Bilo je par ok prijedloga, kao, izbaciti će ideju tog plana ubrzo da prokomentiramo.
Već su to 3 puta rekli, nisam ni sam siguran koliko oni sami zapravo mogu to popraviti. Svejedno nekako mislim da ovo može biti super igrica za razbibrigu.
Niš, upalit Diamond kup svaki dan i nadat se najboljem.
Ma nema ništa od toga sve dok ne pronađu nekog investitora koji bi platio još nekoliko developera. Bez nekog ozbiljnog razvoja (a dva developera ne mogu biti ozbiljan razvoj) ne vidim neku budućnost. Pogotovo ako su ta dva developera cijeli tim iza igre. Treba tu biti još ljudi koji bi pomogli da igra (kad bude spremna; sad to definitivno nije) dođe do što više ljudi. Da su stavili F kao token i neki ICO, bilo bi novaca za developere, a i za marketing.. Ma stvarno sumnjam. Čak i najboljim projektima se više ne vjeruje kad rade ICO. Barem im ja ne vjerujem. Jednostavno je previše ICO prijevara bilo u zadnjih godinu-dvije. Da su stavili F kao token i neki ICO, bilo bi novaca za developere, a i za marketing..
A ne možeš, F-token se generira igranjem. Da bi igra mogla imati eksponencijalni rast, supply tokena mora biti neograničen. U takvoj situaciji nitko normalan ne bi kupio token. Dobro, da, istina. Nisam uopće promislio taj reply, no neki tip dionica koje bi dobile dio profita ne bi bio loš s obzirom na to da je potrebno skupiti novac za daljni razvoj. |
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Pitali su na Discordu što bismo željeli vidjeti, kažu da imaju nekakav revidiran plan za igru. Bilo je par ok prijedloga, kao, izbaciti će ideju tog plana ubrzo da prokomentiramo.
Već su to 3 puta rekli, nisam ni sam siguran koliko oni sami zapravo mogu to popraviti. Svejedno nekako mislim da ovo može biti super igrica za razbibrigu.
Niš, upalit Diamond kup svaki dan i nadat se najboljem.
Ma nema ništa od toga sve dok ne pronađu nekog investitora koji bi platio još nekoliko developera. Bez nekog ozbiljnog razvoja (a dva developera ne mogu biti ozbiljan razvoj) ne vidim neku budućnost. Pogotovo ako su ta dva developera cijeli tim iza igre. Treba tu biti još ljudi koji bi pomogli da igra (kad bude spremna; sad to definitivno nije) dođe do što više ljudi. Da su stavili F kao token i neki ICO za njega, bilo bi novaca za developere, a i za marketing.. |
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^ apparently it is OK to advertise "bitconnect" for people who can be trusted with funds This is contradictory to all the statements I made. Even the one you quoted. Let me make this clear so my words aren't twisted again.
Having ponzis in your signature is bad and shouldn't be done. My take was that people who participated in the campaign are not hish-risk and tagging them is abuse of the trust system. |
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Nitko ne igra ovaj sorare? Vidim da su službeno licencirani sa 32 kluba, mada nema nigdje ni threada ni foruma ni ništo gdje bih mogao vidjeti kakav je interes za stranicu. Mada da nema ovog threada ne bi bilo ni za FootBattle. Selim u neku drugu diviziju 4. jer vidim da me ovdje čeka sigurno 20. mjesto. Tek sam kupio prvog elita |
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No new spots will be filled for now, i'll keep everyone informed if we do have any openings.
You should update the subject title since it says (open). If any spots open up, feel free to hit me up. |
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Kako se određuje to "Bigger opponent" i "Smaller opponent", prema navijačima?
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We are going way too deep into this and sidetracking from the topic, but I believe it was fruitful (based on your elaboration, which completely changes what I was arguing against). Furthermore, I'm quite appalled by anyone who wants to use "there was this one instance where I held a lot of money and didn't steal it, so how dare you accuse me of ever possibly scamming or being untrustworthy after". I believe this is a display of fundamentally compromised or flawed judgement. Many other members could do so (including me), but there's a very good reason why it isn't being done! One instance? A simple look at my trust rating will find a continous trading history with people risking a lot of money with me. Some of the larger ones would be carsen who entrusted me with 4 BTC and Torcoin with 1 BTC. There are so many reversable PayPal deals over 500$ a piece which stack up at least a BTC if you want to scam under the 180 day chargeback period. Even that instance isn't "there is one instance where I held a lot of money" isn't correct. Since it wasn't one time. It is continual management. I managed the depository for 4 years continually. The value of it changed with XMR value from 70k-1m. I think it was never worth less than 50k. Also consider some of these I listed overlapped in the same periods, and add smaller deals done in the same time. Any of the listed things had no other escrow, lockbox, collateral or anyone else involved. Every coin was in my complete control, and I was the only one who had the private keys. |
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Because theymos believes in freedom of speech. I would never personally promote such a scheme. There's not a chance in the world. -- I'm going to conclude with this and I'm out of this thread. The thing about signature campaigns is that people know they're advertisement space and they're not personal promotion you're trying to make it out to be. People having signatures in their profile doesn't make anyone think they personally promote them. I'm going to repeat this and leave Let me make this clear so my words aren't twisted again.
Having ponzis in your signature is bad and shouldn't be done.
But it's still not a crime and worthy of a tag. |
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Nobody sane is going to give you credit for having the opportunity to steal and not stealing. Most humans have countless opportunities to steal every day. Please stop quoting this about yourself, because eventually it will be seen in the wrong light. This is not credit. It's common sense! If you think the trust system is fucked because of this A joke.
<This dude that controlled like a million dollars alone at once without scamming thinks people shouldn't be negged for participating in signature campaigns
< Yeah, dude, our trust system is totally fucked!
There's something seriously wrong with the trust system but it's not what you think. Right so let me get this:
1) I clicked the link on your signature because it promised me money.
2) I invested money under this 10% daily promise.
3) Because this is a scam ponzi, I lost all my money.
There's no crime, right? You are not directly responsibly for me landing on the website, right? I gave you the option to visit the website. Visiting websites is not a crime. Let me make this clear so my words aren't twisted again. Having ponzis in your signature is bad and shouldn't be done. But it's still not a crime and worthy of a tag. |
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A joke.
<This dude that controlled like a million dollars alone at once without scamming thinks people shouldn't be negged for participating in signature campaigns
< Yeah, dude, our trust system is totally fucked!
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I luvbitcoins has already shifted the blame from scammer to victim because victims should apply due-diligence. Like this? The only one to blame is YoBit In other words: You don't care about justice, nor do you give a single fork about any past or potential future victims. Also, even the legal system does not side with you on this one.
My view of "justice" is that you actually have to do something harmful to be a criminal. Participating in a signature campaign is not a crime. Having users with the mindeset of iluvbitcoins clearly shows there is a flaw in the trust system. I am and always will be more trustworthy than you and most of these people replying here are. |
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Is it allowed on the forum
You tell me. is it publicly disclosed that this is a requirement?
Yes. Yes, now hypothetical guilt.
I'm just trying to gauge how much personal responsibility and due diligence iluvbitcoins considers acceptable. It looks like 0 so far. I'm not going to research this now. I assume it isn't? The answer is simple, if it's allowed and publicly disclosed - yes. If it's not allowed - obviously not. If it's allowed but not publicly disclosed - also no, because it's devious and makes it seem as there's more interest in the website than it actually is. |
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If the signature campaign asks you to post in the Yobit thread, is that still ok? I guess that would be okay unless theymos says that's forbidden. Let me clarify - if Yobit told you that in order to get paid you have to post in some Yobit thread on Bitcointalk, would you have done that? Is it allowed on the forum and is it publicly disclosed that this is a requirement? If the signature campaign asks you to post in the Yobit thread, is that still ok? I guess that would be okay unless theymos says that's forbidden. Let me clarify - if Yobit told you that in order to get paid you have to post in some Yobit thread on Bitcointalk, would you have done that? Yes, now hypothetical guilt. I chuckled |
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I didn't research into YoBit at all because I have believed it's not my job to do so for reasons I outlined above. I had no idea YoBit campaign was ending. It now looks like you're willing to promote anything that pays you, without checking what it is and without keeping track of the campaign thread. That's disappointing for a green trusted Legendary member to say the least. -I didn't check and keep track -I'm willing to promote anything that pays me If I didn't know and I'm willing to promote anything that pays me I would keep posting. Pick one. I didn't research into YoBit at all because I have believed it's not my job to do so for reasons I outlined above. I had no idea YoBit campaign was ending. It now looks like you're willing to promote anything that pays you, without checking what it is and without keeping track of the campaign thread. That's disappointing for a green trusted Legendary member to say the least. You could have realized this before by reading between the lines. Latest being, "innocent posters getting tags". I guess the next step is that we blame victims for being scammed, like Visipilio tried to or whatever went on there. The only one to blame is YoBit and certainly not the people who participated in the signature campaign. |
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I had no idea YoBit campaign was ending. And we've been through this before. Selling advertisement space is not the same as promoting a website. I don't get the point of discussing all this when you were warned at first and allowed a day to stop promoting X10 banner. It is obvious that people who went there seeing your signature would definitely not be the ones who were aware about Yobit's investbox scam. And about X10, did you see that it just exhausted completely and there are no buyers for it even at 1 sat now? I have also seen fake volumes and not just that, there were some players in their dice area who make bets of BTC0.5, BTC0.7 and such big bets without proof that the bets were provably fair, you can't even see your bets available anywhere on the site and I've never seen my old bets' logs. The usernames remain similar each day and they look to be their own members or bots no matter what, but I don't know how Yobit is managing to have its exchange up and running even after having no proof of coins popping up through their ICO/IEO but there are still people who trust them and I don't know the base that's making them believe that Yobit is not scamming/will not scam.
I couldn't give more fucks about YoBit. What I do care about is innocent posters getting red tags. Most have probably never encountered threads about this website at all. Nor did they know how YoBit operates or what an InvestBox was.
Where do you draw the line? If the campaign puts a malware link into the signature, is that still ok? If the signature campaign asks you to post in the Yobit thread, is that still ok? BTW there was a lively debate about X10 in the signature campaign thread. That's where Yobit requested to change the signature, that's where yahoo said he was going to ask for a change, etc. If you're that ignorant then you probably shouldn't be in a signature campaign to begin with. Ofcourse it isn't. A malware removes your free will. It can steal from you, spy on you or take control of your computer. You know what doesn't remove your free will? Malware free websites No one can force you to invest in something. You choose what to do.As I said, people should remove YoBits signature. They really should. It's not cool. It's inflationary bullshit that shouldn't be advertised. But I find using using the trust system against them is much more harmful. If the signature campaign asks you to post in the Yobit thread, is that still ok? I guess that would be okay unless theymos says that's forbidden. |
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All I can gather is iluvbitcoins says that the trust system is for trade only and not for scams even though its has been pointed out that is not the case entirely How many times do I have to correct misconstrued statements? It is for scams! But the facts are important. After all, trade and scams go hand in hand. Wearing a paid signature from a website some users later on deemed a scam is not scammy behaviour. If you wear a signature, you didn't scam anyone nor did you have intention to scam. Most have probably never encountered threads about this website at all. Nor did they know how YoBit operates or what an InvestBox was. To be a scammer - you have to scam someone. That is precisely the point. The view held by iluvbitcoins has been stated in the now deleted post but I had replied it before it was deleted where they stated: "Participating in signature campaigns, even if they are ponzis can never be equivalent to scamming.": It wasn't deleted. The post is there. For some reason I tend the make a post even though it displays "New replies" and then I continue to edit my reply to respond to new posts and embellish what I previously wrote. |
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